Um....really, someone home invaded your mom and threatened your wife and you waited all day to report any of it? That call was suspicious as hell. No surprise he's now being uncooperative, any true victim would press charges.

Typically, their release claims the suspect was cursing and challenging the deputies to a fight in an aggressive posture, but it was the police doing that on the video while he has his hands up and is trying to follow the directions to "come here" while his girlfriend tries to shield him from the numerous guns and tazers pointed at him. He never once made an aggressive move towards police from what I saw, only complied with their order hands up the entire time (except the first contact order to get on the f#cking ground) and didn't twitch when they went for her.

This seems woefully inefficient. A few tazers would have incapacitated him a lot quicker and more safely and woudn't have required 30 cops with riot shields. This guy was a threat and the longer the cops waited to subdue him, the more likely he was to hurt someone.

And now the guy's in a mental hospital (probably on taxpayer money), receiving treatment that probably won't work. If he is ever released or escapes, there's a fair chance that he'll hurt someone or do something dangerous. If he is never cleared for release, he'll continue to be a drain on resources while contributing nothing to society or the economy.

"It's important to remember that cops are just humans with guns (and tazers and pepper spray). As such, you should treat them with the same caution that you'd treat any human armed with weapons."

This is brilliant. Best comment I have ever read about how to deal with police. Thanks @Jerykk

That's pretty stupid. Complete footage of the incident from the cameras of all the officers involved should have been released, unedited and uncensored. Police shouldn't get to pick and choose what gets shared.

That said, the councilman didn't really handle the situation well. If a cop tells you to step back, you should probably step back even if you aren't legally obligated to. Ignoring a cop or arguing with him/her is one of the worst things you can do. Physically resisting when they're trying to cuff you is the also a bad idea. If you feel that a cop's actions are unjustified and/or illegal, report him/her after you're inevitably freed and call a lawyer if necessary.

It's important to remember that cops are just humans with guns (and tazers and pepper spray). As such, you should treat them with the same caution that you'd treat any human armed with weapons.

Umm, I appreciate the gesture, and it's far better than the tazer happy yahoo video I was expecting, but wouldn't have been more cost effective to just call her an accessible taxi?

Here we go with generalizations again.

Let's completely forget the Air Traffic Controller comparison because it's just plain stupid.

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States




Secondly, you've confirmed that cops can and will lie whenever they need to.

The number of "justifiable homicides" is skewed because cops will lie and plant evidence.
e.g. Walter Scott video shows the cop planting his tazer.

(well at least three cops- your buddy, you and slager)

We'll never truly know how many cases like this are covered-up.

So we'll never know how many victims truly "had it coming".



Thirdly, there's a complete difference between a "slip & catch error"..

And "accidentally" choking Eric Garner to death..

Or "accidentally" severing Freddie Grey's spine..

Or "accidentally" shooting Akai Gurley to death in a darkened stairwell that you were NEVER supposed to be in the fucking first place..


Those were NOT "mistakes", they were pure negligence and incompetence.. Full Stop.


Those "occasions" weren't few and far between.. they're monthly, weekly, if not DAILY occurrences.


If you don't like when society labels all LEOs as Bad Cops..

Stop making generalization, Lantern.

Because if anyone on here said:

"the vast major of police & soldiers who get killed had it coming"

You would flip your shit.




Seriously, I'm trying to be civil with you now.

But you keep saying crazy insensitive sociopathic shit.

He probably would have had a stern word with you about all the assumptions you're making too.

You've said the guy was unarmed as if it was an established fact when he was shot when it wasn't. You have said he was non-violent but his movement and demeanour certainly weren't submissive, and one really has to wonder what he was planning to do when he got close enough to the officer, kiss him?

My position in all this is that as a Brit I think it's madness that police have to go around with guns all the time. This simply couldn't happen in the UK so as far as I'm concerned it's a fully avoidable situation, just put all the fucking guns down.

However, it's really not that easy. Guns are everywhere in America so the police have to act accordingly. It's really easy with hindsight to say all the things you're saying but in the heat of the moment that cop has to assume the guy is armed and dangerous. That's the effect of having guns everywhere.

They're on the edge of a highway at night, the guy is lit with flashing lights and car headlights going past. This makes seeing bulges or anything like that that might indicate a weapon very difficult and yet you think the officer should have been able to tell this and be happy to risk his life on it? Bullshit.

People are suggesting that under the same circumstances it's a simple job to aim for an extremity and it's a guaranteed hit. Really? It's that easy? So easy you'd stake your life on it?

The guy committed suicide by cop. Plain and simple. He wasn't a compliant victim, he was a threat to the officer. His shuffling was strange and that in isolation isn't threatening, but shuffling closer and closer to an armed officer is a different story.

Maybe the cop should have pulled a tazer first? That wouldn't help much if the guy came out of the car with a gun. Or would it? I don't know. If a tazer would have worked in that situation please put me right, I'm no expert. To me it seems if a guy comes out of the car with a gun and points it at the officer then a gun would be more use in defence than a tazer. Same with pepper spray.

So maybe the officer should put the gun away as soon as he's established that the guy isn't armed? That's fine, I'm all in agreement there. But nowhere in the video is he able to establish that as fact. So if he started with a gun he sure as hell should still have it drawn all the way through this video.

I'm really fucking glad I don't have to deal with anything like this in the UK. It's shit that this happens. But given the prevalence of guns in the US I can't see any way this could have gone differently without risking the situation becoming like the videos reiwan posted.

! So walking backwards is now a dangerous act for a cop?!? ;-) Even I give them the benefit of a doubt that they are capable of walking backwards, focusing forwards, and still knowing where they are. he had his car to guide him, and once behind it could easily move to his right, off the street....or just closed his car door.

Yes, the suspect MIGHT have jumped into the cop car if it's left open...and if it's keys are still in it might have tried to get away again. In my eyes, that's preferable to a certain homicide, but that's just me.

I didn't think closing the door would calm the suspect, I think it would make the officer 'safe'. The suspect could then be addressed with the backup that was there in seconds, not a lone, scared cop that felt threatened. Having the suspect continue to shuffle around seems preferable to what happened....but again, that's just me.

So lets agree we disagree then. It seems neither of us sees what the other does, and that's just fine. If everyone agreed about everything, what would we talk about? :-)
EDIT: and thank you for the reasonable, respectful discussion.

Second edit: interesting no one (including me) thought about tazer gunning him. I would have supported that the instant he put his hands down, or after the first time he's told to stay where he is but he steps forward anyway. I'm guessing, in the heat of the moment, it didn't occur to the officer either.

Fuck you, Philip. In the future you are DONE. I'm going rogue and joining the raiders. While you're checking your email to see if there's an ineffective faggot that'll blow you while your wife is auto-driving in her black cock mobile, I'll be riding alongside of you on a jet propelled tricycle with a carboard cut out of a society car, just like yours.

Except it's not, Philip. It's NOT just like yours, Philip. It's really a cyberpunk barbarian motorized tricycle with a series of harpoons and tazers that I send flying at your smart car, connected to barbed wire and chains, that I use to ensnare my prize. And you, Philip. You're my bitch. My little Tatum.

Show the people what happens to future idiots who forget how to drive. That's right, their wife doesn't care because she's already taken care of and your ass is probably used on a constant basis by dirty disease ridden scavs. After the raiders have had the ol ultra violence on ya, real savage like.

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I would say they exercised too much restraint in that case, i credit them for their restraint, but i wouldn't want things to get far enough to have one of them get shot. Smack the crap out of a fighter with a telescopic baton, by all means, or pepper spray, or tazer.

Interesting though that it was their own gun that ended up escalating the physical confrontation into a firearm confrontation. However with the wild west nostalgia for gun laws over there, i can't see how you could send them out unarmed.

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