Geeeez, it's simple. CO2 rises either because of (lagging) warming or at least indirectly tied to warming. It doesn't matter how CO2 get there (nature or manmade) or how warming happens (solar output, cloud cover, or CO2).

Fact is that there are catastrophic cycles where warming happens and eventually ice ages happen. There are some feedback mechanisms involved (both open loop and closed loop). One of those feedback mechanisms is CO2. Humans have artificially pushed the CO2 levels to near record highs.

Either it doesn't matter and the planet with deal with it (like pushing a waiter carrying a tray of plates) or the extra CO2 will cause major climate problems. It doesn't seem too crazy to err on the side of caution.

Imagine you notice fever and high body temp seem to be somewhat correlated over your lifetime of observing fevers come and go. It may not matter that the flu causes it. It may not matter that putting you in a sauna doesn't cause fevers. What does matter is that you don't want to see how hot and how long you can stay in a sauna because you really don't want to get a fever and then sit around in a sauna.

Too many people involved who dont want to stand in front of the whole world as COMPLETE idiots who only wanted money.

Please, just fucking PLEASE try to THINK for one moment, is this conspiracy really something even the most twisted, brainwashed nutters out there really could believe in? How did it get started? were they just wrong from the start?, when did they figure that out? when was the near unanimous decision not to tell the world made? Think about what you are saying here. Look at the data, look at the research, read the reports.

You so-called "skeptics" have no difficulity accepting data that matches YOUR claims, remember,like if 2008 can be measured as slightly colder than 2001, then its no problem citing the extremely credible sources, like universities full of professors, but if those same people ALSO say the trend is overwhelmingly showing that global warming is real and manmade, no lets be skeptics about that, they're only saying that because they want our taxes! its a giant conspiracy by elitists! but wait, the elitists say the Kilimanjaro melting isnt caused by global warming, Well, that IS true, right, because it costs less taxes figuring that out, right? ...Right? Or maybe not, but it costs less taxes to fix!, so Good Elitists, then.


This whole moneymaking scheme sure is pretty far-fetched. Listen, lets say a group of scientist decided to tell the "truth" then, no global warming etc, and they did "real science" to figure that out. Why wouldnt the government pay them, why wouldnt big oil-companies pay them? Isnt there JUST AS MANY reasons to make them rich for some ill-conceived agenda, why hasnt it happened on an equal or even larger scale than the people who say GW is real? Could it, by any remote possibility, be that its simply TRUE, and 99% of the REAL scientists out there are actually ON to something? Could it be?

14) August 2008 was the first time since 1913 there were no sun spots.

Sunspots have nothing whatsoever to do with global warming, and we have no possible way of controlling them. Sunspots are a result of massive magnetic field lines that makes it harder for gas to move, and thus it creates areas of slightly cooler spots on the suns surface. Eventually this builds up a charge which can result in massive energy outbursts we call Solar flares. Because the sun is a sphere, normally these flares are pointed away from us, however if we are unlucky, and it does point towards earth, these outbursts could knock out our electricity, satellites and thus do all kinds of damage. But again, nothing to do with global warming.

As for the rest of your points. It is correct that there is variations in the earths temperature, noone objects to this. The concern about manmade global warming however, is not just based on a year-by-year measuring of temperature, it is based on findings that goes MILLIONS of years back, even hundreds of millions. By studying layers in the ground, we can conclusively say that the levels of CO2 are now way, way higher than ever before in history, if this was a RESULT of global warming, then the warming should already have been here. That doesnt have to mean it CAUSES global warming, but it is cause for CONCERN that it might.

This summer, for instance, The North Pole was in open water, for the first time in recorded history. Data about global temperatures are complicated and messy, if you pick and choose bits and pieces you fail to grasp the bigger picture. The OVERALL trend leaves little doubt: The planet is warming, and we are to blame.

The explosion was the largest manmade blast until the detonation of the atomic bomb. *dark

Yes! Come and live on a manmade desert island with other horrid, excessive people!
What could be more grand!

Moving this video to ManMade's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

hopefully you give me enough credit to recognize it as a joke

In reply to this comment by legacy0100:
...the word "nature's" and "manmade".... doesn't really fit in a same sentence. Oxymoron?

>> ^legacy0100:
...the word "nature's" and "manmade".... doesn't really fit in a same sentence. Oxymoron?

'twas a joke.

...the word "nature's" and "manmade".... doesn't really fit in a same sentence. Oxymoron?

Oh goodie...more disinformation from the industry mouthpiece. This is the same organization that claimed to have some 500 scientists disagreeing with the idea of manmade climate change...but apparently didn't bother to find out those scientist's actual beliefs. I'm guessing they went to school with, or under, Karl Rove...the similarity in tactics is suspiciously strong. Lie loud and long enough, and lots of idiots will believe you.

Why are we wasting electrons on this propaganda?

http://www.talkgreen.ca/arguing-the-climate-change-theory-the-heartland-institute%E2%80%99s-credibility-challenge/

Scientology IS a religion in the sense that it is manmade, corrupt, and dangerous.

The 20th century is what Christo-Judaism gave us - the most violent century in the entire history of mankind.

It will die.
They will all die.

It’s a good thing I checked the paper besides looking at MovieTickets.com. Instead of Sunday, the last movie on the list was shown Saturday night. I called the theater confirm the schedule just to be sure.

Before I review the Horrorfest, I wanted to mention the theater where I viewed the films – Hollywood 9. It used to be part of a chain called General Cinema. Some older folks will remember the music that used brushes on a snare drum with an electric guitar to announce “Coming Soon” and “Feature Presentation.” Then stadium-seating theaters were introduced ten years ago. They managed to kill a majority of movie theaters in this area. A local family bought this theater from the chain. It continues to run first-run films. We used to have a network of second-run film-theaters. They were good for when a film left the first-run-theaters. Plus they were cheaper.

Audiences have been small for the Horrorfest – maybe four to twelve people at most. Horror films are more fun with a full theater of raucous younger folks.

And now for my rankings . . . . I organized them from most favorite to least favorite. The films included for 2007 cover certain standard genres:

The Deaths of Ian Stone (R)
Ian Stone keeps dying and jumping to another life. Each time he interacts with the same girl. Before each death a clock suddenly stops. I like this one best because the film takes time to reveal the context of events and characters.

Mulberry Street (R)
This could have easily been called “Rat People.” The film is set in New York City in a rundown apartment building. Rats across Manhattan bite people spreading a contagious “rat virus.” Once bitten, people morph into rat-faced-like-humans. This flick has a style similar to “28 Days Later.” These carnivorous rat-people move fast and gnaw at their human prey. The newscast vaguely covers events as the infection becomes widespread. Other than the rats spreading the virus, there’s not much of an explanation for the virus’s existence.

Crazy Eights (NR)
Six young adults gather together after the death of someone they all knew. Twenty years earlier their parents left them at mental institution as guinea pigs for human experiments. The name given to their group was “Crazy Eights.” Prior to the group reuniting, they started having nightmares. A last request by the deceased takes them on an odyssey to locate a time capsule they made years ago. OK, that’s seven people; so what about the eighth one?

Borderland (NR)
Of the eight films this is the only one based on a true story. It is more consistent than some of the others. Three American guys in their early twenties cross the border into Mexico. In the course of seeking young women, they cross paths with drug dealers who perform Santeria human sacrifices. In this area near the border, the drug dealers have police intimidated. There is one cop, however, who helps two of the guys when the third one goes missing. He’s been investigating the drug dealers for a while. Also, They killed his partner.

The murders in this film are brutal. Sean Astin plays a bad guy – I was expecting him to yell for Frodo. He has a beard that helps a little with his baby face.

Tooth and Nail (R)
Set in the year 2012 (how Mayan ), civilization has collapsed because there is no more gas. People are forced to survive without technology. Two guys and a girl are exploring when they rescue a girl from an armed man. They bring her back to their group. Right away the group does not trust her. Then one night the group’s leader is murdered. Soon group learns that cannibals are intent on feeding on them. Considering the beginning of the film I expected more cleverness in the lines and the battles to survive. I would have thought the hospital, where they are living, would have some neat props and/or rooms to do battle in – I felt like more could have been done. The cannibals dress like medieval warriors. Axes, knives, swords, spears all make for a bloodbath. There are some later twists in the plot that redeem this movie a little. Otherwise, the film just has a body count.

Mike Madsen and Vinnie Jones ham it up a bit.

Unearthed (R)
Unless I missed it, I’m not sure what group of Native Americans the characters are descended from in this movie. Anyway a young male Native American is digging in a cave where a sacred burial ground is located. Unfortunately his efforts release a monster that his ancestors managed to knock out for many centuries.

A female Native American is sheriff. She’s still trying to live down a circumstance in which she was not able to prevent a young girl from being shot. She investigates a vehicle crash site involving a truck. She locates a piece of something that was caught in a truck’s grill. When a biologist analyzes this something, she determines that it is not of this earth and it has been collecting samples of living things.

As the body count adds up, the sheriff does her best to protect those left. In the course of things she becomes covered in some black liquid in the cave. This stuff ends up protecting her in a close encounter with the creature. She and the guy, who unleashed the creature in the first place, figure out that uranium is what they need to make the protective liquid. Someone else will have to comment on the science or lack of science involved here.

The creature behaves a bit like the ones from “Alien.” It is scarier when you don’t see it. However, it does move fast.

Nightmare Man (R)
A woman orders her husband a primitive mask with horns. She gets more than she bargained for in this tale. Although this one starts off hokey, filmed with video, it does improve with some plot twists. This couple runs out of gas on the way to a mental hospital. He leaves her alone while he goes for gas.

She becomes scared by a demon in the darkness. After a bit of cat ‘n’ mouse, she manages to run to a house in the woods. Two couples are enjoying each other’s company until this woman arrives frantic about what is chasing her and the pills she dropped in the forest in the dark. Listen when someone tells you that pills help control a demon inside. : )

Lake Dead (NR)
A grandfather to an incestuous family is killed. Three granddaughters want travel to see the property they inherited. Their father warns them not to go. The kids are mad at him because saying their grandfather was dead long before he actually was dead.

One of the girls skips the funeral and goes to Lake Dead by herself – bad news. Lake is the family’s last name. Anyway the two girls arrive with a couple and another guy. There is a shallow manmade pond on the property. Characters in the story refer to it as a lake.

So then the body count starts. The gene pool in this town is a bit shallow too.


OK, there are the “8 Films to Die for.” When I’ve seen the eight from 2006, I’ll do a synopsis and ranking of them as well.

I love how the global warming alarmists equate skeptics with Holocaust skeptics. I also love how they claim that skeptics must be "paid by the energy lobbyists" when in fact "Big Oil" is the one benefiting from all this Kyoto-inspired legislation -- they get heaps of government subsidies to monopolize otherwise economically detrimental industries such as ethanol, wind, and solar. But nevermind that -- the world is melting! Well, at least since the Little Ice Age. So the world is getting warmer since the last ice age -- wow, how terrible. Hey, it's also been getting a lot hotter since December. Does that mean we are all going to die? Oh yeah, the media was all hyped up about the "Global Cooling" scare in the 1970s, but I guess they did a good job making you forget about that.

The fact is that nature, not man, emits well over 90% of greenhouse gases and were we to limit our emissions, the difference would be imperceptible and would only lead to an economic recession, with all the money going to the big energy companies. During the 1970s, manmade greenhouse gas emissions were going up while global average temperature was going down. By far the strongest correlation with global average temperature is the heat emitted by the Sun.

If you don't feel like doing the research yourself, you get can the jist of the Green Scare from "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism", a book I highly recommend to my watermelon (i.e., green on the outside but red to the core) friends.

....explosions, natural or manmade, are manifestations of extreme beauty, a dervish of physical laws , a microcosmic rendition of creation through chaos, and an excellent source of adrenaline. Everyone likes whipped cream, puppies, and explosions!

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