>> ^Payback:

>> ^Yogi:
I would argue that the US is still the best country in the world as far as Freedom of Speech is concerned. It was a really hard and constant battle, it wasn't given to us and we earned it. There's tons of European countries where you'll get arrested for denying the Holocaust...just stupid to give the state that power.

Your ENTIRE media is controlled by, at most, 3 men. Those 3 men tell 300 million people what reality is. Dissenting views are scorned, misrepresented, or ignored.
What good is free speech when then only way to talk to more than a few people at a time requires, literally, millions of dollars?
YAY! Your government cannot pass any law that hinders your opinions in any way. If you can't exercise that right because someone else yells louder than you can, is it even important to have?
The US government doesn't need to silence the masses. Rupert Murdoch et al do it for them.


You're bringing up a separate issue though. I was making the point that yes our government cannot hinder our opinions and that is more alive than ever. I used an example talking about what that means in relation to unpopular views. It simply staggers me that someone can be put in jail for their opinion in other countries because I am the beneficiary of a lot of hard work to earn our free speech.

Wasn't it just last month that a guy was jailed in England for making a racist tweet about Fabrice Muamba (the black footballer who collapse of a heart attack)? He said something racist and that's unpopular so he was put in jail. That's amazing to me, how could the government be given that power to decide what is out of line? What if they decide criticizing the government is out of line? That's a big deal, and it was an important battle over decades.

Now your separate issue you bring up is a very important one. It's sort of like giving someone freedom without giving them any ability. "Yes you are free to go make a million dollars...goodluck." You're correct in that it doesn't really work and that it's not fair. Our media system is awful and most americans know that, that doesn't prevent us from going around them much of the time through other mediums though. Your point is made but it maybe should be directed at someone who was arguing that we're perfect, rather than that we have freedom. I would love to discuss this with you though because I think you paint a bit of a bleak view...you just have to POST A VIDEO!

>> ^Yogi:

I would argue that the US is still the best country in the world as far as Freedom of Speech is concerned. It was a really hard and constant battle, it wasn't given to us and we earned it. There's tons of European countries where you'll get arrested for denying the Holocaust...just stupid to give the state that power.


Your ENTIRE media is controlled by, at most, 3 men. Those 3 men tell 300 million people what reality is. Dissenting views are scorned, misrepresented, or ignored.

What good is free speech when then only way to talk to more than a few people at a time requires, literally, millions of dollars?

YAY! Your government cannot pass any law that hinders your opinions in any way. If you can't exercise that right because someone else yells louder than you can, is it even important to have?

The US government doesn't need to silence the masses. Rupert Murdoch et al do it for them.

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>> ^BoneRemake:

I laughed like Ricky did


I know! When I watched it on TV in full context, I was howling with laughter. I think it's my favourite bit of this series.

I imagine that's why this was the last episode of Freedom Watch. It's no coincidence I'm sure. They did the same thing to Glenn Beck.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

I find it hilarious that this is on fox. The same network that supported the military industrial complex. The same network that championed the violation of privacy (hell it's owned by Murdoch, need I say more?).
If the republicans were still in charge there's no way in hell this would have aired.

I find it hilarious that this is on fox. The same network that supported the military industrial complex. The same network that championed the violation of privacy (hell it's owned by Murdoch, need I say more?).

If the republicans were still in charge there's no way in hell this would have aired.

>> ^StukaFox:

There's only two kinds of Republicans: Corporate tools and complete psychopaths.


You forgot the VAST majority: turkeys voting for christmas.

>> ^quantumushroom:

That's the problem with the Blame America First mindset, believing the rest of the world is made up of innocent countries populated by angels who NEVER fight, but then mean old USA comes along and look: WARS!
What will you do when red china and iran ignore the Golden Rule?


Well that's the point. The USA won't be able to do or say SHIT without being laughed at. Economic bullying, kidnapping, torture, murder, aggressive regime change, invasion of Taiwan, S Korea, anywhere with oil, use of nuclear weapons, mass obfuscation and propaganda, strongarming UN votes in its favor (no statehood for enemies of China's friends! WE WILL NOT ALLOW IT!!)


Trust me, even the most dull witted US reactionary will finally get the picture after a century or two of forlornly begging China not to be such an asshole.
And the answer they'll get from the uneducated, untravelled and increasingly obese 2 BILLION murdoch-viewing consumers? CHINESE EXCEPTIONALISM FTW!!!

How long can they continue to lie like this? Sooner or later, someone's going to have to put a stop to such blatant manipulations. Or we just give Murdoch the keys to the country and relearn to tug our forelocks when a nobleman rides by.

Her Aunt Anna was married to Rupert Murdoch for 31 years. Another fyi, 'Murdoch' with a capital M doesn't set off my spell checker... creepy fucker.

Dude, you quoted two Rupert Murdoch "news" organizations. Seriously, wtfbbq... Real nice diverse facts there to back you up. LOL...

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

The only thing you proved is there are idiots in every crowd.
This is certainly true. I in no way mean to imply that the offenses were representative of "all OWS participants". Obviously not all OWS people are doing these kinds of things. But there is enough of it going on though that it is becoming a serious issue with how the public views OWS as a whole.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082
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http://www.nypost.com/p/new
s/local/manhattan/angry_manhattan_residents_lambast_RjpTU0jG2z9yrgf5o4bRcO#ixzz1bPHgxmGZ
Manhattan residents are sick of them.

I don't think this is faked. I think this is a legitimate argument against for-profit interests moving in on public education. (As wonky as it may be.)

Mr Murdoch appeared as part of a two-day education forum sponsored by the Foundation for Excellence in Education, a group chaired by former Florida Governor Jeb Bush. It champions school vouchers, charter schools, performance pay for teachers and digital learning.
‘We need to tear down an education system designed for the 19th century and replace it with one suited for the 21st,’ Mr Murdoch said during his morning address.


/www.dailymail.co.uk



Does he mean to design a system for the wealthy to profit from?


The style of the protest was no doubt inspired by the satirical website, http://occupysesamestreet.org/

Yet more murdoch motherfuckers need to be put in prison.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

I'm sorry to hear about her debts.
Even more sorry that she's going to be out of a job.


She works for a Fox affiliate; essentially just a local channel that buys shows like the Simpsons and House from Fox Broadcasting. Unlike reporters at Fox News she isn't a Murdoch employee. I think she'll be fine.

McFarlane "How do you find out these things?"

Morgan visibly thinking, "Don't say because you remember all your phone-tapping skills from when you were an editor for Rupert Murdoch!"

>> ^cosmovitelli:

Piers Morgan is a shit stirring mercenary tabloid c t.
With any luck he'll be summoned back to the UK to answer for going through peoples bins and voicemails for the last 20 years along with the Murdoch monsters.
And then hung.
In case that's not clear, I don't really like him.


He's got a hell of an investigative crew though. Seth was genuinely amazed he found this crap out.