>> ^NordlichReiter:
Utter Stupidity.
To think that porking a woman is going to protect your from a bullet or an 105 millimeter air burst howitzer shell.
I am going to go back to reading the god delusion.
The stupidity is, astounding.


Actually, a lot of times they are still using machetes to clean out villages the old fashioned way

Why didn't she argue against that dumb wait in line logic? Waiting in line for a consumer good is a hell of a lot less important than waiting in line to vote, which is a constitutional right given to all citizens of this country that can, in effect, drastically change the way this country is ran, for better or worse.

So I say get off your wrinkly ass and make some changes damnit!

Why do these cities even have electronic voting machines in the first place? Everyone here in Oregon received pamphlets by mail (far as I know). Simply fill in the bubble and mail it off! Most everyone here got there votes mailed off a few days ago.

I can only see voting machines doing any good as a supplement to mail-in pamphlets in larger metropolitan areas or in places that have no mail access, in which case people would just do it the old fashioned way and vote on paper at the local school gym or city hall.

>> ^imstellar28:
1. By the way, why are you defaming someone who died almost 40 years ago? If she was alive today, would you have the courage to say what you're saying if you met her?
2. I'm not imposing anything on anyone, how could I? My philosophy explictly forbids violence, while your philosophy explicitly requires it.
3. Altruism is an ideal which rarely manifests itself in reality. People pretend they are altruistic because they think it is a virtue. It is not. Those who pretend to be good are frauds, and worse than those who are bad but honest. You don't appear to be "altruistic"--you just want to force others to be "altruistic". Selfishness is a good thing. You wouldn't be breathing if your genes (and your ancestors they drove) weren't selfish.
4. I am not concerned with my demeanor because you (and others) will think I am crazed just because of the beliefs I hold, regardless of the manner in which I convey them. Case in point, you consider Ayn Rand to have a psychological imbalance when I am aware of no public instances when she has failed to be articulate and polite. She disagrees with your opinion, and writes entire books explaining why you are wrong, and all you can muster is "she is mentally ill"

This entire argument comes down to the answer to a single question "Do you believe it is moral to initiate violence against another human being" . My answer is no.
Socialism is not possible without the initiation of violence. If thats what you want, fine, but don't pretend you have the moral high ground because you are robbing houses in order to donate to a cancer fund. You aren't altruistic, noble, moral, or good--you are just another tyrant who uses violence as a means to their ends.


1. Debate technique, pure and simple. Pushing your buttons, since you were trying to push mine (and many others'). I'm not sure what I'd say to Rand if I had a chance to meet her, but I think I'd phrase it as a question, whatever it was. "Don't you think it's possible your philosophy is a major psychological reaction to your childhood?", possibly.

2. Perhaps it's a bit of a strawman argument on my part. When you say "fuck democracy" in the context of a general rant about some extreme ideology, it makes me think about people like Timothy McVeigh, not Patrick Henry. To get to where you want to go, you either need to get 1000 times more persuasive and use "majority oppression" to get your ideology implemented, or start a revolution the old-fashioned way, with guns. Otherwise you're just being a pissant.

3. Where does the altruistic desire come from, if not from our genes? That said, you claim that my pushing for more government projects to aid the poor & middle class is not altruistic? Why? Because you see all government action as "force" or "slavery"? It's not my problem you're crazy. That said, I think I'd benefit directly from things like a middle-class tax cut, and government healthcare plans, and indirectly from aid given to the poor. Maybe I'm just appropriately selfish, and insufficiently fundamentalist about market economics for you.

4. Psychological imbalance doesn't necessarily mean she rants and raves and calls people's beliefs shitburgers, or the people themselves cows, though it can manifest itself that way too. I'll confess to being rather psychologically imbalanced myself -- take a look at those posts people have shared about their "Personal top 10" channels. Mine's very different from other people's, and skewed hard towards politics. It doesn't mean I'm incapable of being polite, or stringing together coherent sentences, it just means I'm not very balanced in what I'm interested in. I hope I'll get a little more balanced once this damnned election is finally done, though.

As to your closing argument, you're assuming your premise. It's not about initiation of violence, it's about enforcing a contract.

You are (I assume) a citizen of the United States. You may have been made one automatically by birth, but you can rescind that at any time, and leave. In short, you participate in our government by voluntary contract, and enforcing contracts seems to be a government action you libertarians like, even if violence is necessary.

Socialism is perfectly fine, in your view, if it's done by voluntary contract, right? Or do you espouse a belief that government should regulate economic activity to exclude socialistic communes...like city governments?

I don't use violence any more than you do, I also just speak my mind, and work within the existing system to try to make the things I want happen. You want to destroy the system itself, and that's pretty violent in my mind.

Awesome. I was really tired of sticking legos up my ass the old fashioned way.

This video made me think of something...

I always try to find faster and more efficient ways of doing things, but watching this made me realize that I really admire people for still doing things the "old fashioned way". Seeing the final pictures made me realize that all the hard work does pay off. As he said, they may not seem grand by any nature, but that is not the intent of his artwork.

I commend him for his efforts into this field of work.

Papers please! Ve hef need ov identifikation komrad!

If you get a new passport, take a hammer to the RFID chip. Your passport will still be usable. Just when they try to use RFID, it won't work. They'll just do it the old fashioned way.

Rubber gloves anyone?

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Sorry folks, having some troubles with Spore. It likes to crash whenever I try to upload.


You don't have to upload the vids through spore, it'll save them to a directory and you can upload them to youtube the old fashion way.

Oh, here are mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8YLfKCGbVs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDEpHhaZF8k

I dont like it, but I guess I can live with it. I'd rather have a hide/collapse button for long posts that I've read (or ignored, the old fashioned way )

While I'm not fond of having an ignore function, I do think it's a necessary evil.

As I understand it, it doesn't allow someone to completely blind themselves to reality -- they'll still see the ignored person's videos, and that they'd left a comment, and with a click of the button they can view the text of the comment.

I don't plan on using it, though given that this is at least in part prompted by an incident I was part of, I want to say that I did not make any appeal to admins about the issue, and at no point was I thinking of leave the sift over anything anyone said.

If anything, I feel guilty for not just refraining from comment, and ignoring what was said the old fashioned way. Maybe having an ignore tool would've made a difference, but I don't think so.

Still, there needs to be some sort of mechanism in place to deal with situations where disagreements turn into harassment. An ignore tool is probably the least intrusive method to use.

There's plenty of room for everybody here in Canada. We still vote the old fashioned way -- with a piece of paper and a pencil.

Terrific information to find out. Guess I'll stick to raising my serotonin the old fashioned way... using ecstasy on the weekend.

"Donated his sperm as a friend" - Is it me, or does that make it sound like he knocked her up the old fashioned way?

Ok, I even put up a PUBLIC email. I guess I'm gonna try out the "full" sift experience with nagging emails about stuff and stuff. (Here I've been enjoying VS in the old fashioned way of html only. Now I can enhance my addiction with emails. What they need in 3.0 is a siftbot AIM bot that IM's me everytime I get an upvote on my video.)

Where is the sift-AIM-bot?

That doesn’t even make any sense. How would that be enjoyable? Please ladies. just keep it the old fashion way.

Oh, and I also had a suggestion for a new invocation. What about a *resubmit invocation for our videos that have expired in the queue? Kind of like *save, only you can do it to your own videos, and it'll wipe the slate clean as for as votes. Just a thought. I suppose you could just resubmit the old fashioned way, but I get annoyed that the title has to be changed, and an invocation would just be faster and less hassling.