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>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

I disagree that the government needs to "create a market for something". If it is one thing governments are very poor at doing is creating markets for things. People do this better and faster than government think tanks. I do however support new understandings in pollution in how it interacts with property rights. If you clog my air with filth, there has to be some legal ramification to that. It is due time to assess how property is defined in terms of air, water, and the like, I welcome that conversation.
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I don't mean "create a market" meaning "we're going to use subsidies and taxes to make something that isn't economically viable on its own popular", I mean literally create a market as in "we're going to stop people from taking other people's stuff".

Read up more on the theory and practice of cap and trade. For real-world results, look at the sulfur cap-and-trade they implemented in the 70's to combat acid rain.

The basic idea is that we get an independent read on how much CO2 capacity there is in the environment, and then auction off tradeable permits for emissions. The market sets the price via supply and demand.

Has Nader taken responsibility yet for being such a negative influence on liberalism? A lot of people will have been affected by the Iraq war, justices Roberts and Alito for the next 30 years, and the worst oil spill in US history.

Being a leader carries responsibility, even if the masses will follow the same leaders no matter what. Taking responsibility is good because it implies a person will try in the future to avoid the error in reasoning that led to the mission failure.

Taking responsibility also protects the reputation of liberalism. Defend it with your life.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

I remain cautiously agnostic for several reasons. I think mostly, though, is that it has never been sufficiency shown to my liking that warming temperatures are bad.

You should read up some more on the concept of climate change feedback. Ice and snow are more reflective than open ocean and land, if it all melts, it will make the planet warmer.

The polar caps are also known to have large bubbles of methane and CO2 in them, if the ice melts, they will be released into the atmosphere, adding to the warming effect.

As for government's involvement, what supposed small government people are prioritizing is making gas and electricity as cheap as possible, by trying to stop attempts to price carbon, limit pollution, and limit environmental risks by putting moratoriums on deep water drilling.

There is a big agribusiness lobby that pushes ethanol (whose environmental pluses are marginal to nonexistent), but there are much still much bigger subsidies for oil and coal.

Most environmentalists want to end the subsidies of oil and coal (and ethanol for that matter) and replace them with wind and solar subsidies -- and we're stopped by conservatives and corporatists screaming about how statist and tyrannical that would be because it would distort the market.

To really let the government get out of way, you need for the government to create a market for carbon and pollution credits and let the free market find the true price of environmental damage. Insisting that pollution should remain an unowned communal dumping ground is not a free market policy at all -- it's communism, plain and simple.

>> ^mgittle:

My housemate was just talking to this Catholic chick tonight who's an administrator for a non-profit that sends missionaries overseas. He made a comment that he'd love to take a cruise to Alaska and see the glaciers before they're gone. She says we can all rest easy...global warming isn't a threat because the ozone layer is repairing itself.
1. The ozone layer problem is over Antarctica, not Alaska.
2. Ozone depletion has to do with UV light and is not significant in relation to global warming.
Fuck I wish I had been there to tell her she's an idiot. This is the problem that allows banks and corporations to do whatever they want. Mass ignorance, no ability to think critically, and willful disregard of facts. Unbelievably frustrating.


Well ozone depleting chemicals are also greenhouse gasses, so they aren't completely unrelated. And the north pole also sees ozone depletion and smaller holes from time to time. Global climatology isn't easy, especially for the layman. With many different political groups struggling for power, you do have to be suspect of a lot of the information out there. I prefer to remain cautiously agnostic on the matter. However I think we can all agree that dumping hundreds of millions of tons of dinosaur wine (even though Mesozoic was such a good year) into the ocean isn't a good idea!

Cheers, O hoarder of power points!

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I definitely appreciated his linking the connection between BP & the oil spill with the US government bailing out big banks & Wall Street and saying corporations are buying the government out from under our feet. So True!!!

>> ^volumptuous:

important
And seriously, how much mental gymnastics does one need to do in order to believe that manmade pollution doesn't destroy this planet?


Well, in this case, it doesn't take much as BP is taking an active role in directly destroying it instead of just passively! In a way, it's pure innovation, way to go BP! (dies a little inside, but in the name of comedy!)

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Thanks!!

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anytime brother.good post.

>> ^rgroom1:

I have to say, the samples that he collected and sent in looked to be from a "tarball" and a lot of surface foam. This may be making the problem look much worse than it is. I would rather have the sample be under the foam in the water.
I'm not downplaying the problem, just pointing out bad science.


When solvents are being used, that doesn't matter.

http://videosift.com/video/TED-The-Gulf-Oil-Spill-s-Unseen-Culprits-and-Victims

I am not trying to be contrary with everyone, but the spill is most likely far worse than we can even imagine right now. And getting worse with each passing day. And will stay horrible for generations to come. I have the same kind of hopeful denial that others seem to be expressing here, but it is really, really bad.

Thanks!!

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http://nature.videosift.com/talk/The-Gulf-Oil-Spill-has-made-it-s-way-onto-The-Sift <<< oh noes!!!

This is a partial of http://videosift.com/video/Anderson-Cooper-Govt-Bans-Press-From-Filming-BP-Oil-Spill

The first 4 minutes.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

I'll take this as not a troll - and reply: so do oil spills and the Mafia. "Provides jobs" is cart before the horse thinking- and never a reason to permit something like this.>> ^mgittle:

BUT THE CHEMICAL COMPANIES PROVIDE LOTS OF JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!@$# %)(@ ^%)@$^&

In other news, nearly every person that worked on the Exxon Valdez oil spill in 1989 is now DEAD.