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We're not perfect and as was mentioned this is a gray area. There are reasons given in each individual post why the examples you cited were included. Also, we've been around for six years - our culture is a living thing and evolving. With six years worth of video content you are going to find things that support or condemn your position.

We try for consistency and we try to follow the guidelines but citing precedence is my least favourite way of supporting a position on VideoSift. You'll always be able to cherry pick - and it sounds a little too much like "why are you picking on me?"

>> ^Porksandwich:

>> ^lucky760:
>> ^Boise_Lib:
I'm very glad that the community that I choose to associate with doesn't approve of watching people die.

That's a very nice sentiment and one that I share with you. I have always appreciated that every time I open a horrific video here, there's comfort in being able to presume that as disturbing as it may be, the people involved all survived. This is something many people take for granted or just don't care about, but it's something I value highly about VideoSift.

Well I'd just like to point out that a number of the videos I linked in a previous post, near all if not all of them depict(ed) scenes where people were dieing. Many if you follow them to their source have stories about how many died in the accident/event being shown in the video. I do not think the shuttle or WTC footage should be removed, but it does show scenes were people did not survive. And the building burning shows the fire that ended up killing 100+ people when it was all over.
Beyond the clear newsworthy events (WTC, Space Shuttle) what makes the other videos suitable? The soldiers peeing on corpses is much more graphic and in your face with the death aspect than this video is, since you can see the act happening with the corpses (hopefully dead at this point...hopefully) in view of the camera.
I just want some kind of acknowledgement that putting a news reporter before this video would not change the content of the video. Or a ticker bar at the bottom.....or a watermark in the video......the contents and happenings of the video would remain the same.
I see the plane crash video I linked to as exactly like this video. The person flying either had a hardware failure or mistake that caused him to nose dive into the ground. You know he died either on impact or shortly after. The only difference is one is a plane and one is a car. I know we can all put ourselves in the driver's seat of a car, but we can set ourselves apart from piloting due to lack of experience. This may account for the notation on this video, I want to identify whatever it is that this video has that set it apart from the others.
The police shootings are in the same scenario, but most us aren't cops. But most of them show poor choices that led up to it, and maybe we feel we wouldn't make those choices as a rational person...so the video is OK because it demonstrates a level of behavior that will result in your death that none of us feel we will reach. A car crash accident is not left up to willful choice in most cases.

>> ^lucky760:

>> ^Boise_Lib:
I'm very glad that the community that I choose to associate with doesn't approve of watching people die.

That's a very nice sentiment and one that I share with you. I have always appreciated that every time I open a horrific video here, there's comfort in being able to presume that as disturbing as it may be, the people involved all survived. This is something many people take for granted or just don't care about, but it's something I value highly about VideoSift.


Well I'd just like to point out that a number of the videos I linked in a previous post, near all if not all of them depict(ed) scenes where people were dieing. Many if you follow them to their source have stories about how many died in the accident/event being shown in the video. I do not think the shuttle or WTC footage should be removed, but it does show scenes were people did not survive. And the building burning shows the fire that ended up killing 100+ people when it was all over.

Beyond the clear newsworthy events (WTC, Space Shuttle) what makes the other videos suitable? The soldiers peeing on corpses is much more graphic and in your face with the death aspect than this video is, since you can see the act happening with the corpses (hopefully dead at this point...hopefully) in view of the camera.

I just want some kind of acknowledgement that putting a news reporter before this video would not change the content of the video. Or a ticker bar at the bottom.....or a watermark in the video......the contents and happenings of the video would remain the same.

I see the plane crash video I linked to as exactly like this video. The person flying either had a hardware failure or mistake that caused him to nose dive into the ground. You know he died either on impact or shortly after. The only difference is one is a plane and one is a car. I know we can all put ourselves in the driver's seat of a car, but we can set ourselves apart from piloting due to lack of experience. This may account for the notation on this video, I want to identify whatever it is that this video has that set it apart from the others.

The police shootings are in the same scenario, but most us aren't cops. But most of them show poor choices that led up to it, and maybe we feel we wouldn't make those choices as a rational person...so the video is OK because it demonstrates a level of behavior that will result in your death that none of us feel we will reach. A car crash accident is not left up to willful choice in most cases.

I'm with darkhand on this one. Jaywalking is a really minor violation to get arrested for or get a ticker over, but they were both clearly being physical and confrontational.

>> ^Hybrid:

1. Make it so I can choose a custom thumbnail in the actual submission page. I would be happy with just this!
2. Ditch the Top 10 Lounge Lizards box from the front page. Not all member ranks can access the lounge anyway.
3. Remove the "login with facebook" button from the top of the page, and put that onto the member login page directly. So a user either logs in with facebook or their username & password. That seems to be the standard way of doing things.
4. Clean up all the social networking integrations/icons/text about the place. A generic "social networking" panel on the right of the page (perhaps replacing the Top 10 lounge lizards box), might be a cleaner way of doing things.
5. A dynamic ticker bar for the top of site, viewable on most pages. Cycles recent "news items" and by that I mean: Videos hitting #1, videos going Top 15, members ranking up, new sift talk posts, new blog posts. Maybe even badge awards (though that might be a lot of news items to cycle).... When news items are low it could generate informal ones like "@dag is only 3 sifts away from getting their crown. Click here to look at their pqueue" etc. I actually had a similar idea for just publicising member rankings before: http://videosift.com/talk/Publicize-member-rank-increases
6. Auto-generated sift talk posts by Siftbot when a member reaches gold or above? Could be a nice way to make sure people don't go unnoticed when they rank up? Though I am aware that there have been some great custom, new rank sift talk posts in the past, so it would lose that aspect.
7. A page (similar to the no thumbs page), that has all the videos that have had dupeof called on them, but are awaiting the second isdupe invocation. Also, I think we do need a notdupe invocation to cancel out bad dupeof calls, before someone randomly calls isdupe without proper checking.
8. Ditch Beggar's Canyon.
9. Server load permitting I guess, but open up the lounge to all non-probie ranks.
10. The ability to transfer powerpoints to another member. I know, strange request, but it'd be nice to have this for those times when members want to reward another for helping them out with finding a video or something.


And this from the guy who just wants custom thumbnails

I love #6 too. It's such a shame we don't seem to make such a celebration of people's milestones like we used to. I really don't think the community is any less inclined, just that we've got lax about it.

1. Make it so I can choose a custom thumbnail in the actual submission page. I would be happy with just this!

2. Ditch the Top 10 Lounge Lizards box from the front page. Not all member ranks can access the lounge anyway.

3. Remove the "login with facebook" button from the top of the page, and put that onto the member login page directly. So a user either logs in with facebook or their username & password. That seems to be the standard way of doing things.

4. Clean up all the social networking integrations/icons/text about the place. A generic "social networking" panel on the right of the page (perhaps replacing the Top 10 lounge lizards box), might be a cleaner way of doing things.

5. A dynamic ticker bar for the top of site, viewable on most pages. Cycles recent "news items" and by that I mean: Videos hitting #1, videos going Top 15, members ranking up, new sift talk posts, new blog posts. Maybe even badge awards (though that might be a lot of news items to cycle).... When news items are low it could generate informal ones like "@dag is only 3 sifts away from getting their crown. Click here to look at their pqueue" etc. I actually had a similar idea for just publicising member rankings before: http://videosift.com/talk/Publicize-member-rank-increases

6. Auto-generated sift talk posts by Siftbot when a member reaches gold or above? Could be a nice way to make sure people don't go unnoticed when they rank up? Though I am aware that there have been some great custom, new rank sift talk posts in the past, so it would lose that aspect.

7. A page (similar to the no thumbs page), that has all the videos that have had dupeof called on them, but are awaiting the second isdupe invocation. Also, I think we do need a *notdupe invocation to cancel out bad dupeof calls, before someone randomly calls *isdupe without proper checking.

8. Ditch Beggar's Canyon.

9. Server load permitting I guess, but open up the lounge to all non-probie ranks.

10. The ability to transfer powerpoints to another member. I know, strange request, but it'd be nice to have this for those times when members want to reward another for helping them out with finding a video or something.

From what I read he just wanted to use his wealth to invest in the local economy and as a bit of a PR stunt for his chain of Sushi restaurants.

Bloomberg's coverage of it was good: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-06/the-sushi-auction-that-cheered-japan-the-ticker.html

I mostly just question the ethics of using the fishing of an endangered fish for consumption as a PR move, but Japan feels differently about some things than other parts of the world and that's their right.

Either way, if you ever find yourself in Japan, definitely swing by the Tsukiji fish market where the sale of this fish took place. The market itself is a crazy sight to behold, there's nothing else like it in the world.

>> ^srd:

Off topic: Whats up with the tinkerbell powered status updates and tickers at the bottom? Is that now standard in US tv? Them stealing screen real estate is annoying enough, but with all the tinkles its more annoying than ever.


MSNBC, yeah it sucks.

Off topic: Whats up with the tinkerbell powered status updates and tickers at the bottom? Is that now standard in US tv? Them stealing screen real estate is annoying enough, but with all the tinkles its more annoying than ever.

@Boise_Lib left off a crucial bit on the written dupe guidelines. The last line:

"If a duplicate cannot adequately be considered an exact or reasonable replacement of the original, it should be * discarded."

So when the shorter vid was noted as being a dupe according to the mathematical guidelines (very very specific), then the "duping" poster "had" to discard their own video.

Poor @lucky760. So sick of dupe conversations.

My frustration is that we had a sift poll. 33-8.
http://videosift.com/poll/What-is-a-dupe Clear consensus, massively one-sided vote. And it was ignored in favor of mathematical precision, which hasn't helped.

It's just videos. It's just videos. It's just videos. My mantra.



>> ^JiggaJonson:

Yeah @bareboards2 @gwiz665 it's kind of my fault b/c I should have actually watched the other video, but then I complained to @Boise_Lib who initially marked it a dupe. He had the following to say:
"I just went by the FAQ:
If a newer submission's video is a clip of content found within an existing post, it will be considered a duplicate unless it meets both these criteria:
The original post is at least 15 minutes in length
The original post is at least 3 times longer than the clip"
So I can't blame him either, but I already communicated to him, and I think to lucky, that I'm going to make a poll about changing the dupe rules in teh FAQ once his powerpoint ticker poll is down, so we can hopefully straighten this out.
p.s. my clip was awesome'r and had a bitchin'r title.

Yeah @bareboards2 @gwiz665 it's kind of my fault b/c I should have actually watched the other video, but then I complained to @Boise_Lib who initially marked it a dupe. He had the following to say:

"I just went by the FAQ:
If a newer submission's video is a clip of content found within an existing post, it will be considered a duplicate unless it meets both these criteria:

The original post is at least 15 minutes in length
The original post is at least 3 times longer than the clip"

So I can't blame him either, but I already communicated to him, and I think to lucky, that I'm going to make a poll about changing the dupe rules in teh FAQ once his powerpoint ticker poll is down, so we can hopefully straighten this out.

p.s. my clip was awesome'r and had a bitchin'r title.

Oh no, no offense taken at all chief. Honestly what it is is sometimes I read too fast for my own good. I have gotten really good at skimming internets especially. Combine that with the fact that I'm TERRIBLE with names and you've got how things got messed up.

Most of the time when I am trying to get someone's name right I copy/paste it, which is not to say that I don't know your name. Trouble is, I can't pronounce it. Every time I see your name I look at it and scratch my head thinking "Boy's-lib?" "Bose-lib?" "Bo-ice-lib?" and nothing really seems to sound right. My mind's attempt to deal with the situation has been to skip over the middle letters and in my head I literally read now "B---s_Lib"

*shrug* sounds crazy but it's the truth
and looking at the name "Boss_Lib" in the context, I could see how this would create confusion.

Anyway, no I'm not offended. It's just frustrating sometimes because I wish there were hard and fast rules about such things. I'm not going to dig up any now, but I've seen many instances where the shorter clip changed the spirit of the video and was ruled *notdupe by the community; so much so that without seeing what you quoted in the FAQ I really thought that THAT was the rule (a dupe is the SAME video length and all).

I plan on making a poll about it after lucky is done with his powerpoint ticker poll. I feel though, that the video really is a different video. Most people wont sit through the 10 minute film long enough to even get to the 1 minute clip i posted. But meh, what I like about this place is we're all community driven with rules n such. We'll see what the peeps think and hopefully update the FAQ.

peace
-jj

(EDIT) On a completely unrelated side note, I just hopped in a Battlefield 3 server and got banned about 2 minutes in for "Having a racist name"
This is the nn my friends gave me in high school, nothing more. *shrug*

Oh, the revolution will be beyond coverage Gil-every CCTV, website, broadcast of any and all kinds will provide a second to second ticker of events leading up to, during, and after forever-We are more plugged-in than ever before for some 24/7 reality programming-

@blankfist, the correct Krugman answers are:

Commodity prices are going up for supply & demand reasons, core inflation and wages are still flat (as are bond interest rates). A weak dollar is how you solve the unemployment problems, just ask Milton Friedman. The problem is that it's going to be hard to get a weak dollar.

Oh, and on the "dollar closed weak", you should go here and hit the 3Y timeframe. That's the dollar index from about when the recession started to now. Would an honest person describe that as a consistent downward trend?

As for recessions and their official end, I haven't seen any economist declare that the official end of the recession meant the economy was A-OK now. Mostly they interpret "end of the recession" as "beginning of recovery", which jives with the metrics the NBER uses to decide those things.

Oh, and this month commodity, oil, and gold prices are down, and the dollar is up: http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/17/markets/oil_gold_selloff/index.htm

And here's Krugman on that topic three days ago, pointing out once again that fluctuations in commodity prices != inflation.

I love the ticker on this one.

>> ^flavioribeiro:

As for the top priority of the US Congress, I believe it should be balancing the budget. The national debt is the most pressing issue because especially over the last 4 years, US GDP growth has been fueled with borrowed money.

I say getting a solid economic recovery is job #1. A huge portion of the deficit right now is due to the recession itself -- it lowers our GDP (and therefore the tax revenues), and it means a lot more people going on government assistance because they're unemployed and can't find a job.

>> ^flavioribeiro:
Rolling over this debt will already cause a significant drop in the American standard of living, especially as inflation and interest rates start to rise.

"Rolling over" this debt? Why will it result in any drop in the standard in living? It seems to me that leaving the unemployment picture untouched is going to have a massively larger impact on our long-term prosperity than having a higher short- and medium-term national debt.

>> ^flavioribeiro:
To make things short, I refer you to Karl Denninger's blog (who I agree with). He posted short video about this today. To answer your question more precisely, the US Congress must 1) revise the tax code and 2) enact significant cuts to government programs. (1) is nearly impossible to pass because it effectively taxes everyone the same. We will at best see a weak version of (2), which will be insufficient and more painful in the long run.


I'll have to watch the video later, but the blog post probably gives me a clear enough picture. You know this guy is a founder of one of our dreaded Tea Party groups here, right?

In any case, I'll just respond to what I think he's got a valid point about.

First, he's right that medical care costs are essentially the entire problem with the long range debt picture. We've got to find a way to get health care cost inflation under control here. Other countries have done so with lots of government interventionism. We're still refusing to do that sort of thing, and the longer we put it off, the worse our deficits will get.

Second, while I think the "Fair" tax is a giant scam, I'm not opposed to the basic idea of replacing income taxes with consumption taxes.

Third, I like the idea of cutting back on the number of incentives baked into the tax code. But I don't oppose the very idea of them on principle, I just think we have a bunch that aren't doing any good for anyone, and a bunch that are actively doing harm (like oil & gas subsidies).

However, the vast majority of it is just lies and dogmatic ideology being presented as some sort of solution to a mundane budget issue. It's exactly what I was referring to when I said this:>> ^NetRunner:

The issue here [is] the millions of people who think the biggest problems in our country are that taxes are too high on businesses, government aid to the poor is too generous, and worker safety regulation is a tyrannical imposition on liberty.


It's also just one step shy from suggesting that we euthanize our elderly, process them into soylent green, and sell it to pay down our debt.

Out of sheer curiosity, what country are you from?