"its my job to know" is an extremely limbaugh-ian argument (im related to them)
i was arguing with one of my dads last night (the limbaugh one) about global warming, i got alot of "because i stay informed"s as his reasoning that there was no climate change.

but apparently if you break it down like this
"do you really really believe that cutting down all the trees, chopping the tops off of mountains, burning all coal, dumping all of our trash into the oceans, over fishing everything out of it and burning petroleum to our hearts content ISNT going to hurt anything?!?" ... they resist for a while, but if you stick to that point, they usually relent and then you can start to move forward.
ive had lots of success with that recently.

Who benefits from a continued disbelief in anthropogenic climate change?

- Corporations benefiting from society's century old petroleum and coal based addiction. See - Top Corporations.
- People who would rather not feel guilty, and rather not make a small effort to conserve for the future.

Who benefits from a shift to low carbon emitting energy sources?

- my children.

^Netrunner is right. FOX has no interest in objective journalism. They are a right wing propaganda outfit and Chavez understands this. FOX doesn't give a shit about the holocaust, they dislike Chavez because he nationalized Venezuela's petroleum industry.

Well, it's not really vacuum sealed. It's more like he melted thin plastic onto the food, I wouldn't recommend using this as a common practice since, after all, plastic is made from petroleum and contains a considerable amount of carcinogens when ingested.

>> ^bcglorf:
That's all fine and good, but can one honestly say Iraq would be more stable after an internal revolt than it is now?


God, you're a fucking pig.

Saddam was our guy. He was tricked into invading Kuwait. See April Glaspie. He would have done pretty much anything he was told, other than turn his nation's oil over to the global petroleum concerns.

The Iraqi people did not invite us into their country. We've killed over a million of them and yet, people like you insist this is a good thing.

Obama's wrong.

I don't know why he insists on kissing conservative ass, but it will come back to haunt him.

You're an intellectually lazy man.

You don't even know about April Glaspie, do you?

The USA is responsible for more Iraqi deaths than Saddam.

And at the time Saddam was killing all of those people, the Kurds and the "uprisers" in the south, America was either cheering him on or turning a convenient, blind eye to the affair.

But somehow you think that's a good thing.

And yes, the Iraqi's have had the bad end of the stick for a long time, most of it with the FULL support of the USA. And now instead of us abusing them by the proxy cruelty of Saddam, we're doing it all by ourselves.

And that isn't counting the people wounded, traumatized, and forced to flee as refugees.

You willingly contributed to a war crime, and now you'll spend the rest of your life making excuses for it.

"This will NATURALLY allow a more competitive access to the country's commercial assets because they arent regulated by a mongoloid tyrant."

You just said that it is a good thing that Iraq's resources are opened up to allow access by non-Iraqi entities. You just said that it's okay for Iraq to no longer be powerful enough to protect its own oil from the exploitation of global petroleum concerns.

From the Alaskan Gov's website:

Selected Accomplishments of the Palin Administration

General

Transferred more control of public issues to the local level Natural Resources
Created the Petroleum Systems Integrity Office to oversee responsible development
Held the line for Alaskans on Point Thomson that encouraged drilling
Restructured the state’s oil taxes to create a clear and equitable valuation formula for our oil and gas
Initiated and implemented the largest energy project in the world through the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act
Removed government from the dairy business and put it back into private-sector hands

Ethics

Ushered in ethics reform
Cleaned up previously accepted unethical actions affecting development

Fiscal Notes

Slowed the rate of government growth
Worked with the Legislature to place billions of dollars in savings
Vetoed hundreds of millions of dollars in capital budget line items
Reduced Alaska’s dependence on federal earmarks by nearly 85%
Eliminated state-funded personal luxuries like the jet, the chef, and junkets
Refused a pay raise, along with the Lieutenant Governor

Education

Provided unprecedented support for education initiatives Public Safety
Filled long-vacant public safety positions over the last year

Corrections

Broke ground on the new state prison

Fish and Game

Maintained biologically-sound wildlife management for abundance Environment
Established first sub-Cabinet on climate change

Legal

State’s rights protected in two recent victories handed down by the U.S. Supreme Court

"Pretty soon they're going to be going to war without a declaration...."

Oh, yeah, we've never seen that before.

You wanna save America? Lock up 1000 of the most powerful people in finance, petroleum, big pharma, and the military profiteers, seize their assets, half their earnings, and throw a party.

Of those 1000 people, probably well over half will have their fingers in each of the industries mentioned.

Yes, in terms of CO2 emissions, an electric car (coal powered) beats the crap out of combustion engines. (CO2 is a bullshit problem when you consider what the warming of the north atlantic will do... CO2 absorbtion/out gassing from the atlantic will make car emissions look like your penis sitting on top of Mt. Everest)

In the US, 50% of electricity generation is coal. 20% is nuclear, 15% is natural gas, 6% is petroleum.

>> ^joedirt:
"Not a single drop of gasoline"
WHAT A DUMB CUNT!
You know how much more petroleum is wasted by converting to AC, transmitting to your house, then charing your car, then storing in DC batteries.

As stated before, very little petroleum is wasted by conversion, do you think mechanics operate on petroleum? Comversion to electric uses less petroleum than one tank of gas I would bet. I'm assuming you meant the conversion of the vehicle, not the conversion of the energy source.

The electric grid is NOT petroleum based here in Cali., so the idea that you are using petroleum to power the grid, and then the car is just plain ignorant, you ignorant ....

What an ignorant fuck, compared to refining oil, shipping gasoline to gas station, then filling up a car. Even with a horrible burn ratio in a combustion engine (most of the energy goes into heat and friction), your petroleum goes a ton further.


Explain, goes a ton further than what? Please think in complete sentences, or at least complete thoughts. I can only assume you think the idea here is to take a small petroeum generator, refine and ship petroleum to the generator, run the generator to create AC power, transmit the power across a few hundred miles of lines, convert to DC (I like that you actually suggest charging the car and batteries with AC power in your thought process), and power the car and batteries. I ask, are you intentionally ignorant of the processes, or just retarded? Even if that was how it works, you ignore the fact that the fuel is refined for and shipped to both systems (generator and car), so remove that part of your equation. The motors used for electrical generation with petroleum are ridiculously more effecient than your car's combustion engine, probably by a factor of 4. The small amount of energy lost to heat in transmission and conversion to DC power is FAR less than the energy lost to heat by a car motor. Converting electricity to kenetic energy is far more effecient than combustion engines too. Even with ALL the losses you mention, which do not exist in every situation, electric vehicles are still ridiculously more effecient than petroleum vehicles.

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WHAT A DUMB CUNT!

>> ^joedirt:
"Not a single drop of gasoline"
WHAT A DUMB CUNT!
You know how much more petroleum is wasted by converting to AC, transmitting to your house, then charing your car, then storing in DC batteries.
What an ignorant fuck, compared to refining oil, shipping gasoline to gas station, then filling up a car. Even with a horrible burn ratio in a combustion engine (most of the energy goes into heat and friction), your petroleum goes a ton further.
(Now if Tom Hanks had a video about his solar power plant in his backyard, this would be a different story, but CA steals all its power from other states like a big welfare mom.. and that power is mostly coal and oil.


I'm not even going to start on how incorrect you are about relative efficiencies, but less than 2% of the US's electricity comes from oil, dude.

Sources of Electricity in the USA

>> ^joedirt:
"Not a single drop of gasoline"
WHAT A DUMB CUNT!
You know how much more petroleum is wasted by converting to AC, transmitting to your house, then charing your car, then storing in DC batteries.
What an ignorant fuck, compared to refining oil, shipping gasoline to gas station, then filling up a car. Even with a horrible burn ratio in a combustion engine (most of the energy goes into heat and friction), your petroleum goes a ton further.
(Now if Tom Hanks had a video about his solar power plant in his backyard, this would be a different story, but CA steals all its power from other states like a big welfare mom.. and that power is mostly coal and oil.


Here's the difference though...you have a petroleum based car and that is your only option...petroleum. You have an electric car and then your options are wide open...coal and oil? Sure...but your not limited to just that..solar, wind, nuclear, hydroelectric, hydrogen, manure, geothermal, etc... Some of these things such as wind or solar are things that you could conceivably generate yourself.

"Not a single drop of gasoline"

WHAT A DUMB CUNT!

You know how much more petroleum is wasted by converting to AC, transmitting to your house, then charing your car, then storing in DC batteries.

What an ignorant fuck, compared to refining oil, shipping gasoline to gas station, then filling up a car. Even with a horrible burn ratio in a combustion engine (most of the energy goes into heat and friction), your petroleum goes a ton further.

(Now if Tom Hanks had a video about his solar power plant in his backyard, this would be a different story, but CA steals all its power from other states like a big welfare mom.. and that power is mostly coal and oil.

Misinformed commentary on this video.

1. Dubai's revenues are mostly from tourism, trade, real estate and financial services. Revenues from petroleum and natural gas contribute less than 6% (2006) of Dubai's US$ 37 billion economy (2005).

2. Alcohol and women are readily available in Dubai, prostitution is a large problem not addressed or mentioned by the authorities. Drugs are almost impossible to get however.

3. Investment in the real estate market was mostly based outside of Dubai, and has been ballooning for many years, the belief was as in the West that investors could ride out the wave before it collapsed. Demand is also mostly foreign. Commonly buildings are built with ownership rights sold in other nations, before a single brick is laid. This requires alot of down payment on which the actual company takes very little risk. Now multiple that by several folds magnitude and you have the large real estate market created.

4. The collapse is beneficial to Dubai as rent rates have been reaching absurd levels for the long time. However this will not affect Dubai's growth in the long term.

considering that most commercially available hydrogen comes as a byproduct of the petroleum industry (particularly, natural gas), hydrogen doesn't particularly solve the dependence on the oil and gas barons.

Also, they list the FCX's range, but don't tell us the size of the tank so we can calculate mileage. Given that, by their own admission, hydrogen is the same price as petrol, mileage would be a critically important issue to address.