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Jon Stewart Goes After Fox in Ferguson Monologue

dannym3141 says...

Not only do i think this is wrong, but i think it is obviously and patently wrong.

It is demonstrable that a confrontation does not necessarily escalate the longer it goes on for. If you've been taught that in training by someone purporting to be an expert then i despair. I almost feel at a loss for where to begin - i have been in thousands of confrontations that de-escalated due to more time passing allowing both parties to explain or understand better, or for the blood to cool down. I've seen thousands of the same types of confrontation happening to other people. It literally happens all the time; misunderstandings get corrected and the situation de-escalates.

I hope that the brief explanation has betrayed what you really meant. Perhaps you were talking about a specific range of situations with a violent individual.

Or perhaps that's the problem and someone has been training law enforcement this falsehood which effectively encourages you to use the most extreme measure you have to end the conflict more quickly and keep it at a safely low level of escalation. And then you end up with mine- and rocket-resistant urban combat vehicles patrolling the streets, teams of camo'd police holding weapons INCORRECTLY in the presence of civilians on your own streets, and the mowing down of unarmed shoplifters...... all because it's more kind that way? I refute that, and before anyone says the most dangerous words ever spoken 'but we've always done it that way', in a discussion about the ineptitude or otherwise of law enforcement you aren't allowed the premise "law enforcement's methods are and always have been the best way to do things." -- Law enforcement, along with politics, should be the most heavily scrutinised and re-scrutinised systems that exist - because of their unique position to affect people.

I do NOT consider the concern for the safety of a police officer to be greater than the concern for the rights of a citizen; i was under the impression that police were the defence line between citizens and criminals, they put their lives on the line to keep society safe and running. Their job is to ensure we can be citizens, and they are paid to uphold the ideals of the society - freedom, respect for the individual and personal security. I genuinely hope they do so safely, but you don't play with feathers unless you're willing to get your arse tickled, as the saying goes. It is very possible to be safe, respectful and understanding all at the same time in the pursuit of law enforcement. If a person does not have the ability to behave that way they should not be in the job in the same way as someone who finds kids irritating and hit-able shouldn't go into childcare.

Lawdeedaw said:

1-A fun fact is that the longer a confrontation goes on for the further it escalates. By doing nothing you are letting it get further than by doing something.

Last Week Tonight - Ferguson and Police Militarization

lantern53 says...

Wrong again, brainiac. Thug is a word that describes living the 'thug life', you know...disregard for tradition, convention, laws, social responsibility.

A thug is a criminal, someone who commits a shoplifting by force, a felony in most jurisdictions.

naturally, you being an anarchist... the cops are always wrong.

VoodooV said:

Thug is the new code word for the n word.

They know they'll get in trouble if the actually say what they really want to say.

It used to be "urban" now it's thug

Last Week Tonight - Ferguson and Police Militarization

lantern53 says...

I think what happened is eminently explainable. Guy does a shoplifting by force, walks down middle of street, cop sees him, gets him into his car where the suspect tries to take his gun...cop shoots at thug, misses, suspect escapes, cop takes chase, thug turns around and charges cop...cop decides he can't fight this behemoth so, in fear of his life, shoots. Six shots take about 2 seconds, rounds are still flying while the target starts to fall, causing rounds to strike his head.

Of course, I only have 30 yrs of law enforcement experience, and no years of criminal life experience from which to speak.

The Roots Of Unrest In Ferguson, Explained In 2 Minutes

lantern53 says...

If 67% of the citizens are black, then why don't they vote black representatives to the city council? No one is forcing them to vote for white people. Also, why is it that we are taught that all people are equal, except when minorities are not represented in the same percentage in every walk of life. If all people are equal, then all white cops should be good, right?

But then, if a black man is a cop, then he is no longer black, right? He's an uncle Tom. Same thing they said about Obama before he was elected...he wasn't 'down for the struggle' because he was half-white, grew up in Hawaii and went to Harvard. He was the 'magic Negro'.

Also, cops don't just act on their own. They are following orders given them by their command structure. If the city doesn't like how the cops respond, they should address the mayor and the chief of police.

Here again we hear 'unarmed black man' as a victim of a fatal shooting. When someone is trying to take a policeman's gun, he is only temporarily unarmed. A policeman's gun is community property...it belongs to anyone who can get it. 25% of cops are shot with their own weapon so cops get kinda defensive about people grabbing at it.

Also, Michael Brown was not a boy scout, he was a guy who just committed a forcible shoplifting, which in most states is considered a felony. While the officer did not know this, it may help explain the state of mind of Michael Brown when confronted by the cop.

There may be plenty of blame to go around in this situation but it doesn't help when people riot before all the facts are in. Today the cops are given all the blame while the citizen is given every excuse by the media.

Pennsylvania cops taser handcuffed 14-year-old in the face

bobknight33 says...

If the cops messed this kid without cause then yea bring the cops to justice.

If the kid did a faceplant from the taser because he was running away from the cops, then shame on you. Some lessons in life are hard.

Don't shoplift... Bad things can happen.

Pennsylvania cops taser handcuffed 14-year-old in the face

radx says...

"Bucks County District Attorney David Heckler tells NBC10 that police officers yelled warnings at the teen and fearing for his safety, they fired a stun gun to subdue him. The D.A. says the Taser struck the boy in the face and with his hands cuffed, the boy had no way to brace himself against falling face-first."

Source: NBC10

I usually search for videos related to articles I read, that's why the title or the description might contain information that is not part of the corresponding video.

schlub said:

"Pennsylvania cops taser handcuffed 14-year-old in the face"

I didn't hear anywhere in the that video where it says the boy was tasered "in the face". It says he was tasered and then hit his face on the pavement. Seems someone can't get their video titles straight

Best Greeter Ever - BAM!!!

SFOGuy says...

So, Walmart's greeters are actually part of their "loss prevention" system. Just having someone greet random people at the door lowers shoplifting theft. Most of them are (as this distinguished gentleman clearly is) retired folks getting a little extra income.
It's harder to make yourself steal---or maybe it stops/slows down the casual shoplifters who anxiety over being caught is suddenly heightened when someone greets them at the door to this otherwise enormous and anonymous business---especially if that greeting is a loud and enthusiastic "BAM"!
LOL

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Naked people at supermarket in Denmark

Turkish Football Hooligans Riot with Police on the Pitch

messenger says...

The movie "Cass" is based on a true story and has similar themes.>> ^chingalera:

There's a book by Bill Buford called, "Among the Thugs" which is his personal account of his infiltration of the seedy world of football thuggery in the UK in the early nineties-These Brits would attend matches throughout Europe with the purpose of inciting riot in order to commit crimes like looting, shoplifting, etc. Cause a panic at a match, take it out into the streets and the city is ours was the plan. Great read.
http://www.amazon.com/Among-Thugs-Bill-Buford/dp/0679745351

Turkish Football Hooligans Riot with Police on the Pitch

chingalera says...

There's a book by Bill Buford called, "Among the Thugs" which is his personal account of his infiltration of the seedy world of football thuggery in the UK in the early nineties-These Brits would attend matches throughout Europe with the purpose of inciting riot in order to commit crimes like looting, shoplifting, etc. Cause a panic at a match, take it out into the streets and the city is ours was the plan. Great read.

http://www.amazon.com/Among-Thugs-Bill-Buford/dp/0679745351

Actors go shoplifting - Guess which one gets ratted out

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How To Shoplift 24 Cans Of Beer.



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