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Crashing Into Saturn - Cassini's Epic Mission

Crashing Into Saturn - Cassini's Epic Mission

Crashing Into Saturn - Cassini's Epic Mission

blackfox42 (Member Profile)

How Did the Saturn V End Up in Florida?

Mystic95Z says...

Interesting yes, our Soyuz no. The Saturn V is way overkill for LEO deliveries of astronauts. But yes they should have kept it around and we should have had a base on the moon by now...

dag said:

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Interesting. They should never have discontinued the Saturn program. They were our Soyuz .

How Did the Saturn V End Up in Florida?

Seventeen Seconds of Fuel Remained

ChaosEngine says...

Ye gods, I will never not get chills at watching a Saturn V launch.

It is an astounding feat of *engineering, and it was crewed by a bunch of total badasses.

doctor_evil (Member Profile)

T H E Y L I V E

newtboy says...

Well, since most sci-fi says the invaders are coming for our water, they start from a huge mistake. If aliens wanted water, they would certainly harvest the rings of Saturn first...they're nearly pure water, they're already in space, and there's no violent species to eradicate before you can have them.

That said, I think any galactic travelers would have to be planetary parasites to exist. With inter system travel taking tens-thousands of years, replenishing ship stores at every opportunity would be a necessity.

Drachen_Jager said:

Aliens with the tech to get here from another solar system would mop us up.

We simply couldn't fight that.

Back in the '70s scientists came up with a space weapon they called THOR, which is essentially a crowbar-sized bit of metal that has guidance fins at the back. Drop that from outer space and the simple energy of it falling creates an immense amount of damage at ground level.

Aliens who could get here from another solar system could simply throw chunks of asteroid at our cities until we capitulated. No space laser is going to stop that. Especially when they'd have space lasers of their OWN to target our space lasers.

This whole thing is pure fantasy. The same kind of diseased minds who believe in God, Ghosts, and Donald Trump's fitness to be President.

The Leviathan [teaser]

Payback says...

People in the other thread were making notes about how we got to this place without having the eggs to begin with.

I figured it might be Jupiter or Saturn, but then I thought about it. They don't say the eggs are the ONLY source of the exotic matter, just that they are apparently an easier-to-harvest, plentiful source of the exotic matter. Humanity could have gotten out there with a truly massively expensive source, only to find the Space Whales(tm) and hey, it's only been 100 years, it's doubtful Greenpeace has made much headway on Beta Gamma Epsilon Major OU812...

Should We Colonize Venus Instead of Mars?

newtboy says...

Since we won't be terraforming planets this century, if ever. I say colonize the moon first.

We have to bring nearly everything with us anyway, air, water, food, building supplies, etc. The moon is closer, so incredibly cheaper to ship to. Also, it's possible to send a rescue mission or send up unexpectedly needed equipment, not so on other planets.

Cloud cities ignore the insurmountable problem all Mars colony ideas have ignored, radiation. As far as I know, Venus is like Mars and has no magnetosphere, meaning little to nothing to protect from solar radiation. Being above the atmosphere, or on Mars without one, makes it worse. On the moon, you could expect underground colonies and few surface excursions, and the rock could provide the protection and seal in atmosphere. That could also be done on Mars....but why?
Also, as I understand it, they have found water on the moon, so one less thing to ship to space (although there's all the water we need already flying around Saturn if we can harvest the rings).

If they're really thinking 'cloud cities', why isn't anyone making them on earth? It would be like making more of the one thing no one has manufactured yet, more 'land'. The same could be said for underground colonies. Come on, science, get to it!

Greece's Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis on BBC's Newsnigh

radx says...

+ a central bank whose mandate is limited to inflation
+ the lack of a treasury
+ the lack of a harmonized tax system
+ the crippling deficits in democratic control that make it very hard to turn the will of the people into policy
+ etc

The last point is of particular interest if you look at Greece as a shock & awe induced suspension of democracy. Many nations are held in a permanent state of emergency through the war on terror, while Greece's permanent state of emergency was imposed through debt.

Previous governments did what they were told by troika officials, with parliament left aside and judicial decisions left ignored. The return of democracy into some parts of the system caused rather vicious reactions from both the press and European officials. Just look at what Martin Schulz or Jeroen Dijsselbloem said about Syriza officials in the last few days.

Debt is a tool powerful enough to suspend democracy in a heartbeat, even quicker than our famous war on/of terror.

Parliamentary decisions are superceded by transnational treaties and obligations. And if you take the thought one step further, you end up at TTIP/TTP/CETA/TISA. If Greece demonstrates that democratic decisions at a national level still overrule transnational treaties, governments lose a scapegoat for unpopular decisions ("treaty X demands it of us"). Should Syriza manage to end the state of emergency, to return control over the decision back to the elected bodies, it will become infinitely harder to impose draconian or even just highly unpopular measures.

But I digress. Twin Euro blocks (South/North) were part of the discussion, just like parallel currencies in troubled nations. A German exit is still being discussed as well, but I don't think its advocates within Germany thought it through. Switzerland just uncoupled its Swiss Francs from the Euro and it did a real number on their exports. A new DM would appreciate like a Saturn V, instantly shattering German exports. Without a massive increase in wages to compensate through domestic demand, Germany would bleed jobs left, right and center. A fullblown recession.

I'd say it would take very little to stabilise the union, even in its currently flawed configuration. Krugman had a piece this morning, calling one of Syriza's core demands reasonable. And judging by what I have read over the last five years or so, it is. He said Germany would be crazy if they demanded payment on full, no reliefs. And that's where it shows that he cannot follow the media or the political discussions in Germany to any meaningful degree, language barrier and all. Public discussion on economics in Germany stands completely separate from the rest of the world.

Ignorance, stubbornness, cultural bias, a feedback-loop of media and politics, group pressure -- we have everything. And the fact that Germany has been comparatively successful in the face of this crisis makes it practially impossible to pierce this bubble. We're doing fine, our way must be correct, everyone else is wrong.

oritteropo said:

The obvious flaw here is that a single currency and a single interest rate rob member states of some of the tools they would normally use to deal with their slowing economies, and the union never implemented any other mechanism to replace them.

GOT GAMES? (Blog Entry by eric3579)

Phooz says...

Hey! I see a comment from 9 months ago so I figure I'm not too late! Love the old cartridges. My brother and I were always SEGA men ourselves. I have two SEGA Saturn games that I might offload through eBay for a pretty penny. One is Dragonforce worth roughly $150 now and the other is Panzer Dragoon Saga worth roughly $300 or so. These games gave me so much joy and entertainment as a kid and it makes me happy to see that other appreciate them as much to this day! Hope your old games found good homes and are loved.

U.S. Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville

bareboards2 says...

Oops. He says he didn't blow up a Saturn. Never worked on the moon missions, unmanned missiles only.

I asked him why he blew up the Titan. He said it was breaking up so he "sent the destruct signal to disperse the fuel" in the safe zone.

I gotta find out what that other big missile he blew up was. Taller than an Titan. All these years I thought it was a Saturn....

U.S. Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville

GeeSussFreeK says...

Why did he blow up a Saturn!? Was that the ill-fated yet wildly successful test of the escape system?

bareboards2 said:

You like Saturns?

My dad blew one up. And a Titan.

He was a Range Safety officer with the Air Force in the late 1950's, early 60's. Would blow up missiles that were going off course, so the debris would fall in safe areas. Blew up LOTS of missiles.

I have a really cool image of his going away present when he left Cape Canaveral -- a cartoon with him astride a rocket, in space, over Cape Canaveral. There are silhouettes of all the missiles he blew up over his time there on the side of the rocket he is riding -- with hashmarks for HOW MANY he blew up.

It's really cool.

He BLEW UP A SATURN. Which isn't as powerful as the Titan he blew up!



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