The problem with the Allen southbound is the way it bottlenecks at Eglinton. If you're trying to go East, good luck - the queue for the turning lane often ends north of Lawrence. >> ^Bruti79:
>> ^SlipperyPete:
Better options include Mt. Pleasant or Avenue Rd.
>> ^Lendl:
Every time I come to TO and they've closed the DVP for some bike thing or parade, I end up taking Yonge to get downtime and cursing the whole way. Upvote anyway


Or the Allen.

>> ^SlipperyPete:
Better options include Mt. Pleasant or Avenue Rd.
>> ^Lendl:
Every time I come to TO and they've closed the DVP for some bike thing or parade, I end up taking Yonge to get downtime and cursing the whole way. Upvote anyway



Or the Allen.

Better options include Mt. Pleasant or Avenue Rd.

>> ^Lendl:
Every time I come to TO and they've closed the DVP for some bike thing or parade, I end up taking Yonge to get downtime and cursing the whole way. Upvote anyway

Ok folks, here is a suggestion for a venue:

CANTALOUPE off Old Street in the East End.

It has a nice loungey area that looks perfect to hang out in for a chat and some drinks/food.
Their bar menu sounds delicious and food starts at 3 pounds, with burgers around 6 pounds.
They also have a good range of beers, including the Czech Budvar.
My London local friend also tells me there are a few cool bars around the area in case we want to switch location later on.

Here is how to get there from Harry Palmers Lodge

What do you all think? Choices are plenty of course, but since no one came forward with another suggestion this sounds to me like a good spot.

We should decide by the weekend so I can reserve a cosy corner for 8 people or so. (5 confirmed at the moment)

>> ^furrycloud:
Crazy tornado, eh?


Yeah we normally get some pretty nasty weather all around in Ontario, but this has been the big one so far. Had a few small tornados down by London, Aylmer, and Windsor earlier in the year with next to no damage but this one kicked up some serious stuff from Windsor all the way through to Owen Sound.

EC's damage report from AWCN11 CWTO 210959, more incoming still:
TIME(LCL) LOCATION EVENT DESCRIPTION
1:00 PM SARNIA TREES UPROOTED. DEBRIS ON LAKESHORE RD .
4:15 PM TOWNSHIP OF ROOF RIPPED OF THE CENTRE OF HOME DURHAM HARDWARE BUILDING. LARGE TREES DOWN. SIDING, EAVES TORN FROM THE SIDES OF HOMES OPPOSITE IN DIRECTION OF THE STORM. TRAILER OVERTURNED.
4:40 PM THORNBURY/ TORNADO SIGHTINGS, TREES AND CRAIGLEITH POWER LINES DOWN.
5:10 PM MARKDALE MANY TREES AND POWER LINES DOWN.
5:39 PM LONDON TREES DOWN, HIGH WINDS.
6:15 PM 401 WEST OF PEA SIZED HAIL. MILTON
6:15 PM VAUGHAN TORNADO SIGHTED NEAR VAUGHAN MILLS SHOPPING CENTRE.
6:17 PM NEWMARKET CARS FLIPPED OVER.DAVIS DR/HWY 48
6:30 PM DAVIS DR/MCCOWAN HOUSE DAMAGED.
6:30 PM ARNSTEIN/ SWATH OF TREES DOWN IN WOODS SW OF NORTH BEHIND HOME. BAY
6:45 PM MAPLE FUNNEL CLOUD OBSERVED. N OF MAJOR MACKENZIE
6:50 PM WOODBRIDGE MANY HOUSES DAMAGED, CARS FLIPPED,TREES DOWN EVERYWHERE.
6:57 PM NORTH BAY/ WATERSPOUT SIGHTING. MOVED OVER LAND. LAKE NIPPISSING
7:15 PM NORTH BAY FUNNEL CLOUD TO THE NW.
7:16 PM GRAVENHURST TREES UPROOTED. DEBRIS.
7:20 PM EAST GWILLIMBURY BARN DESTROYED.
7:22 PM WATERDOWN 30 MM RAIN.
7:44 PM STOUFFVILLE FUNNEL CLOUD SIGHTED.
7:44 PM ORILLIA TREES UPROOTED. FLOODING ON SIDEROADS.

Adding in unconfirmed reports of funnel clouds in downtown Toronto(Young & Bloor), Woodstock, Aylmer, and St. Thomas. Yeah hell of a storm.

WCN11 CWTO 220023 @ 2000 08/21/09 EC DAMAGE REVIEW
TORNADO LOCATION/PATH DAMAGE OVERVIEW
TORNADO 1 5 KM SW OF DURHAM TO MARKDALE F2 TORNADO DAMAGE (CONFIRMED) (ROUGHLY 20 KM) (SIGNIFICANT HOUSE + TRAILER DAMAGE, TREES DOWN, ETC)
TORNADO 2 FROM S OF THORNBURY TO THE SE F2 TORNADO DAMAGE (CONFIRMED) OF THORNBURY (PATH LENGTH (DETAILS UNKOWN AT UNCERTAIN AT THIS TIME) THIS TIME)
TORNADO 3 WOODBRIDGE/VAUGHAN F2 TORNADO DAMAGE (CONFIRMED) (SEVERAL KM LONG (HUNDREDS OF HOMES + 50 METRES WIDE) DAMAGED, TREES DOWN, CARS FLIPPED, ETC)
TORNADO 4 NEWMARKET AREA F1 TORNADO DAMAGE (CONFIRMED) (HOCKEY ARENA ALMOST DEMOLISHED)
TORNADO 5 POWASSAN TO NORTH BAY (PATH WATERSPOUT/TORNADO (PROBABLE) LENGTH UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME) SIGHTINGS (DAMAGE DETAILS UNCERTAIN AT THIS TIME)
TORNADO 6 MILTON F1 DAMAGE (POSSIBLE) (SOME ROOF DAMAGE, ETC)

THIS SUMMARY WILL BE UPDATED WITH THE RECEIPT OF NEW UPDATED INFORMATION. NOT OFFICIAL.

>> ^JiggaJonson:
Wow good find. Although, I submit that he probably got a lot more of his moves from James brown.
http://www.videosift.com/video/MJ-borrowed-moves-from-James-Brown
[edit]
I'm getting some flack for posting that but I stand by my assertion - watch em side by side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD-4CDVcjCc&NR=1


I'm sorry but that he got "a lot more of his moves from James Brown" is an absolutely ludicrous assertion and I'm flabbergasted by it, especially with you comparing them to the very many MJ moves illustrated in this video.

That "side-by-side" you linked (which is actually just MJ next to himself) shows MJ doing some crazy legs action very similar to James Brown's, but that's just one single move and by far not one MJ is even known for. When anyone consider's MJ's moves, they don't picture his feet shuffling around.

In my defense, exhibit B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD-4CDVcjCc&NR=1
Try watching the two vids side-by-side

Wow good find. Although, I submit that he probably got a lot more of his moves from James brown.

http://www.videosift.com/video/MJ-borrowed-moves-from-James-Brown

[edit]
I'm getting some flack for posting that but I stand by my assertion - watch em side by side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD-4CDVcjCc&NR=1

3 miles from home? 10 and 12? Hmm. It depends on the kids.


I used to walk home from school 2.5 miles through San Jose, CA, a city with a population of one million.


Does that make my mother an abusive parent?
Map of Route.

The difference, I'm sure, is that I knew the way, these two girls probably had no clue how to get home. Does that make it endangerment? A lapse of better judgement? Probably, but I don't think she should be prosecuted and have her daughters taken away. That's not going to solve anything.

The idea of "panspermia" (aliens planting life on earth or just from a random meteor) does not detract from the theory of evolution at all. Like the God Theory, nothing is really explained about origin through that, because whatever placed life on earth would also necessitate its own evolution.

johnald: There is a long story about how RD was coerced into this movie. Originally it was called Crossroads and was advertised as something entirely different.

"Wait -- the 23'rd STREET bridge or the 23'rd AVENUE bridge?"

Kelly Media Group (KMG, Inc.) was founded in 2003 by Jason Cardiff. Kelly Media Group is a direct marketing agency. Anyone who has ever received junk mail in their mailbox will know what direct marketing is.

Kelly Media’s website states,”Why would you chance the future of your business on an advertising company that has to outsource your mailing campaigns to a 3rd-party fulfillment house. It is imperative that you place your direct mailing endeavors into the hands of a proven direct mailer, like Kelly Media Group.”

Why would you chance your future of your business on a fraudulent bag of manure like Jason Cardiff is a better question.

One of the areas specifically mentioned on Kelly Media Group’s website is “Church Marketing”. And boy does Kelly Media know how to market for the church. You see, the founder of Kelly Media, Jason Cardiff, also happens to be the son-in-law of Peter Popoff.

Peter Popoff, who in 1987 was making $4.3 million per MONTH, is a self proclaimed televangelist and claims to be a faith healer. He was a widely popular minister in the 1980s.

Yes, Peter Popoff, disgraced faith healer, and his collaborator wife, Elizabeth, are on the air trolling for dollars. On cable infomercials, Popoff promotes the Peter Popoff World Outreach Ministry, pleading for viewers to order his book, Prosperity Thinking: God’s Dynamic Forces That Bring Riches to
YOU! and get his new free, tiny vial of “Miracle Spring Water.” Intercut is scenes from his revival show where he lays hands on the afflicted, allegedly curing all sorts of medical problems (wink! wink!) and, oddly, supposedly freeing a woman’s jailed son.

Also intercut are scenes of Elizabeth reading “testimonials” of the cures from viewers healed by the
water or by Popoff through the TV.

Popoff, was exposed by James Randi on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson in 1986. Randi and friends found out that Elizabeth was transmitting information to Peter, who wore a hidden earpiece
camouflaged as a hearing aid (very strange for a man who could supposedly cure all manners of illness).

Randi said, “I explained how Popoff had sent Reeford Sherrill (his ‘front man’), Volmer Thrane, and his wife, Elizabeth, into the audience in advance, equipped with transmitters to gather and broadcast the needed data backstage to the reverend.”

During the show, Elizabeth would prompt him again on the problems claimed by certain people in the audience. It then looked like he knew a person’s name and affliction as if given the information by
God! During one part of the revival section of the new show, Popoff gets worked up and touches the foreheads of afflicted persons, who usually fall backwards into the arms of one “volunteers”.

Youtube hosts numerous videos of this fraud, including James Randi on the Johnny Carson show in which Popoff’s wife Elizabeth, can actually be heard revealing audience member’s names and their illnesses to Peter via radio signals sent to the earpiece. Elizabeth can be heard to say, “Hello, Petey. I love you! I'm talking to you. Can you hear me? If you can't, you're in trouble, 'cause I'm talking as well as I can! I'm looking up names right now."

In one recorded session Elizabeth Popoff speaks: "Reeford's got a hot one!" (Laughter.) "Reeford's so excited! He came running in back here and scared us half to death! You ready for a hot one? Okay! Want a hot one? Hot one! Hot off the press! Ruby Lee Harris. Ruby Lee. She is standing in the far back where there's no chairs. (Long pause) "...Ruby Lee Harris. She's against the back wall. She's got lumps in her breast. You might want to whisper it - have her walk down! Have her run up there. Run! Oh! Look at her run! (Loud laughter) "she's got knots in her breast." (Laughter and giggles.) A home run! A home run!" (Then, later on, giggles are heard, and Pam speaks.) "At any rate, she should kick him in the face!" (giggles) (Elizabeth speaks.) "Pam says to make her - Pam thinks that you should have her kick him in the face (Giggles.)

Elizabeth Popoff and several aides would scout the audience looking for "hot" ones. They would ask them, "Is Jesus going to heal you? And what's your name, and where do you live? Have you had this condition long?" They would write all this information down on cards, which later on Elizabeth would recite during the service via her concealed transmitter. She carried the power source in a large handbag, and the transmitter and microphone were hidden under her blouse.

Peter Popoff claimed that the video footage shown on Johnny Carson was a fake and that the woman who was said to be his wife Elizabeth was really an actor hired by NBC.

When the Popoff ministry was asked whether Popoff used a secret receiver in his ear, Janice Gleason, a public relations consultant for the Popoff organization, said that the electronic receiver in Popoff's ear was used only to keep in touch with the television crew. (In the hours of taped transmissions, there was not one communication with the television crew.) Gleason said she believed that the woman's voice heard on the Tonight Show was faked. But Popoff later admitted that it was his wife who was communicating with him

Peter Popoff also declared bankruptcy when his viewers began leaving him in droves after the revelation of fraud.

So it’s now 2009 and how does all of this tie in with the Kelly Media Group?

Nick Popoff, the son of Peter “fraud” Popoff works as consultant for Kelly Media, and Peter’s son-in-law Jason Cardiff is the founder of Kelly Media Group. Furthermore, the PeterPopoffMinistries website was created by Kelly Media Group.

If you make a donation on Popoff’s website (to “fulfill our mission of proclaiming the gospel of Jesus to the world” of course), take a look at whose e-mail account (now closed) the funds are processed with:

This is the actual code from the website donation page:

<input type="hidden" name="x_version" value="3.1" />
<input name="x_merchant_email" type="hidden" id="x_merchant_email" value="jason.cardiff@earthlink.net" />
<input type="hidden" name="x_description" value="Donations - Peter Popoff Ministries" />

Yes, Jason Cardiff handles donations sent to Peter Popoff. This entire family is crooked and fraudulent.

Let’s take a look at how much money this family made in 2005. The information comes from Ministrywatch.com which tracks questional religious organizations.

People United for Christ, Inc./ Peter Popoff
Known Compensation per IRS Form 990:
Peter Popoff: 2005: $686,932
Elizabeth Popoff: 2005: $261,146
Nickolas Popoff: 2005: $189,293
Amy Cardiff (daughter): 2005: $183,330
Kelly Media Group, Inc./ son-in-law to Peter Popoff: $1,948,458
Other organizations: (1) Peter Popoff Ministries, LTD, (2) First Point (United
Kingdom), (3) Word for the World, (4) Peter Popoff Evang. Assoc-Canada.

Peter Popoff made $686,932 from donations received. His wife made $261,146.

Kelly Media Group made $1,948,458. That’s almost TWO MILLION dollars for web-hosting and direct mail services???

2006 incomes were slightly less for the Popoff family:
Peter Popoff Ministries $23,556,469
Peter Popoff . . . . . . . . . 628,732
Elizabeth Popoff $203,000
Nickolas Popoff $182,000
Amy Cardiff $176,000
Taking a closer look at the direct mail services of Kelly Media Group. People who sign up at Peter Popoff’s ministry website, are asked for their mailing address and email address. Once the information is filled out, people begin to receive up to two-dozen postal letters from Peter Popoff.
Each letter is personally addressed to the person (ex: "Robert, God has given me something that I must give you," the letter begins). Computer-generated type is made to look like handwriting and only the names are changed from one letter to the next.

A former Kelly Media Group employee states, “while working for Kelly Media, which is an advertising agency owned and operated by Peter Popoffs son-in-law Jason Cardiff, it was my job to enter prayer requests and donations into a database. These entries into the database would generate a letter to be sent back to the person who wrote in. It would print up a detailed letter, which appears to be handwritten by Peter Popoff himself telling people that he was praying for them, and their particular problems.

The letters begin, 'The other day I was praying for you, and decided to go to a coffee shop where I knew I could focus, and everytime I said your name I was embraced by the holy spirit.'

Do you really think Peter Popoff spends even 15 seconds reading through the hundreds of letters that he receives?

Popoff’s staff take the money out that Peter Popoff has asked the people for, writes the prayer requests on the envelope, and sends them to Kelly Media Group who type them into the database. The coffee shop line quoted above will be mass produced, word for word on each letter for about sixty thousand people at a time. All the while people think that they are sending him money to advance the work of god, and that in return he is praying for them. Peter Popoff is not only not praying for these people, he doesnt even know who they are.

Peter Popoff, Elizabath Popoff, Jason Cardiff are enjoying the good life for now, based on the dollars donated by people who don’t know any better. This family engage in fraud and questionable practices to conduct their business.

As a final testimony to the dishonest and questionable practices of Kelly Media Group and the Popoff’s, let’s take a look at the Direct Response Advertising Watch Dogs Of America. This group is touted as “a high-end elite group of executives that watch and study advertising executives around the globe for performance and client results.” Their website is here: www.directresponsewatchdogsofamerica.com

Imagine that, a group that takes time to watch and study advertising executives to see their performance and results. What would be the motivating factor here? How would this group earn an income? What else do they do?

The website for DRAWDA really doesn’t say much else about them. Portions of the website are incomplete as if the web developer stopped halfway through designing the site.

DRAWDA does mention though, Jason Cardiff. In fact DRAWDA actually names Jason Cardiff as an “up and coming direct response television advertising executive for 2008.”
Here is what they have to say about Mr. Cardiff:

Jason is President and founder of many companies Worldwide but best known for Kelly Media Group. Kelly Media Group is a California based direct response marketing think tank responsible for some of the most impressive successful marketing stories of the past 5 years. Jason Cardiff will tell you that he is only as good as his weakest link on his team, but his team consists of some of the brightest minds in the Unites States or perhaps the world. Offices are strategically located worldwide with the head office in Upland (California), Dallas (Texas), Vancouver (Canada), London (England), Sydney (Australia) and the newest office KMG Asia in Da Nang (Vietnam) www.kmgasia.com
That’s quite the honorable mention for someone who is engaged in defrauding religious worhsippers.

If you do a WHOIS of the website you will find that the website’s registrar has been hidden from public view.

DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: DIRECTRESPONSEWATCHDOGSOFAMERICA.COM
Created on: 27-Aug-08
Expires on: 27-Aug-09
Last Updated on: 27-Aug-08

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration DIRECTRESPONSEWATCHDOGSOFAMERICA.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration DIRECTRESPONSEWATCHDOGSOFAMERICA.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598

However if we pull up the WHOIS record for DRAWDA **BEFORE** they hid their domain’s registration information, we find this:

:
Kelly Media Group

2022 W 11th St
Upland, California 91786
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: DIRECTRESPONSEWATCHDOGSOFAMERICA.COM
Created on: 27-Aug-08
Expires on: 27-Aug-09
Last Updated on: 27-Aug-08

Administrative Contact:
Cardiff, Jason jasonj@kellymediagroup.com
Kelly Media Group
2022 W 11th St
Upland, California 91786
United States
(877) 788-8463

Technical Contact:
Cardiff, Jason jasonj@kellymediagroup.com
Kelly Media Group
2022 W 11th St
Upland, California 91786
United States
(877) 788-8463

Domain servers in listed order:
NS25.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS26.DOMAINCONTROL.COM


Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited

Way to go Jason Cardiff, inventing a bogus group and registering it in your OWN COMPANY’S NAME just to present yourself with an even more bogus mention as an up and coming executive.

Finally, if you visit Youtube you will find videos of Cardiff giving a “tour” of the KMG warehouse and product fulfillment center. In the video, shot by an amateur cameraman who clumsily holds a camcorder, Cardiff touts his business while the cameraman pretends to be impressed with the otherwise boring warehouse. The entire video is clearly orchestrated and the cameraman is really another employee of KMG.

Avoid the Kelly Media Group at all costs or anything with the Popoff name.

>> ^gnargnar:
cost of a girl having fun alone- $200
cost of a guy having fun alone- $0
God is surely a dude.


Umm .. women do have fingers just like men ..
and guys have some mighty expensive toys.
(scroll to bottom .. $6,500!!)

Tags for this video have been changed from 'RD, Battle, Star, Galactica, Funny' to 'RD, ron d moore, david eick, company, logo, end, credits, funny, bloody' - edited by EDD

ˈsɪlvərkɔrd = sil ver kawrd


(it was chawgee with a hard "g")