BIG Shrapnel.. as in... "a piece of shrapnel smashed him and his entire squad into a fine jelly paste"

I'll say it's a definite setup by the garbage truck driver. Watch him set, re-set, and re-set again the two sealed containers (that look to me like brand new metal gas cans). He has to get them just right so they pop.
Also note that he turns his back so he isn't hit by shrapnel.

*eia

setup-firework explodes, fire begins, water bottle with flammable liquid handed to guy to put out fire, no gas in can. Screaming woman for effect.
Shrapnel from class C ordinance in that guy's face, though.

Holy shit watch the water in the CHINGALERA video above.. Shrapnel to the max! And it comes quite close to the people.

Upvote for "... ... ... maybe a lot of shrapnel."

I'd say that he certainly flinched, I just think it was well after the piece of shrapnel with his name scribed upon it had already passed.

Would love to see the outtake where he blows off the adrenaline accumulated by such a near miss (or given the comment about the women who chase him, mebbe I don't want to see it... (or mebbe I do...=)).

I love VS for these kinds of debates, but I see some straw-man arguments going on here.

First, not every Palestinian belongs to Hamas. In fact, the majority of the population does not belong to Hamas. Similarly, very few Germans were actually members of the Nazi party. German citizens backed the Nazis because they felt they were the best hope for getting Germany's economy out of the toilet, getting Germany out of what the citizens perceived as the unfair terms of the Versailles Treaty, and protecting Germany from (Nazi manufactured) external threats. Again, similarly, Palestinians back Hamas because they see Hamas as the best hope of dealing with Israeli oppression.

For 45 years the world (read: United States) has shown little interest in stopping the Israelis--who are supplied with arms and training by the United States-- from forcibly displacing people from their homes and relocating them to what Chomsky calls "the world's largest open-air prison."

How could the Palestinian people possibly expect to defend themselves against Israel in an open and conventional conflict? The Palestinian people back terrorism because it works--it forces Israel to the negotiating table. Consistently, these Israeli "flexing our big muscles" incursions and retaliations by the military have failed completely to stop rocket attacks, suicide bombs, etc. and at some point they must always go to the negotiating table. A side benefit is that the terrorist attacks and subsequent negotiations get the world's media eye focused on the region and what Israel is doing there.

So this talk about whether Hamas are terrorists or freedom fighters is besides the point. They're terrorists to Israelis and they're freedom fighters to the Palestinians. Israel and the U.S. are just as much terrorists as Hamas if not more so. You can watch Chomsky clearly explain why on this Sift: http://videosift.com/video/noam-chomsky-is-america-a-leading-terrorist-state

Second, let's look at the casualties from this latest conflict:
Israel: 3 Israeli's dead, 60 injured from shrapnel (all adults according to latest reports)
Palestine: 100s dead, including 26 children

Yet, Israel tries to spin its military campaign as one of self-defense. The balance of power is so skewed here it's comical.

If there is any hope for peace in this region, it will only come after the U.S. not only stops actively supporting Israel but openly condemns them as well. But that can't possibly happen without the U.S. looking supremely hypocritical about the actions it takes globally (for instance in Afghanistan) in the name of the "War on Terror."

From there, as others have mentioned, you have to stop the occupation and bring both sides together on equal terms. Yes, there will still be fanatics who will fight to the end. But they won't be finding the sympathy and support of the majority of the populace if that populace is no longer oppressed and instead is living in free and safe conditions. Without that popular support, those fanatics will be much easier to deal with than they are now. It's not going to be an easy road to peace because hatred has been bred into both sides so deeply. But I do think it is possible if only the U.S. government will get its head out of its ass.

My 2 cents, anyways.

EDIT: Please don't take this post to mean that I support terrorism in any form or think that it is justified by the Israeli occupation. I am only pointing out the historical fact that terrorism gives the Palestinians pretty much their ONLY bargaining chip at the negotiating table--the Palestinian leadership (whoever is in charge at the time, though it is currently Hamas) agrees to reign in the terror attacks in exchange for humanitarian aid such as food, building supplies, etc. In other words, it "works" in achieving short-term goals but clearly doesn't help achieve lasting peace in the region--which as others have pointed out Hamas doesn't really want anyway.

I was raised around guns, I've been trained with guns through the Hunter Core program. Purely for hunting game. (not human targets on the shooting range - mostly tin cans and paper circle targets.)

I've seen rampant gun use by teens because they thought guns were cool. I've seen my dog get his eye shot out because the neighbor kid didn't know the gun he just loaded was loaded. I've seen powder burns up the arm of a friend who thought it would be cool to saw off a shot gun and fire it. I was standing there when a good friend fired a rifle and the barrel exploded showering us all in shrapnel as it ripped apart his ear drums.

I was trained to handle guns, how to hold them, and all the safety and respect that anyone needs to handle guns. But that doesn't change the fact that they can be dangerous.

I live in Canada, yes, I could go out and get a gun any time I wanted, but our culture on guns is different. I don't feel the need to own one and I know the guy next to me isn't holding a concealed one. I have never let my kids have any toy gun that looked like a gun. (Nerf is ok) Guns are never toys - ever - and I've taught my kids that their entire life, just like matches and fire aren't toys. You just don't mess around with them.

I don't own a gun now nor do I ever see myself owning one. I like the culture of not needing to own one. I can understand a rifle and a shotgun for hunting (locked in a gun safe when not used.) I don't understand and cannot support the necessity for handguns and automatic weapons. Even semi-automatic weapons are unnecessary. Having an Uzi is just plain ridiculous as it's only intended use is for killing humans. That's just how I feel.

On the flip side....

I do understand the need for a militia. They are an integral part of a free society. the last defense against invasion and more so against government forces when the military is turned against the people.

I just don't believe military weapons should be kept in a home environment. There are any number of places they can be stored but at the very least - a proper gun locker with a lock is the only alternative. I don't care whether you have kids living in the home or not. I also don't think anyone should be in possession of military weapons unless they are registered with the militia.

With modern medical tech, they could remove the shrapnel he has to wear his ARC reactor for, right?

Jack Palance: "BLEVE IT...OR NOT."

>> ^probie:

First thing they teach you in haz-mat first responders courses is if you ever see a tanker on fire, RUN. And keep running. You may be out of range of the BLEVE but the shrapnel can kill you too.

>> ^probie:

First thing they teach you in haz-mat first responders courses is if you ever see a tanker on fire, RUN. And keep running. You may be out of range of the BLEVE but the shrapnel can kill you too.


I think it's best to face the danger, so that you can dodge it matrix style!

First thing they teach you in haz-mat first responders courses is if you ever see a tanker on fire, RUN. And keep running. You may be out of range of the BLEVE but the shrapnel can kill you too.

>> ^jubuttib:

>> ^chingalera:
>> ^spawnflagger:
Looks like a GM product

Nope- Companys' called Force Protection Inc. and that's their Cougar HE 6X6.....falling the fuck apart from the ground up! (guys inside are still protected from blast-shrapnel!!!)

No offense dude but it's really not hard to see that that vehicle is not a 6X6. It could be the Cougar 4X4 though.


Yer right...I blame brain diarrhea-

>> ^chingalera:

>> ^spawnflagger:
Looks like a GM product

Nope- Companys' called Force Protection Inc. and that's their Cougar HE 6X6.....falling the fuck apart from the ground up! (guys inside are still protected from blast-shrapnel!!!)


No offense dude but it's really not hard to see that that vehicle is not a 6X6. It could be the Cougar 4X4 though.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^chingalera:
>> ^spawnflagger:
Looks like a GM product

Nope- Companys' called Force Protection Inc. and that's their Cougar HE 6X6.....falling the fuck apart from the ground up! (guys inside are still protected from blast-shrapnel!!!)

The guys inside are gonna need protection because the fucking thing is a STATIONARY TARGET!!!


They wore condoms.