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Democrats are in deep trouble - even if Hillary Clinton wins

dannym3141 jokingly says...

Get what you want by voting for someone you don't like, and represents things you don't support!

No wait, I understand... vote for the lesser of two evils.

And next cycle, when they rig the election down to two evils again, vote for the lesser one again!

And the cycle after that, and the cycle after that.

.... 50 years later ....

Well if you don't like the way the world is, why did you keep voting for it?

The politics of "GOTCHA!"

draak13 said:

Yeah! That's how you get what you want!

New PROOF Bernie Sanders Actually WON The Primary (Probably)

newtboy says...

Um...this is the one story he "reported" daily, so not such a "special" report.
I wish I could trust a word he says, but I can't. Most of what he reports is opinion or conjecture, and the conspiracies he reports on come to nothing....which doesn't mean he's wrong, but is an indicator that he's exaggerating. But if 5percent of his claims are true, our election process is completely broken and easily tampered with...better hope Trump doesn't ask Putin to rig the election for him...it's clearly possible, although maybe not needed for him to win.
It makes one wonder, is it even worth the effort to vote, since apparently your vote will only count if it's cast for the candidate "they" have chosen? What a clusterfuck. That it's the democrats rigging an election this time means that both major parties are disqualified to me. I don't support cheaters, period.

John Oliver - Brexit

Obama and Bill Gates Created Hurricane Sandy

MrFisk says...

And seriously, Idiot? People who choose to deal with issues regarding governmental control of weather in order to rig national elections are now idiots? Shock jocks aren't always looking to increase their ratings 'on air' if they say stupid and outlandish shit. Fuck, he could have had a lobotomy for all you know.

My point being that you shouldn't judge based on narrow stereotypes when you are literally clueless about the person in question.

Did Anonymous Prevent Rove from Stealing Another Election?

Xaielao says...

>> ^criticalthud:

amazingly, there are actually people on here questioning whether or not Karl fucking ROVE would stoop to cheating.
the man who has orchestrated more bullshit propaganda, flat-out lies, political strategies of un-cooperation and disinformation, war and mass murder.
YES, Karl fucking ROVE would rig an election.
He clearly believes he is ABOVE THE LAW
and for the most part, HE IS.


Exactly. One has to admit that this is entirely plausible, and that time lines certainly stack up. Karl's conniption fit on FOX about his certainty that Hamilton County would go Romney, even though Romney lost the county by 4% or so.

As to why he didn't try this in 2004, I would suggest it was because the tide was so severely against republicans in that year. As with this year, Obama would have won whether or not he lost Ohio.

Hopefully Anonymous will release some hard numbers and details. Karl Rove has been doing this for half his life, some time in prison might change that.

Did Anonymous Prevent Rove from Stealing Another Election?

criticalthud says...

>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^criticalthud:
amazingly, there are actually people on here questioning whether or not Karl fucking ROVE would stoop to cheating.
the man who has orchestrated more bullshit propaganda, flat-out lies, political strategies of un-cooperation and disinformation, war and mass murder.
YES, Karl fucking ROVE would rig an election.
He clearly believes he is ABOVE THE LAW
and for the most part, HE IS.

I'm not sure if they're questioning whether Rove would stoop to cheating, they're questioning whether it's probable that he actually did.
So a question of capability rather than intent.
I believe Rove is actually Mr Burns made flesh and would gleefully steal candy from a baby, given the opportunity.


indeed. he didn't invade iraq by himself, did he? he got help. he's arguably one of the most powerful men on the planet. I'm assuming he has some people that know their way around the backend of a pc.

Did Anonymous Prevent Rove from Stealing Another Election?

ChaosEngine says...

>> ^criticalthud:

amazingly, there are actually people on here questioning whether or not Karl fucking ROVE would stoop to cheating.
the man who has orchestrated more bullshit propaganda, flat-out lies, political strategies of un-cooperation and disinformation, war and mass murder.
YES, Karl fucking ROVE would rig an election.
He clearly believes he is ABOVE THE LAW
and for the most part, HE IS.


I'm not sure if they're questioning whether Rove would stoop to cheating, they're questioning whether it's probable that he actually did.

So a question of capability rather than intent.

I believe Rove is actually Mr Burns made flesh and would gleefully steal candy from a baby, given the opportunity.

Did Anonymous Prevent Rove from Stealing Another Election?

criticalthud says...

amazingly, there are actually people on here questioning whether or not Karl fucking ROVE would stoop to cheating.
the man who has orchestrated more bullshit propaganda, flat-out lies, political strategies of un-cooperation and disinformation, war and mass murder.
YES, Karl fucking ROVE would rig an election.
He clearly believes he is ABOVE THE LAW
and for the most part, HE IS.

Bain-Controlled Company Owns 2012 Voting Machines

Kofi says...

Lots of coincidences. There's only so many super rich pricks in the venture capital game. You are going to see overlap. Investigate it and accept the findings. These two just jump to conclusions.

Besides, regardless of their ties to Bain, venture capitalists have enough incentive to rig the election anyway.

Maddow: Ron Paul may be the front runner in the Repub race

entr0py says...

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

So the guy running an allegedly anti corruption, pro people campaign wants to win by rigging the election and going against the will of the country? Shady. That said, it would be fun to see Obama kick his ass in the general.


I think what's said starting at 10:23 is really what this is about. Both Ron Paul and his campaign people know he doesn't really have a chance of being the nominee. But by amassing enough delegates to swing the primary for one of the other candidates, he has this enormous barging chip. And Paul can pretty much name whatever political price he wants in exchange for those delegates.

I agree it is completely weasely, but it's only possible because the caucus system is set up to be ultimately decided by insiders if the people don't vote the way they're supposed to. Maybe this will force the parties to change their shamefully undemocratic nomination system.

Maddow: Ron Paul may be the front runner in the Repub race

gwiz665 says...

I would like him to win the republican nomination only to be beat by Obama in the general. For all his flaws, he is certainly different than all the others. That in itself is a breath of fresh air.
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

So the guy running an allegedly anti corruption, pro people campaign wants to win by rigging the election and going against the will of the country? Shady. That said, it would be fun to see Obama kick his ass in the general.

Maddow: Ron Paul may be the front runner in the Repub race

Rep Sanchez: Republicans Admit To Holding Economy Hostage

dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Let's take a deep breath and take it down a notch. @quantumushroom that is a borderline racist comment, please refrain. @GenjiKilpatrick I sense your frustration but that's an inappropriate way to respond and an ad hom, so please refrain. This an official warning. Thanks.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

Yeah QuantumDickface, since her surname is Sanchez she obviously unloads the van full of pregnant undocumented immigrants at every polling station in Orange County in order to rig every election she's run for.
So @dag, if I heard from an anonymous source that @quantumushroom is clearly a racist & moronic meatbag filled to the brim with human feces..
..it's not technically breaking the AD HOM rule since it's only hearsay, right?
>> ^quantumushroom:
The biggest obstacle to job creation is the obama regime itself. No sane business is going to produce anything when there's no demand from consumers and this lawless excuse of a government stands ready to seize all the profits.

Sanchez - proof that Mexican illegals vote in American elections.


Rep Sanchez: Republicans Admit To Holding Economy Hostage

GenjiKilpatrick says...

Yeah QuantumDickface, since her surname is Sanchez she obviously unloads the van full of pregnant undocumented immigrants at every polling station in Orange County in order to rig every election she's run for.

So @dag, if I heard from an anonymous source that @quantumushroom is clearly a racist & moronic meatbag filled to the brim with human feces..

..it's not technically breaking the AD HOM rule since it's only hearsay, right?

>> ^quantumushroom:

The biggest obstacle to job creation is the obama regime itself. No sane business is going to produce anything when there's no demand from consumers and this lawless excuse of a government stands ready to seize all the profits.

Sanchez - proof that Mexican illegals vote in American elections.

Obama is weak

NetRunner says...

To me, this all feels familiar.

Remember how Hillary was saying Obama wasn't ready for the 3am phone call, and Obama pretty much didn't say anything about it for a week? I thought Obama was gonna lose.

Remember how Obama kicked the snot out of Hillary on Super Tuesday, and for a month solid afterwards, but the press acted like all that mattered were the primaries in Ohio and Texas? I thought Obama was gonna lose.

Remember how Hillary didn't concede after all the primaries were over, even though she'd lost, and Obama didn't say anything about it? I thought Obama was gonna lose.

Remember how the polls did a total reversal when McCain picked Palin? I thought Obama was gonna lose.

Remember how liberals were worried Bush was going to rig the election for McCain? I thought Obama was gonna lose, even if he won.

Remember how the stimulus package was being blocked by Republicans, who demanded that the entire bill be turned into tax cuts or made half the size? I thought Obama was gonna lose.

So now, here we are, with every currently published draft of the bill containing a public option, and the Republicans lying, yelling, and screaming, thinking Obama is going to lose.

Why?

Because that's what the pundits on the corporate-run TV networks are saying? Because Obama isn't firing back at them with both barrels like FDR or Truman might have?

By all means, get mobilized. Get angry. Get worried about the fate of the bill. Follow slinkerwink's diaries, and follow the calls to action. Sign up for Democracy for America's mailing list. If you aren't already on the list, go to Organizing for America and sign up, then look for events in your area. Visit FireDogLake's action page for the public option, and call your Rep and push them to sign the pledge.

Don't expect Obama to just make this happen on his own. He needs his supporters to drown out the morons who would rather see people go sick than see taxes on people who make more than $250,000/yr go up by 1%, because they're worried about socialism or death panels.

But most of all, don't count him out. He does this. He lets the other side get ahead. He scares the living crap out of us, and makes us doubt whether we'll win. Then, when you're sure he's lost, he does something that reminds you why you supported him in the first place, the tide turns, and before you know it he's won, handily.

So don't let your concern turn to despair. Just keep fighting. The pieces are already in place, all we need to do is remind these people who they work for.

When we win, we're gonna feel silly about how worried we are right now.



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