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Taking Personal Responsibility for Your Health

newtboy says...

OK, assuming what you say is correct (I'm not taking the time now to check) you have a point, but the stats, even if only 1/2 as bad as it seems, still show there's absolutely no equivalence.

Well, if you ate like that, no wonder you think meat is deadly. Eating like that, it is. Eaten in moderation, meaning <50g of CURED meats, and probably less than 1/3 lb of non cured lean red meats, the conclusion I came to is reasonable....that it's in no way comparable to smoking in it's danger. it's not even comparable if you eat 5 times the studied portion of cured meats, although it is clearly not healthy to do so. I eat < 1/2 lb of steak, on the rare occasions I eat it. I eat 1/2 a chicken breast on a normal day, baked. Because I eat good meat, properly prepared, in moderation, there's little to no statistical increase in danger to my health over eating pure vegetarian.

No sir, your stats are wrong....here's direct from the WHO.....
http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
12. How many cancer cases every year can be attributed to consumption of processed meat and red meat?

According to the most recent estimates by the Global Burden of Disease Project, an independent academic research organization, about 34 000 cancer deaths per year worldwide are attributable to diets high in processed meat.
Eating red meat has not yet been established as a cause of cancer. However, if the reported associations were proven to be causal, the Global Burden of Disease Project has estimated that diets high in red meat could be responsible for 50 000 cancer deaths per year worldwide.
These numbers contrast with about 1 million cancer deaths per year globally due to tobacco smoking, 600 000 per year due to alcohol consumption, and more than 200 000 per year due to air pollution.

So, it's 34000 cancer deaths for cured meats (and IF the correlative results with red meat are in fact causative, another 50000 worldwide for red meat) VS 1000000 cancer tobacco deaths. So no, it's not 2/3 there, it's at best, IF red meat is the cause of cancers at the highest level possible (not at all proven) it's 1/12 of the way there....around 8.4%. Agreed, that's not good, but no where near what you (and he) claims.

Cholesterol and saturated fat only MAY cause heart disease and diabetes, not 'do without a doubt', and then usually only in high levels (in normal people). They raise the risk factor for those diseases, but do not automatically cause heart disease and/or diabetes, even in people with incredibly high levels.

Research indicates that you missed the mark with the 644000 number, it's more like 34000 (and maybe another 50000, unproven) according to the WHO, I'll take the stats of the organization whose study is being discussed.

So if you look at the real numbers, it's still not comparable at all. Cancer, and death rates are orders of magnitude different, far more than 10 times higher for smoking with every possible benefit of a doubt given to meats toxicity/effects, so not at all easily matched. Sorry.

(and you also appear to be 100% wrong about cancer survivability)
http://www.Cancer.org -Colon cancer-For stage IIB cancer, the survival rate is about 63%. The 5-year relative survival rate for stage IIIA colon cancers is about 89%. For stage IIIB cancers the survival rate is about 69%, and for stage IIIC cancers the survival rate is about 53%.
http://www.lung.org - Lung cancer-The five-year survival rate for lung cancer is 54 percent for cases detected when the disease is still localized (within the lungs). However, only 15 percent of lung cancer cases are diagnosed at an early stage. For distant tumors (spread to other organs) the five-year survival rate is only 4 percent.

So, to summarize, colon cancer 53%-89% survivability (depending largely on when it's caught) VS lung cancer 4% (for 85% of cases, and 54% for the 15% of lucky few with early detections)

transmorpher said:

I'll address your linked report first because I have a problem with the statistics on there. It's a little misleading because the bit you mentioned only considers cancer deaths attributable with processed meats.

But then goes to includes all diseases attributable with smoking, not just cancer.
So it's not comparing cancer to cancer rates. The report is comparing processed meat cancer with ALL smoking diseases.

And this makes smoking look a lot worse. For a fair comparison we'd need to compare only smoking caused cancers to processed meat cancers.
Or we'd need to compare diseases from processed meat, to all diseases from smoking.

Further the report, states that it's an 18% risk for only 50g of processed meat.
I don't know about anyone else, but when I ate the stuff, it wasn't just 50g. That's like 3 chicken nuggets. I'd eat 9 at least in one sitting for lunch(150g). Maybe I had 2 rashers of bacon for breakfast, another 50g, and then I might have a few slices of salami for dinner, another 50g.

So in a day I might have eaten 250g of processed meat. So it might only be 18% chance to get cancer, but that's 5 times I've rolled the dice(250 divded by 50g = 5). So even low odds get pretty dangerous if you roll the dice often enough.


Right after that paragraph, it goes on to say that the total number of attributable deaths to processed meat is 644,000.

So now we're finally comparing apples with apples. 644,000 processed meat deaths vs. 1 million tobacco deaths.

Still smoking is the clear winner here, but it's 2/3 the way there. So to me Dr. Greger's statement is starting to ring true.

Of course Dr. Greger isn't only talking about processed meat, he's talking about all meat, including poultry and fish too. Because just like processed meat, they have cholesterol and saturated fat which causes heart disease and diabetes without a doubt.
The heart disease statistics are (google says:) "An estimated 17.5 million people died from CVDs in 2012, representing 31% of all global deaths"
Now granted not all of these cardiovascular diseases will be diet related. But we only need to another 366,000 out of that 17.5 million to be caused by diet, and now we're comparing 1 million meat related deaths to 1 million tobacco related deaths.

So it's totally comparable in my eyes. And in the end, regardless of which has higher chances of cancer. The death rates are easily matched.

(not to mention colorectal cancer is kills more people, even though more people get lung cancer. Because lung cancer is more survivable).

Houston Helicopter Officer Lands and Tackles Suspect

radx says...

That stood out to me as well. The suspect wasn't even able to sprint before he was hit by the cruiser, which slowed him down even more. Yet the officer in the cruiser decided to just drive around instead of walking 10m to apprehend the guy.

And when he got out, the first thing he did was kick the suspect in the back.

No, sir, you are not fit to serve as an officer of the law.

dannym3141 said:

I love how that pilot sprints in like a 100m Olympian, finally gets the guy on the floor, at which point a fat cop jumps out of his car, waddles over at full speed and puts the boot in!

Disc Golf Ace (Hole In One) Through The Woods

newtboy says...

No sir. Many people use a skip shot. It can be aimed, but also can be deflected by small rocks on the ground, so it's incredibly hard to get right consistently. I have a friend that uses this shot every time on certain holes, and I've seen him hit it numerous times.

wraith said:

Since the Frisbee hit the ground before hitting the "hole", he had no way of aiming for that. I call that luck, not skill.

World's Dumbest Cop

newtboy says...

No sir....on all counts.

A cop's job is to 'serve and protect', to uphold the law, and promote public safety, not to pull over hot chicks in hopes he can trick them out of a blow job with the false promise of no ticket, not to perform public sex acts while shirking the job.

Corruptibility is not reduced when you allow those in power to accept any 'gift', it's amplified, because it now allows them to illegally sell their services and always claim they only took a gift.

Society only gains there if the cop PAY'S us that 'value' for receiving the valuable blow job AND gives back the money we paid him for that time period AND finds someone else qualified to do the job we were paying him to do....(or do we not need cops on the job, and it's just as good to have them off getting BJ's instead?) Since you want to give it to him for nothing, we totally lose, only the cop profits, not society. Does that really need to be said? We paid him for his time, she also 'paid' him, he didn't do what EITHER of us 'paid' him to do. Everyone but him lost...until he was caught, now we've all lost (we also lose all the money spent to train him, btw)

gorillaman said:

The cop's job is to catch people speeding and give them tickets. Seems to be exactly what he did.

The corruptibility of those in public office would be substantially reduced if the general expectation were that they would openly enjoy any extra-organisational perquisites available to them while continuing to perform their office in an objective fashion.

What's more, from a utilitarian perspective the value of the service provided to that cop probably dramatically exceeds the cost to the public purse of a few minutes of his salaried time lost. As an overall result, society has made a profit on the transaction. If anything, therefore, it would have been irresponsible of him to decline the opportunity to, shall we say, mouth-holster his pink pork pistol.

The Daily Show - Legends of the Stall

Driver Beaten And Tazed As St Louis Police Shut Off Dashcam

newtboy says...

Just reporting what you said repeatedly in the recent past. The race card is appropriate to play against people who bring up race all the time as an excuse to 'fear' or 'suspect' others.
Interesting that that's the only thing you disagree with.
No sir, you are the one who lives in the fantasy world where cops are never wrong, a tiny fantasy creation of a pathetically self serving mind. The world I live in is enormous and varied.
I offered to sift 'good cop' videos for you (that aren't BS PR stunts) if you can find them, long ago. Not one have you found.

lantern53 said:

Playing the race card, again, you are truly pathetic. What a small world you live in.

Sarah Palin after the teleprompter freezes

newtboy says...

No sir, you are the one who claims the democrats had, and spent more money in the last 2 elections, and now that the republicans are the champion of the middle class (rather than it's most fervent enemy)....apparently because Faux told you so. I propose YOU are living in opposite land.
The middle class, along with nearly everyone else (not the top 1%), was screwed long and hard by the Bush administration and republican congress. True enough the democrats didn't stop them, nor did they fully solve the disaster they were left with 6 years ago. It was not, however, democratic policies that decimated the middle class, nor was it democratic policy that kept it that way, it is the obstructionist republicans insisting on continuing their own disastrous policies, and democrats never insisting on an actual filibuster (by republicans) to halt political progress, but accepting the mere threat of filibuster and giving up far too easily.
Claiming that the republicans have or will work FOR the middle class is either disingenuous or coming from the completely uninformed. (EDIT: please note that the economy has ALWAYS done better under democratic leadership than it has under republican leadership....every cycle in the last 50+ years, and the economy has been the republicans main issue that entire time.) Remember, it's proven repeatedly that those who listen to/watch "fox news" are consistently LESS informed than those who watch/listen to NOTHING. I think that's what's happened here.

EDIT: Love the new, totally appropriate 'sad clown king' avatar!

bobknight33 said:

You are living in a opposite world. Everything you believe Democrat leadership stand for, they have delivered the opposite.


We can thank the disappearing middle class and the poor being worse off from 6 years of the failed leadership.
But on the bright side the rich are richer, Thank to Democrat leadership.

Well if you like the disappearing middle class keep voting Democrat.

Pixel

newtboy says...

No sir.
It is pre-rendered video (or really series of pre-rendered videos) some of them slightly 'tweaked' in semi-real time, most of them not, but not ever by tracking the dancers in real time, which was the whole point of my original post and the follow ups.
Synching the pre-rendered videos with the pre-recorded music is not 'real time rendering' any effects.
An image you 'tweak' on an ipad with your finger(s) to (poorly) SIMULATE real time effects BASED ON MOTION TRACKING is not at all the same thing as real time rendered projections ON DANCERS BASED ON MOTION TRACKING THE DANCERS AND MORPHING THE IMAGE TO THEIR POSITIONS. (apologies for the 'shouting', but you keep missing the point) I'm sorry that's hard for you to understand or admit.

EDIT: For it to be "real time renderings" it would HAVE to track the dancers...which you admit it does not....so I don't get how/why you want to argue a point you already conceded.

billpayer said:

@ChaosEngine the realitime comment was for @newtboy

@newtboy I never said they were tracking dancers. Only that it is a r-e-a-l-t-i-m-e animation not a pre-rendered video, which is 100% confirmed by the f-a-c-t that they are tweaking cameras, friction, gravity and viscosity in r-e-a-l-t-i-m-e

Mesmerizing Robot Sorts Batteries

FlowersInHisHair says...

Gotta sort... gotta keep sorting, sorting, sorting, sorting! Can't stop! So busy. Sorting! Gotta sort 'em! Sort, sort, sort, that's me. Yyyyup, sortin' all day! Sort sort sort. Can't stop, no sir! Sorting em all out! Sorting!

Law Student Prevails Over State Robot Thug

chingalera says...

OR chiccorea, SHALL WE DRAG, the entire sift community into your fucking therapy sesson, and make a deal of it, which I am VERY want to do. You have shown your ass here with regard to myself, are shitting once-again, on one of my posts, my comments, and you have a fucking problem that may very well cause my account to be unilaterally by admins stripped from me, and I consider ALL of my actions art in my life, INCLUDING my participation on this website.

You are forcing me to be this dick sir, and you have some real problems which are detrimental to this forum. Calling you out once again you pathetic asshole, what's it gonna be??

I'd be more than unhappy to have my account stripped from me by someone who obviously needs some hard-core therapy. You're socially inept and incite these incursions unilaterally with a view to my demise and I take issue with it. Does this make me your whipping-bitch?? Fuck that and no sir, it does not.

All you do here is hunt new submissions to see if you can ban someone for violations of rules, hassle me, and otherwise make benign, one-line comments with a brown-nose-finish as a thematic device.


*edit: I'll let this thread lay fallow or not and then take chichorreas's bullshit to the sift talk forum, I'm tired of one user's mental illness fucking with my place here....

newtboy (Member Profile)

chingalera says...

No sir, what is happening is that YOU seem to misunderstand that YOU continually misinterpret and take PERSONALLY almost every comment I make and you emotionally respond with personal insult and with faulty profiling with a view to seeing what makes you feel insecure simply go the fuck away....a fucking asterix MEANS one of two two things here: either someone fucked-up while entering a comment and rather than re-writing they simply place a character to avoid a blank space (the system code's unintuitive design disallows simply deleting the entire comment) and some people are confuses when they see a blank space).

What is truly sad is the manner in which you and your cohort doing the same shit (cutting and pasting my comments on mine and their own profile continually) take everything I have to write as a personal fucking attack (WHEN IT IS NOT) as the result of their insecurities and inability to process information or intent. You know VERY little of my history here as it has been filtered through whomever you've talked to and the very limited exchanges you have had with me in which you fail to communicate rather, you fucking assume what you will of my character then validate those feelings with more of your own confabulation......It's social dysfunction....impolite, uncivil, and wholly subjective, and your motivated by your own ignorance of my intent and fueled by an unwillingess to process information that does not suit your particular brand of social dysfunction.

Experienced this before....it's what makes YOU the hater, YOU the problem, and can either be an inroad to understanding or my demise, since I chose to engage certain problems or challenges rather than to simply ignore them.

Now as far as this particular exchange we are still in my estimation, having a conversation exchanging opinions, observations and ideas.....Should you once again try and turn it into some misinterpreted personal attack then justify a response similar to most of yours in the past, which quickly digress into personal attacks on my character and retarded assumptions well.....I'm going to either pound the admins until they respond appropriately or bring this shit out in the open forum in a sift talk post because quite frankly.....I will not have my account suspended because of someone's lack of
critical-thinking skills combined personal hatred for people, concepts, or opinions they find confusing or emotionally trying....

Comprehension is an issue for some my ass, you have a hard to see me fry and are willing to go the fucking distance to see it happen.....well fuck THAT and since you can;t seem to wrap your head around the concept, fuck privacy....The goddamn community-at-large needs to see what you are up to...

newtboy said:

I quoted you. Try reading what you wrote. I'll even copy it for you. Sure seemed directed at me, especially since you quoted my comment in the thread to tell me " * "...sure seemed like you needed me to read your comment, but then later thought better of what you wrote and tried to erase it (but couldn't make the contact go away completely).
It's funny and sad that the one who's been repeatedly banned and corrected with 'probations', and that get's in over the top verbal fights daily doesn't understand that they're the real problem. Comprehension is an issue for some.


chingalera said:

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and then said



Popularity be damned and at pennies on the dollar, the site has once again been wrested by a cabal of regular back-and-forthers, none particularly clever or interesting, whose banal commentary could fill a modest tome printed on onion skins, bound with viscous expectorates, and disposed of at one's next convenient expurgate repose the lucky hoarder having been thankful to have kept it for a fresher feeling behind after schnapps.

The World's Best Car: Chris Harris's Citroën 2CV

Yogi says...

No sir, the best car is a 1982 Mercedes Benz 300SD TurboDiesel. Can't kill it, runs like a relaxed dream, bought for $1,500.

Harrowing Footage of LGBT Beaten and Humiliated in Russia

chingalera says...

No sir. Sensible sane and rational people(sarcasm intended) would treat sponsorship of Olympic games similarly if sayyy, the Olympic committee used child labor or trashed the environment building the arena and got corporate sponsors behind them....Wouldn't we then have to listen to the same type of gimps, the same who trash their own powers of reason, come out of the wood-works to protest that horrifying scenario!?? Watch them boycott coco-cola and mc donalds then?



WHAT CREATES THE LOWER-CLASS PEOPLE anyway, duh???

All governments work the same dude, a few people force the masses to perform according to their rules or be fined or imprisoned.

Draaakonian bullshit.

Personally, I boycott coke and mc donalds because their food is non-nutritive shit that causes diabetic epidemics in adults and children-Less is more.

Besides, corporate sponsorship of anything is a waste of resources when the same could be used for advancement both physically and spiritually of the entire species.

It's 2014 sir, and pretty much ALL governments and law enforcement works on the same arcane model, be they called democracies or dictatorships....po-tay-to, fucking pa-tah-to

draak13 said:

How does this have anything to do with McDonald's, Coca Cola, and Corporate sponsorship of the olympics? Many low class people in america or every other country are the same kind of asshole...the only difference is how the governments and law enforcement work.

Cops try to raid garage sale

Expert Decides If Seattle Cop Used Excessive Force

chingalera says...

NO sir motherfuckers, you are dealt a blow to the face for an arm grab, by a shitty cop going straight into hind-brain like a fucking animal.

budzos said:

Sometimes I wonder about people. Are we all watching the same video?

You can't just decide a cop is in the wrong and start interfering with an arrest. The girl who got punched in the face DID grab the cop by the arm. I think the cop was perfectly justified in suddenly and forcefully asserting his authority. If he had failed to assert himself immediately, the situation might have gotten even uglier.

You can stand around yelling at the cops all you want, but seriously the moment you grab one, you've earned a punch in the face.



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