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Covid Deaths Trump Vs Biden

newtboy says...

I'm regurgitating the numbers Dr Birx used, and comparing our outbreak to other nations that took it seriously like S Korea and New Zealand. If we had used the same serious action S Korea had, our death rate per 100000 would be an astonishing 1/60th of what our death rates were in the first 6 months or so. Just universal mask wearing would have cut our deaths by an estimated >1/4, 130000 fewer deaths, and slowed the rate of new cases significantly, but Trump fought against them.

Here's the link on that data...., granted slightly dated.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/23/how-many-coronavirus-deaths-are-truly-attributable-trump/

Remember, the Whitehouse said 100000-240000 possible deaths, around the same time Trump said deaths would never rise over 20000, using the lower of those numbers and blaming Trump's policies for the excess we are >80% his fault now, using Trump's promised numbers over 96% are blood on his hands.

There's also the fact that after knowing about the uncontrolled epidemic in WuHan Trump let over 40000 people (just not Chinese nationals) back in the country from that region with no tests available and no quarantine except for those obviously extremely sick. An immediate and actual travel lockdown could have made our deaths zero, and definitely would have made them exponentially lower.

Then there's the dismantling of the Global Health Security and Biodefense unit he closed that likely could have identified the outbreak in China much earlier and again, made our numbers zero. It's exactly what they were created to avoid.

I honestly feel 80- 90% was being generous, in fact there's a real possibility that a thoughtful adult president would have made any number of intelligent decisions, any one of which could have avoided the pandemic altogether or minimized infections enormously, even minimizing the Chinese epidemic.

I do agree, Biden is doing much better at taking it seriously and acting like rapid vaccination is important, but still isn't doing enough. I would prefer an enforced national mask mandate, mandatory social distancing, school closings until vaccination saturation, etc until we have herd immunity....not half assed measures like 50% capacity at bars and restaurants, with few business shutdowns and zero enforcement, pretending it's over every time infection rates dip.

Mordhaus said:

I don't disagree that Trump could have handled many aspects of the pandemic better, but I think your numbers are a bit off.

One, because with the lack of a vaccine, experts are unsure of how many of the deaths can be laid specifically at Trump's feet. In other words, they are unable to put a solid number to how many would have died had he done anything different. It certainly would not be 80-90%, that is a nearly unproveable claim in the face of no vaccine being available. The closest estimate is from the Lancet Commision, which suggests that 40% could be Trump's fault, along with four decades of "long-standing flaws in US economic, health, and social policy" that compounded inefficiencies in the country's public-health systems before the pandemic. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32545-9/fulltext

If you look at statistics, Biden's administration was running at similar death numbers than Trump's for a couple of months after he took office. They only began to decline rapidly since the vaccine became more available. Vaccine availability is more of a factor of how fast the companies were able to make the vaccine, versus anything Biden could have done. His contribution, if you will, is primarily not stockpiling a reserve and sending it out as fast as possible. The current death rate is running about the same as from May 2020 to November 2020. The winter surge was about as bad as everyone expected.

Here is a link that shows the deaths on a timeline. Select "deaths' instead of "cases". https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/01/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

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bobknight33 said:

Just more fake news to keep you leftest stirred up.

Nothing happened worse on Jan 6 than any leftest anarchy event ( portland) last 4 years.

We Still Don’t Know How Bicycles Work

luxintenebris jokingly says...

small lists of everyday miracles...

-bicycles
-ice-skating
-naps
-dreams
-laughing
-yawning
-blushing
-why my sister seems tastier to mosquitoes than i *

no one really knows the why, what, or wtf-fors.

like the guy being asked, "there's a GOD isn't there?"
to which he responds, "how should i know? i don't know how the toaster works!"

somethings are and ours to question why.

https://www.gocomics.com/pickles/2020/12/11

*maybe they prefer bitterness to sweetness?

Rheinmetall Air Defence

moonsammy says...

A cloud of tungsten projectiles... clearly (hopefully?) not intended for use over populated areas, though I suppose it could still be preferable to whatever might otherwise get through. Would be a hell of a messy hailstorm resulting from this thing though!

Republicans in 2018 Post-Midterm Elections

newtboy says...

Edit: some of us would prefer the president be up to speed on day one, not as a spectator but as a leader. I get that a leader who's prepared to lead is a new concept, but we need one desperately.

You seem to be under the impression that distribution nation wide doesn't need constant supervision and revision. You are sadly misinformed.
The preparation from the Whitehouse isn't complete, distribution of most vaccines requires deep freeze shipping to facilities with proper sub zero storage, and all the equipment for each shot, and a system in place to offer it to only the most at risk (and to deny the asshole who won't wait), personnel, facilities, policies, and equipment. None of that is completed.

Edit: oddly you seem to think a program set up by the Trump team will be flawless and perfectly functional from day one, unlike every other program they set up. When it turns out they planned to use ice cream trucks for delivery, but they aren't cold enough so 30 million doses spoil on the docks, Biden shouldn't be prepared? When it turns out the vaccine that needs sub zero refrigeration is the only one that really works, he shouldn't have a backup plan ready? Why would you assume it will function adequately totally hands off when nothing works that way, especially the biggest mass vaccine program ever?

If you think the federal government isn't going to be in charge, you're again misinformed badly. Operation warp speed, the distribution policy/agency, is in charge... it's a federal program. It will need constant supervision and retooling. Biden will be directly in charge there and should be informed and prepared, not shooting from the hip.

You left out the federal government and manufacturers and manufacturers of needles etc...The most important players in distribution.


Lol...You act like the white house isn't directly in charge of the distribution, they are.

Biden is just now being told the details of the plan, who's involved, and how it's supposed to work. As the leader of the plan, he should be fully informed before taking charge so he can fix whatever the moron who's sycophants designed it screwed up. Until he knows the plan and where and how we are setting it up and what stage we are at, he cannot possibly make his own plans to improve and facilitate it. Duh, that's the point here. You can't be that dense.

Two months is not enough time to be properly briefed on everything he needs to know, as explained in the 9/11 report.

The army, cia, and other agencies had plans for Osama in spring 2001, but Bush was all but unaware of any issues because he lost a few weeks of briefing time during the transition. This is a MAJOR factor in the success of the attack, as he didn't take any action on a problem he was unaware of.

Same goes here.

I know you disagree, you do little else. Fortunately, people with your mindset won't be running things for long, then we can make progress on this and a multitude of fronts Trump screwed up...is it that you even disagree he screwed up his pandemic response despite America being the worst hit country, and despite Covid not disappearing November 4 like he promised? Edit: do you not think it likely a trump response plan could be improved on?

There's so much to fix, like a looming depression, looming homeless armies about to be evicted, payback of the payroll tax holiday, new war with Iran, revision of our Russian policies, international relationships to mend, internal civil unrest, complete erosion of trust in law enforcement, 4 more years of completely ignoring infrastructure, treaties to rejoin, etc. He needs every second available to be as briefed on everything so he doesn't repeat Trump's ignorance of policy and law leading to more trumpian mistakes of ignorance and bravado, costing more lives.

greatgooglymoogly said:

You seem to be under the impression nothing is being done to prepare for distribution already. You're sadly misinformed.
There is already widespread preparation to distribute the vaccine once it is approved, tens of millions of doses are being manufactured and stored. There is coordination between the army, pharmacies, states, and nursing homes for the delivery. There won't be much left for Biden to do other than continue the program health professionals have created. It shouldn't need to be said, but I give Trump no credit for this.

If Biden has a plan explaining how the following is bad policy and will cost lives, please point me to his policy paper outlined his improvements.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/downloads/COVID-19-Vaccination-Program-Interim_Playbook.pdf

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-vaccine-distributed-approved-fda/story?id=73889186

Hexagons are the Bestagons | CGP Grey

moonsammy says...

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Should seven maximum channel number limits, for video submissions, be increased? (User Poll by ant)

eric3579 says...

You wouldn't use seven generally if they were chosen properly (the way they are defined by channel creator). I do however find it ridiculous to have to know a definition that is not completely obvious by the name of the channel. I'd prefer completely removing many of the channels as they don't seem to serve much of a point. Also i'd limit channels to 4 or 5. ones that actually help describe what a video is about. Less is more when it comes to channels being of any real use(IMO).

Judge Barrett isn't worth considering

newtboy says...

She refused to answer most questions relative to the job...and was dumbfounded by the most basic, simple question. If he hadn't told her there are five rights she would have answered "freedom of speech" and thought she answered well. She only answered softball questions and pats on the back before this. I can do that all day long.

Oh Bobby. Did bad man make Bobby cwy huwt? Yes, orangutan's bad, but he's not alone. I obviously see far more than just rage, but it is enraging for patriots to see a convicted con man and thief in the Whitehouse costing us trillions and hundreds of thousands of deaths being propped up by our enemies.

No Bob, I clearly don't prefer republicans who fit the definition you came up with...uneducated in crime, that doesn't fit the criminal republicans unless you mean uneducated in fighting crime, then check, rat infected Republican cities (big towns, but we'll humor you) that fits, debauchery (congratulations on looking up the spelling) holy shit does that describe Republicans more than democrats, keeping poor people poor, check republicans, doubly so if you make that poor black people.

Sorry sweetheart. Red Tsunami 2018 + 2020

2020- thanks trump.

bobknight33 said:

Trollboy She is qualified and worthy of the position.

She missed 1 basic question in 15 hours+ of hearings with out notes.



Who among us can do that? Who has done that?

I realize you don't understand this stuff because all you see is orange man bad. Blind rage has indeed blinded you. OR maybe you just prefer the party of debauchery, keeping black people poor ,uneducated in crime/rat infected Democrat cities.


MEGA landslide 2020

Judge Barrett isn't worth considering

bobknight33 says...

Trollboy She is qualified and worthy of the position.

She missed 1 basic question in 15 hours+ of hearings with out notes.



Who among us can do that? Who has done that?

I realize you don't understand this stuff because all you see is orange man bad. Blind rage has indeed blinded you. OR maybe you just prefer the party of debauchery, keeping black people poor ,uneducated in crime/rat infected Democrat cities.


MEGA landslide 2020

newtboy said:

Lol. Right. More projection. Sorry sunshine, I'm pretty certain I've established a reputation for multiple legitimate sources and verifying my claims in stark contrast to you who only sites illegitimate and unverified far right Russian based internet media.

I seriously doubt that you listened or watched, and I know if you did you didn't understand 4/5 of it. I guess you were totally full of shit saying you're employed and going in to work then.

So, a nominee who can't answer the most basic questions about the constitution should be confirmed as one of 9 people who interpret it? Knowing it forwards and backwards would seem a bare minimum requirement...but not for you or trump, you need a justice who's ignorant of the constitution to get her to ignore and violate it for you. Enjoy the new 19 justice court with 10 new seats filled by Biden and an amendment making adding more unconstitutional. Because we can is now the standard set by Republicans, they have zero legitimacy complaining, and will have zero power to stop it.

So cute, sweety. Pretending to be informed. That's just precious, doll.

How Ankylosaurs Got Their Clubs

newtboy says...

Ankylosaurus magniventrishas always been my favorite. Huge (33' and around 8 tons) and one of the spikiest of all ankylosaurs. My favorite dinosaur of all time.
I prefer the theory that it's both false head and weapon. Dinosaurs often didn't have great vision so a false head doesn't have to be very convincing. Getting a predator to attack the club would put it in perfect striking range, the tails weren't as flexible as crocodiles or iguanas, and 8 ton giant bearded dragons don't spin on a dime.
*promote a *quality beast.

Biden waves to missing crowd.

newtboy says...

Lol. Finally watched this drivel, it's a secure tarmac, and yet busloads of people were there to wave at.

🤦‍♂️

You got one thing right, @bobknight33, no one cares that you don't comprehend security at airports, or that we're in an escalating pandemic thanks to Trump's failure to lead, be honest, or even take responsibility for anything, preferring to blame any scapegoats that aren't him....some leader you got there.

The Supreme Court: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

newtboy says...

Bwaaahahaha! YOU....think I'M gullible?!? That's rich.

Dems are cheating with mail in voting? Again, I refer you to the dozens of prosecuted cases of people committing vote fraud 2016 and later, involving thousands and thousands of votes....all Republicans.
Mail in voting isn't new, and we're in the beginning stage of a pandemic (thanks to zero leadership besides dangerous lies directing people to the worst, most dangerous behaviors), before it became another propaganda wing even the CDC said in person voting was an unacceptable risk guaranteed to extend the epidemic here and kill voters, and absentee voting was the preferred method.

Bobski, it's been clear for years you are a tool of a foreign power hostile to the U.S., as you cheer every degradation of America and bemoan any positive progress on any issues.

...my "just a gullible tool of the left" what? Can you finish a thought?
Cheet with main in voting....lol.

F....have your supervisor contact me, comrade.

bobknight33 said:

Newt your just a gullible tool of the left.
Dems are trying to cheet with main in voting. Americans wont stand for it.


Biden Tax plan, No thanks. MEGA Landslide 2020

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Professor Brian Harvey On Why Not To Cheat

BSR says...

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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/natashaumer/cats-eat-your-face-after-you-die

Oh! And if you can be on the first floor when you go I would appreciate it a lot! Thanks in advance. Have a good trip!

kir_mokum said:

you should definitely do drugs. not like all the drugs and certainly not all the time but definitely some of the drugs some of the time.

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