>> ^Boise_Lib:

I agree with everything that you said, up to the last sentence.
>> ^MilkmanDan:
...showed that he is possibly less of a bigot than his base...


You can't discount the possibility that Romney is a raging homophobe--who will do, or say, anything to get elected.


I'll go you one further. Romney is an amoral sociopath who will say or do anything to get elected, and who's come to the conclusion that he can't get elected without kowtowing to anti-gay bigots.

I don't really think Romney has enough human emotion inside to actively hate gays. He just doesn't give a shit whether they, or anyone else, gets treated like a human being or not. In a lot of ways, that bothers me more than if he were some simple-minded bigot.

I agree with everything that you said, up to the last sentence.
>> ^MilkmanDan:

...showed that he is possibly less of a bigot than his base...



You can't discount the possibility that Romney is a raging homophobe--who will do, or say, anything to get elected.

Lets rewind:

Last presidential election, early on Hillary Clinton was considered the likely Democrat candidate. Republicans assumed (rather offensively) that anyone female would be practically guaranteed to vote for her due to some sort of "vaginal solidarity". What did they do? They pushed McCain into naming Sarah Palin as his veep, in spite of the fact that nobody really knew anything about her. The only reason for doing that was that they assumed that they would be hemorrhaging women voters, and Palin would magically solve that. How'd that work out? Not well.

So what is Mitt doing here? Failing to learn from that mistake. Mitt thought that having a gay spokesperson might make it possible for him to steal some of that demographic. He failed to remember that an election is a high school popularity contest, and you have to lock down your base before you can go for the swing vote. He stands to lose way more votes from the religious right-wing bigots that would take offense to his working with an "unclean" homosexual than the votes that he could potentially gain from moderates and liberals who are impressed with this "open minded" appointment of a gay staffer.

I would somewhat disagree with Cenk that that makes Romney the bad guy here, though. And it sounds to me like the spokesperson himself wasn't offended by being "fired"; he just realized that unfortunately his presence was going to have a negative effect on Romney's campaign. If he really did want Romney to get elected, he probably would have resigned once that became apparent -- but on the other hand if he is "fired" it can be seen as an attempt to mollify the right-wing nuts that took offense in the first place. Anyway, I'd say that the whole mess reflects much more poorly on the Republican party and the religious right wing than it does on Romney himself. At least he (sorta) tried, and showed that he is probably less of a bigot than his base...

Hey dumbass..

In April 2012, he became the first openly gay spokesman for a Republican presidential candidate, after being hired by Mitt Romney.[2] Less than one week later, on May 1, he resigned after pressure from anti-gay conservatives.[3][4]

It's called "lookin' shit up". Amazing, ain't it.

>> ^deedub81:

Who said he was fired for being gay? Sounds like TYT are just making stuff up.

Okay?

But, seriously - Who said he got fired for "being gay?" It's not like they didn't know he was gay when they hired him.>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^deedub81:
Who said he was fired for being gay? Sounds like TYT are just making stuff up.

I knew a guy in Reno who called himself deedub, he was a real dumbass.

>> ^deedub81:

Who said he was fired for being gay? Sounds like TYT are just making stuff up.

I knew a guy in Reno who called himself deedub, he was a real dumbass.

I think any of our top 3 political parties in Canada is capable of resorting to this tactic. The Conservatives certainly wanted a clear majority in the last election, the Liberals were frustrated as the opposition and the NDP was just hoping to do better than the Bloc. Who would have thought the NDP would do so well and the Libs and Bloc so poorly.

I don't believe any of the spokesperson's statements. It's all for show, they are probably kept in the dark intentionally so that when it finally does come out they can say they were making statements that were truthful based on the information they had at the time. It's a despicable mess in Canada. These guys are clearly being evasive when transparency and accountability is the only way to satisfy critically thinking voters. The Canadians in the Conservative Bubble have probably made up their minds that their party is innocent.

Harper is such an ass, I hope this comes back and bites him in it.

These are the words I hope never to hear from the nuclear regulator:

Greenspan Future NRC spokesperson: I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interest of organizations, specifically banks power corporations and others, was such as they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders customers (and the American public).

Congratulations!

This comment has pushed you into the Always Ignore This Sifter category.

It is a small but select group.

Self select.


>> ^lantern53:

Even Obama mentioned his 'Islamic faith' which I am sure most will not remember.
Of course, Obama was raised a muslim. His conversion came later, perhaps at Jeremiah's anti-semitic, racist playground.

On a more serious note. Does "1 Million Moms", or shinyblurry and such like, see this as any different to 40 years ago, a chain of stores hiring a black person (an openly black person!) as spokesperson and urging a boycott?

If so, why? Because The Good Book™ makes one reference to lesbians being bad? (And of course, no references about judging other people...)

"...leveraging her sexual politics to promote a historically traditional brand. Each mention of the name she gets 100k, or something like that."

Oh, god...

She defends herself against bigots and, yes, bullies, so she's somehow participating in "sexual politics"? JCP hired HER, and she certainly doesn't control the ignorant ramblings and activities of One Million Moms.

"Historically traditional brand"? WTF does that even mean? Do you mean "before there were gays"? Or do you think JCPenney sheets and pans and clothes and waffle irons were originally meant to represent some sort of imagined conservative lifestyle? Or maybe you just mean "old", which doesn't mean shit.

“We stand squarely behind Ellen as our spokesperson and that’s a great thing, because she shares the same values that we do in our company. “Our company was founded 110 years ago on The Golden Rule, which is about treating people fair and square, just like you would like to be treated yourself. And we think Ellen represents the values of our company and the values that we share.” - Ron Johnson, JCPenney CEO

Who knows if she shops there? Does she have to? Maybe someone shops there for her. She used to work there in the 70s, but that probably isn't enough for you. What if she just moves into one of the bedroom displays? They could put up plexiglass so none of the 40,000 One Million Moms could spit on her. Do you think Troy Aikman and Hulk Hogan actually rent shit from Rent-A-Center? Or that Jared Fogle doesn't have a BigMac once in a while? Or that Ricardo Montalbán actually enjoyed the soft Corinthian leather of his very own Cordoba?

I'm sure there are many, much more important things you can spend your time being ignorant about.

>> ^transporter:

I feel your empathy towards wildlife, but if you lived near the Mississippi River you would understand. I don't know if you noticed but those sliver carp get pretty big and they jump out of the river when they hear a motor. So yeah, pretty much makes boating impossible, and there have been cases where people have been put in comas or worse from them. Not to mention they kill off all the native fish populations....and their next destination is the great lakes. So its tough to care about how it gets done --> these fish need to die. Slow, quick, I don't care, but they need to be culled big time.
The Mississippi is fucked up and the entire ecosystem of the great lakes is in jeopardy. This is a cause that unites sport fishermen (billion dollar industry in great lakes) and environmentalists alike. Although these guys aren't going to spokesperson for PETA anytime soon, the carp isn't exactly a higher life form. The farming industry does much worse to higher functioning animals. I think here the ends justify the means.
Anyhow, I thought this was hilarious.>> ^artician:
I'm not exactly an animal rights person, but I was a little miffed at the fact that they basically just maim the majority of the fish they hit.
Early in the video the guy with the machete even cuts a fin off of one. You know that fish lived, and it kind of sucks to think about.
For me...
Again, not an animal rights person, (maybe I am and don't know it?) but this is a good example of humans just fucking up their world and the species they share it with for fun.



Hah! Not a perspective I had previously thought of. Thanks for shedding some light on it for me!

I feel your empathy towards wildlife, but if you lived near the Mississippi River you would understand. I don't know if you noticed but those sliver carp get pretty big and they jump out of the river when they hear a motor. So yeah, pretty much makes boating impossible, and there have been cases where people have been put in comas or worse from them. Not to mention they kill off all the native fish populations....and their next destination is the great lakes. So its tough to care about how it gets done --> these fish need to die. Slow, quick, I don't care, but they need to be culled big time.

The Mississippi is fucked up and the entire ecosystem of the great lakes is in jeopardy. This is a cause that unites sport fishermen (billion dollar industry in great lakes) and environmentalists alike. Although these guys aren't going to spokesperson for PETA anytime soon, the carp isn't exactly a higher life form. The farming industry does much worse to higher functioning animals. I think here the ends justify the means.

Anyhow, I thought this was hilarious.>> ^artician:

I'm not exactly an animal rights person, but I was a little miffed at the fact that they basically just maim the majority of the fish they hit.
Early in the video the guy with the machete even cuts a fin off of one. You know that fish lived, and it kind of sucks to think about.
For me...
Again, not an animal rights person, (maybe I am and don't know it?) but this is a good example of humans just fucking up their world and the species they share it with for fun.

>> ^ForgedReality:

I HATE THE WAY CANADIANS SAY "ABOUT!" Let's talk aboot something else. Let's redirect instead of answering a simple question, what do you say aboot that?


I hate how jackass' like you are compelled to create sentences.

>> ^therealblankman:

>> ^Peroxide:
Kathryn Marshall is married to Harper’s former manager of strategic planning.

Can you cite this? I'm really interested.


http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politics/2012/01/09/ndp-mp-nathan-cullen-slams-harper%E2%80%99s-witch-hunt-environmental-charities