@Lawdeedaw What you're missing is his initial take, his trying to say that you have this window where there is not yet an implanted egg, and that is an ok window to abort, because he says 'an hour after or a day after you're in limbo'

He splits it into two things, 7 months or immediately after, before egg fertilisation. That's his two extremes that he himself says here.

He doesn't give you a week or two, because after that he see it as abortion because he says life begins at conception.

That's what's in this video. A man who says he is against abortion from the point of conception, and the only way out for rape victims he can give in the example that he's saying here, is to do something in that tiny window between the man coming and the sperm reaching the egg.

Yeah, yeay, that's great Ron

>> ^spoco2:

It's a pretty indefensible position he's taking.
He's saying:
"If you can bring yourself to front up to a hospital/clinic fast enough that the sperm haven't even reached the egg yet, I'll be ok with you stopping the sperm being able to fertilise the egg"
"But in all other cases, well, you've obviously taken too long, it's now 'a life' and I've backed myself into a corner saying I can't condone that... so tough"
He's trying to make out like he has a heart and is giving an option for women who have been honestly raped.
Heaven forbid that they take some time to get over the trauma, or have a hard time building the courage to ask for the treatment... nope, in his world it's just a routine procedure they should get done after an apparent routine rape.
Fucking hell... why again do people think he's the messiah?


Did I watch a different video then everyone here? He said at 7 months...its a bit different...vastly different than the way you note it. Seriously, wtf am I missing? And if someone says he implied something I got a problem with that.

Basically, "Emergency contraceptive okay even if it is a life. Don't wait till you're about to have the baby." That's it from this vid. He doesn't say anything about waiting a week to get the courage and lose out, or a month or two.

Otherwise he would (If I recall) leave it to the states (Which means, in effect, make it 1000% legal to have an abortion. Maybe a bit inconvenient for those who live in some states that outlaw it, but then crossing the border of one state to another isn't an outright prohibition.)

It's a pretty indefensible position he's taking.

He's saying:

"If you can bring yourself to front up to a hospital/clinic fast enough that the sperm haven't even reached the egg yet, I'll be ok with you stopping the sperm being able to fertilise the egg"

"But in all other cases, well, you've obviously taken too long, it's now 'a life' and I've backed myself into a corner saying I can't condone that... so tough"

He's trying to make out like he has a heart and is giving an option for women who have been honestly raped.

Heaven forbid that they take some time to get over the trauma, or have a hard time building the courage to ask for the treatment... nope, in his world it's just a routine procedure they should get done after an apparent routine rape.

Fucking hell... why again do people think he's the messiah?

The sea is salty because of all the whale sperm. True story.

Giggle!

>> ^hpqp:

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That argument applies for every permutation of fapped sperm and period-flushed eggs that are lost every day.
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@bcglorf

The question of abortion is not about when life begins, it's about weighing the costs and benefits of pursuing a pregnancy, taking into account both the woman and the embryo/foetus/future human being. In order to do this, of course, one must take into account the not only physical health factors, but also the effect each life will have on the other. A woman's life is forever changed by childbirth; often the responsibility for caring and raising said child falls entirely on her shoulders; she may not have the (economic/emotional) resources to care for it, causing there to be two victims. How much does a ball of cells, or an embryo, with no memories, no personality, no identity, ... how much does that weigh against the irretrievable changes its continued existence would make to the woman? Why are some forms of life valued over others? Why do we feel no remorse removing a tumor - a living organism - from a person/animal? It's a question of checks and balances.

And please don't talk about the "potential" human being that an embryo or foetus is. That argument applies for every permutation of fapped sperm and period-flushed eggs that are lost every day. The point @Jinx makes about the debate is completely valid: we can argue (with the help of scientific evidence) the details about the moment when an embryo/foetus becomes capable of suffering/cognition (my opinion is that it's at the moment when the brain is capable of treating and storing sensory input), but the "pro-life" crowd are not up for rational debate, nor are they particularly pro-life. Instead, they will disregard the (quality of the) life of the woman as well as those of the future child simply because of their superstitious beliefs. They are also usually the same ignorant people who will fight against sexual education and the use of contraception for the same reasons and, more generally, against the autonomy of women and their rights over their own bodies (since their belief systems usually stem from the patriarchal desert monotheisms).

>> ^Jinx:

Pretty sure life begins millions of times in my testicles. It ends by the millions at the end of a condom too. Oh ok, just gametes right? Only "half" murder. Well then life begins when sperm and egg cell meet, but as has already been mentioned here that little bundle of cells doesn't always find itself alive for very long. The body has a rather nasty habit of flushing a fertilized egg out, Women commit infanticide by design. Bitches.
But seriously, the question of when life starts seems fairly simple. The question of when that life becomes sacred, when it becomes capable of suffering, of thought and human intelligence...We can have a debate about how far into pregnancy an abortion should be allowed, argue 1 week in one way or the other and it would be a reasonble and I think worthwhile discussion. Unfortunately the anti-abortion camp isn't reasonable. They pitched their tent in the extremes. The implausbility and insanity of their position is clear. Their assertions are emotional rather than logical and they shoudln't be listened too.


Myself I consider life to begin at implantation of the fertilized egg. The frequency of spontaneous abortion from that point on is radically reduced. None of the every sperm is sacred madness. Most importantly, it is the last clearly definable point I can think of prior birth. An arbitrary, x days, weeks or months just feels exactly that, arbitrary. Barring human intervention an implanted fertilized egg will by born, grow old and die. Sure, it still has the chance of dying naturally before birth, but we don't accept the infant mortality rates when prosecuting child murderers so it hardly seems a valid argument to when a fetus is differentiated as a human.

I'm open to being dissuaded on when life begins, but the lamentations over the consequences of any given definition aren't what I consider valid arguments.

Pretty sure life begins millions of times in my testicles. It ends by the millions at the end of a condom too. Oh ok, just gametes right? Only "half" murder. Well then life begins when sperm and egg cell meet, but as has already been mentioned here that little bundle of cells doesn't always find itself alive for very long. The body has a rather nasty habit of flushing a fertilized egg out, Women commit infanticide by design. Bitches.

But seriously, the question of when life starts seems fairly simple. The question of when that life becomes sacred, when it becomes capable of suffering, of thought and human intelligence...We can have a debate about how far into pregnancy an abortion should be allowed, argue 1 week in one way or the other and it would be a reasonble and I think worthwhile discussion. Unfortunately the anti-abortion camp isn't reasonable. They pitched their tent in the extremes. The implausbility and insanity of their position is clear. Their assertions are emotional rather than logical and they shoudln't be listened too.

You still need a sperm donor. It is possible that each of them had a child to the same sperm donor (or even different sperm donors) and the statement that they were "our biological daughters" would remain true. But they are not a combination of each of the mothers genes.

>> ^A10anis:

>> ^lantern53:
How'd they do that 'biological daughters' thingie?

I think you'll find it's that "in vitro fertilization" thingy

Step 2) Round up the sperm donors (15 kids = 15 names) and make them pay child support.

Lequan
D'Vaughndre
D'Gregg
Jakwavius
Lemonjello (pronounced Luh-MON-juh-lo)
LaCedrick
Loquacious
Meconium
T'Shaun
Dre'O'dre
Rhashan
Novarcus
Freyron
Sexico
D'Barneyfrank

They should be easy to find, what with the jail records and all.

Shiny! You still didn't give me answer about my jizz, I mean, semen, I mean.. sperm.

Do sperms have souls or not?

It seems like you know exactly want Yahweh wants at all times. So yes or no. Sperms & Eggs don't have souls, Just like atheists, right?!

I masturbate frequently [right now in fact] and it's a very important question to be answered for me.

TELL ME PLEEEASE. I need your spiritual guidance!!

We understand you're super spiritual and don't need "evidence" or "reason" to come to ironclad delu..er.. conclusions about what is just and reasonable.


I think it's reasonable to expect police action when you have just been warned it is imminent.

Your morality is "faith-based". You have the faith to believe that obedience to authority is the best outcome. All the time. Duh.

No, I don't believe that. I believe that all authority comes from God and we have a moral duty to obey it, except when it contradicts His direct commands.

Tho most of the folks you debate with,however, have morality based on.. reasons,earnest evaluation,empathy.

I haven't met a single atheist who is able to explain what their moral foundation is beyond whatever they feel like at the time.

You and we are on twooo different uh.. wavelengths. It's a good video tho. = ]

You love the world, I love God who created the world. That's the difference.

OH yeah, quick question. Do all good zygotes go to heaven?

You know like, some eggs get fertilized but god hates them so they don't get attached to the uterus.

I mean, they don't even have time to repent for the sin they were born with just 36 to 72 hours ago! It's just not fair, i think.

Oh yeah! And do sperm have souls too? o_O?

Cause, I been wonderin' about when a person first gets her or his soul and..
you know, like..
worried I might be sendin' all my little guys straight to hell. = /

You should be more worried about where your soul is going, because unless you place your trust in Jesus as Lord, you will face Gods judgement and end up there yourself.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

OH yeah, quick question. Do all good zygotes go to heaven?
You know like, some eggs get fertilized but god hates them so they don't get attached to the uterus.
I mean, they don't even have time to repent for the sin they were born with just 36 to 72 hours ago! It's just not fair, i think.
Oh yeah! And do sperm have souls too? o_O?
Cause, I been wonderin' about when a person first gets her or his soul and..
you know, like..
worried I might be sendin' all my little guys straight to hell. = /

OH yeah, quick question. Do all good zygotes go to heaven?

You know like, some eggs get fertilized but god hates them so they don't get attached to the uterus.

I mean, they don't even have time to repent for the sin they were born with just 36 to 72 hours ago! It's just not fair, i think.

Oh yeah! And do sperm have souls too? o_O?

Cause, I been wonderin' about when a person first gets her or his soul and..
you know, like..
worried I might be sendin' all my little guys straight to hell. = /

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