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Vox: Why we say “OK”.

ChaosEngine says...

From my understanding the whole point of rhyming slang was obfuscation.

The idea was to be able to communicate in plain sight while "outsiders" (police, upper class, etc) missed the true intent, although this mostly speculation.

MilkmanDan said:

Great sift, I find that kind of stuff massively interesting.

Reminds me of Cockney rhyming slang, which seems like a completely counterproductive layer of complexity impeding the basic intent of communication. But I imagine that given the right circumstances, some Cockney rhyming slang phrase could take off and go global...

Donald and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad ...

Mordhaus says...

I'm not a professional debater, everything I have said has been my honest point of view, and at least I have been fairly civil during our discourse.

In almost every post, you accuse me of trying to spread falsehoods, make claims about my intelligence, and generally come off as accusatory towards me as a person. Like I said, I don't do this professionally and I never took debate in school, so perhaps this is what people do when they are discussing an issue they disagree upon. I simply do not know.

Perhaps I should have referred to encouraged instead of forced, I do not believe they were encouraged specifically to come here. If they had access to a similar country, with a similar standard of living, and with a porous border they might have went there. Again, I don't know.

Yes, businesses in the United States took advantage of their labor to make more profits. How is that my fault? I don't own a business, I don't employ illegals, and I am a common middle class citizen. I can't pick and choose where I shop, where I eat, or other daily lifestyle choices based off of what people businesses are hiring. I am comfortable in my savings, but only the truly upper class elite can try to spend extraordinary amounts of their discretionary income to avoid getting products sourced from places they might disagree with. The sad thing is, at least in my experience, is that those people are far more likely to directly exploit the labor of illegals as nannies, builders, or lawnscapers.

In any case, as I mentioned earlier, I respect your opinions even if I don't share them. Have a wonderful weekend.

Drachen_Jager said:

You're extremely disingenuous, you drift into logical fallacies regularly (and apparently by accident). If you're not going to address the meat of the issue honestly, there's just no point.

Nobody ever said they were "forced" this is called the "straw man" fallacy.

American business took advantage of their labor, YOU took advantage of their labor, now that you're done, you just want to throw them away.

I do agree on one point though, there is no further point in debating with you.

Someone needs to explain this Far Side comic to me (Blog Entry by Sarzy)

Nrossy says...

The actual joke is the fact that you could find a nice bowl of fruit in a normal upper class home, but this man appears to be a brutish, rugged, cave man like human. To accompany this, instead of a bowl of fruit, he eats a barbaric bowl of meat. Hisnhouse isnbatteed and rough just like him. It's a subtle joke

Bill Maher: New Rule – Capitalism Eats Everything

newtboy says...

I thought he missed the point that it's in the best interests of those at the top for the bottom to be higher. They don't want to be carjacked, robbed, kidnapped, etc by people who have no other option to survive, so it behooves them to pay workers enough that that is not the foreseeable outcome.

Also, he forgot to mention the late 1700's uprising/revolution in France where the working class DID rise up and attack the upper class violently, killing many. THAT is some history that needs to be mentioned time and time again, both as a warning if "fairness" isn't returned to the system at least enough to allow full time workers to survive without resorting to crime or working tirelessly over 100 hours per week, and as a reminder of what has worked to solve that inequality problem in the past.
It wouldn't take too many 1%ers being murdered in front of their families and force fed to them before things changed....hopefully for the better, but certainly change of some kind would happen. I hope it doesn't come to that....unless there's no other option, then a few 1%ers murdered is much better than thousands of poor starving or otherwise being indigent to death.

Socialism explained

shagen454 says...

I always find it bewildering that the majority of republicans don't even have that much money but they tow the party line; while the staunch uber-wealthy hate taxes as if they hate US democracy.

The thing is, the uber-wealthy are the ones that have made 1000%+ wealth gains for decades while wages have remained stagnant for the rest. They are the ones that own businesses and have perpetuated this warfare. If they paid *a little more tax* they wouldn't even feel it. But, for the working class a two dollar raise is fucking huge. The system we have needs more regulation, more services, more taxes in order to create checks & balances and to be put on track for more equal standards of middle-class living (you know the class the upper class has all but wiped out with their disgusting satan-esque greed with a Martha Stewart twist) for a vaster amount of the populace.

woman destroys third wave feminism in 3 minutes

Jinx says...

What I understand as third wave feminism is that it is a sort of counter-movement to 2nd wave feminism. A typical third wave feminist position might be that previous feminist movements were principally concerned with white, middle/upper class straight women. So yah, I question your decision to use "3rd wave feminism" as a proxy for "misandrists".

enoch said:

@Jinx
this is why i specifically titled this "third wave",which i am fairly new in understanding,but it does not resemble the feminism that i have been exposed to.

i have many feminist friends who resemble nothing like this "third wave" of feminism.the deeper i delve the more fanatical and zealous i find their positions.

the feminists i know do not hate men.
do not seek to subvert them or marginalize them.
they seek for equality,for human dignity,for a right to be/choose who they wish to be,and they extend that to men as well.

which is very much a humanist approach.

but THIS flavor of feminism is a whole new animal.

if you own a penis,
you are evil.

The Onion Looks Back At 'Back To The Future'

poolcleaner says...

Back to the Future.

Married with Children.

The Simpsons.

Ferris Buehler's anarchist ideology towards his and Cameron's upper class parents. Handing over the car keys to the lower class joy riders.

The Goonies going on adventures to prevent a golf course from overtaking their upper class lifestyle.

Was Mikey about to become middle class?! Holy shit. The Goonies is about retaining your social position in order to fund misadventure. And the rise of the middle class Hispanic family! i.e. Rosalita discovering the jewels in the marble bag.

Everything from the '80s involving a family was about -- Anyone? Anyone? -- Voodoo Economics.

dag said:

Quote hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

That's actually a pretty solid take on it for the Onion. As usual, it's funny because it's true. *promote

debunking the 4 biggest lies about immigrants

bobknight33 says...

Yet more Bullshit from the left. *lies

Any immigrant having a job is one less for an American.

5 workers in 1990 now 3 to sustain 1retiree. So we need to allow immigrants to be my sugar daddy when I retire. Only the left would come up with this excuse of Pimping of immigrants.

Immigrants ARE a drain on public budgets 11Billion in generated taxes is jack squat to what we spend on taking care of them.

ABC news indicated...
"The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year. "

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317

"The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year. "


Another report indicates $346 Billion per year.
http://www.rense.com/general81/dtli.htm


Net rates of immigration has fallen 10% . Yep the shitty economy will do that.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/24/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/



He is right the game is rigged at the top. The rich want cheep labor and tha is not you. So yes immigrants are taking your job.


Sure today they might have a low skill job today but their children will grow up and take a good middle / upper class job which use to be yours or you childs.

Second Cheapest Wine

Asmo says...

Used to be (might still be) a brand in Aus called Matthew Lang which made a range of 5 buck a bottle liqueur muscats and ports. I've tasted much more expensive drops, but Lang was still one of the best, and at 22 y/o, goon and coon* (wine and cheese) nights were tres affordable and a great way to impress equally under funded mid 90's upper class wannabes... =)

*Fyi for American's, Coon is an Aus brand of cheese not known for quality, and yes, it has prompted some racism complaints. ; )

Texas cop busts a pool party picking on the black teens

Mordhaus says...

First off, the city is already a powder-keg over segregationist tactics that were employed by the predominantly white city government to prevent affordable housing for lower income residents in the affluent parts of town.

http://www.ibtimes.com/mckinney-north-texas-city-center-pool-party-video-controversy-was-sued-over-housing-1955995

Now, the pool was in a upper crust luxury community and to celebrate the end of the school year, quite a few non-whites obtained passes to the pool. It was not until a bunch of the adult white residents of the community started calling in reports of fights and trespassing (people without passes).

These same nice white folk made the visitors feel wanted by throwing out racist comments "Several adults told the black teens to go back to their “Section 8 [public] housing” developments."

Now, the white kid who took the video, and who was not thrown to the ground by the police (he said they basically ignored him), said that most of the kids had passes and that the problems began before the few people who did not have passes showed up.

“I think a bunch of white parents were angry that a bunch of black kids who don’t live in the neighborhood were in the pool,” said Brooks, who is white.

Grace Stone, a white 14-year-old, told BuzzFeed News that when she and her friends objected to the racist comments about public housing an adult woman then became violent.

So the story is pretty much that a bunch of upper class white folks didn't like the 'darkies' getting uppity and brought the cops in. Everyone except the guy in the blue hat was released after being 'put in their place' by the cops for a while. Blue hat guy went to jail on charges of interference and evading arrest.

On Sunday afternoon, a sign left at the pool thanked McKinney police “for keeping us safe.” Because, as we all know, ethnic teens are the root of all evil and could hurt us white folks!

I doubt the cop loses his job, but he fucking should. Pulling a gun on unarmed teens is ludicrous. Putting your full weight on the back of a teen girl half your size and resting there for minutes is uncalled for. The jackass was PISSED that he tripped while chasing kids and felt he needed to get his own back.

As far as the community, they don't mind taking money from rich black folks to build a sports center, but don't let those uppity blacks think they can hang out there.

*promote

Racism in the United States: By the Numbers

bobknight33 says...

That fact of the matter is racism will change when they stop allowing themselves being at the bottom of the social pile and educate themselves into middle / upper class.

Another way of saying it:
If you want to stay dumb and poor and do nothing about you situation and live in high crime area what do you expect.? People will always think less of you.

Authorities Seize Family Home Over $40-Worth of Drugs

VoodooV says...

so many components to this video. Trance's arguments may be worthless, but the video itself is great.

you have the class aspect. Here we are shown this nice upper class home of a hardworking man (which alone opens up the sub-argument of whether or not he really does work hard or does he just reap the benefits of his employees' work,) and we're supposed to feel bad because the police confiscated their house over something relatively trivial. Would you care if it was a lower class home? middle class? or would you just assume the lower class family are probably guilty and deserve it?

Then you got the whole war on drugs component, which is even more nuanced because heroin is a nasty drug which I would agree should remain illegal. But then weigh that against the idea that it was a trivial amount of heroin. Would you feel bad for the family if the son wasn't small time and had a couple grand worth in the house? how about a 100 grand? a million?

All completely separate from the police abuse and corruption issue that's already been discussed. This video is crazy dense with issues that need to be addressed

Ad for Bitcoin that is actually an ad for Amex

charliem says...

Banks are few and far between outside the middle / upper class areas of the states (spent 2 and a bit months driving around it over new years with some mates), its not like here in aus.

For some, it means driving for a few hours just to get to a bank branch. They have to rely instead on cheques, because they cant give their employers a bank account number to pay into....and to cash those cheques costs money...its such a sad state.

RedSky said:

Maybe I'm uninformed here, but are they saying they're not able to open a debit account? Surely that's a zero risk proposition for any bank (if overdraws are restricted), it's just pure interest for them on anything you keep in there (minus any interest you receive).

Or is it different in the US with your reliance on checks? Even if that's the case, surely checking could just be restricted, leaving you with either cash withdraws or paying by card, with instant electronic verification.

As to transaction fees. Over here in Oz, most transaction and saving accounts are monthly fee free. This is pretty new (as recently as several years ago you'd have a $5-10 monthly fee). Wonder if it's different in the states.

If they're not able to secure a loan, that's a different issue entirely. I don't see how an alternative banking system would help there.

Change The Way You Look At Boobs

entr0py says...

That's true, if the measurement is "what size breasts do the partners of wealthy men have" then it's an easy conclusion. Wealthy women weigh less due to lifestyle and diet, and breast size is influenced by weight more than anything else.

But if they controlled for all the other variables and presented men with attractive upper class women who only differ in breast size (like even using same models with and without falsies), the preference might be reversed.

I think I need to go in and clean up the field of titty research, clearly I'm needed.

MilkmanDan said:

"Financially stable men prefer smaller breasts"

...that is one odd choice for a graph axis in this data set (financial stability, not breast size preference). They also need to clarify precisely what they mean. I assume that, on average, men with higher incomes would designate an "ideal/preferred breast size" smaller than that of men with lower incomes. I'd assume that there is an asymptotic minimum (in the b-cup range?); I doubt that 1%ers collectively prefer entirely flat-chested women.

But hey, whatever floats your (motor)boat.

How Inequality Was Created

oritteropo says...

Revolutions aren't usually about the poor, usually it's either the middle class overthrowing the upper class, or infighting amongst the upper class.

Both Gandhi and Robespierre started out as middle class lawyers for instance.

StukaFox said:

The fact the gutters aren't running with blood over this continues to amaze me.



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