Except that's not the truth at all. Massachusetts passed strict gun control laws in 1998 and its crime rates (including gun-related crimes) have increased significantly since then. D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country but also has (by far) the highest rate of gun-related crime. Conversely, Vermont has the lowest rate (about 59 times lower than D.C.) while also having extremely lax gun control laws.

So no, the issue isn't quite as clear cut as you seem to suggest. There is no consistent correlation between gun control and gun crime rates. Banning something doesn't make it magically disappear and considering the fact that the majority of guns used in crimes are already obtained illegally, gun control really only affects people who obey the law (i.e. not criminals). Guns already exist. Criminals already have guns. Criminals already sell and distribute guns illegally. Gun control laws are completely irrelevant to these people.

The irony in all this is that the people calling for gun control are often the same ones calling for the legalization of drugs. We all know how effective the ban on drugs has been. Why would you think that a ban on guns would be any different?

What we do know is that guns are a deterrent and an equalizer. It's the reason why 9 out of 10 mass shootings take place in schools or other places where people are least likely to be armed. It's the reason why a robber is less likely to rob someone he believes to be armed than someone he believes to be unarmed. Strict gun laws only bolster a criminal's confidence that he can get away unscathed because he's the only one with a gun.

Finally, are people seriously including suicide-by-firearm as a relevant statistic? If somebody wants to commit suicide, there a multiple ways they can go about it. Hanging, slit wrists, drug overdose, jumping out the window, etc. If a gun is unavailable, they'll just use another method.

This is Slap Club, they're a bit lax with the rules.

I know it's a natural reaction and all, but it does tend to annoy me and detract from the coolness of the content whenever the person with the camera repeatedly announces "I got it on tape! I got it on tape!"

Smooth move, Ex-Lax. Cool your jets.

It's amazing how little coverage Snowden is receiving over here. The LAX shooter is getting all the exposure. Not to diminish what he did, but the LAX shooter kills one guy and wounds three, and he's on the front page for days. The U.S. government drones hundreds of women and children and barely a mention.

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So the UK has a higher violent crime rate and yet also less homicides? The UK has some of the strictest gun laws, and a gun homicide rate of 0.07per 100,000. This is 1/40th of the states. How much of this correlation is causation? I don't know, but I reckon if the UK suddenly go lax on gun laws that 0.07 figure would only change one way.

As for the drop in crime in the states...well, it reminds me of an episode of The Wire. A big drop like that and nobody wants to take credit for it? One can't help but wonder if thats because the goal posts have been moving. That or somebody created Amsterdam zones on the quiet

#1 what DOESN'T cost money? I'll tell you what cost LESS money..video cameras. If I can't have a cop monitor an intersection 24/7, then I am fine with a red light camera.

#2 Well getting caught in your own traps is just your own problem. Has nothing to do with changing rules or slipper slopes. I think I understand what you mean by rules being added allowing the govt to add more rules un-opposed, but this MAINLY has to do with the publics becoming more lazy and not bothering themselves with politics, ie people not involving themselves with the rule making process anymore.

#3 CCTV Does it's job. It helps identify and catch spur of the moment crimes (Abuse, attacks, robbery) and at least causes planned crimes like drug trafficking to be moved elsewhere. You can't really STOP this with public CCTV coverage but at least you can prevent it from happening in front of your house or on the playground near the kids.

#4 While I think shatter went the extreme, I know what you mean. We have lots of old laws we break all the time now. This is not the CCTV's problem though. %99 of the time these laws are also ignore by the police, and we only find out about them when that %1 gets charged with one of those laws. This is just something else that needs to be fixed by the people and really has nothing to do with CCTV.

I understand people are afraid of loosing freedoms, but I also understand that we are not earning it either. Broken economy systems, failing healthcare, and lax education systems are causing chaos and hardship which leads to increased crime. If you want your freedoms back, you are going to have to become involved with politics more and make sure the right people are making your laws.

What would've been more hilarious: salvia with ipecac or salvia with laxatives?

And conservatives are incapable of recognizing that that's a delusional fantasy completely unmoored from the reality we actually inhabit.

Lax gun regulation just leads to more dead people, not to some utopia where only people who deserve death wind up shot.

^ I've been in a union for near twenty years now. I'm sorry the company you worked for was so lax towards their employees and what they expected of them. Mine isn't, and people are hired and fired if they can't cut it. We get excellent medical and dental and earn more than non-union shops in the same industry.

You really like unions, but you support this bill? That's like talking out your mouth and your ass at the same time. You have a problem with lazy people, huh? And your solution is to get rid of unions? There's a guy like you in every shop. Doesn't have the seniority for a choice bid, so he hates all the "lazy" fucks he has to work with that have already put in their time (years) working the shitty bid you're stuck with. The problem isn't unions. It's companies who treat their employees like inmates, and hero co-workers like yourself who nobody wants to work with anyway. You really like unions? You have no fucking clue what they are and what they have done for you and the middle class in this country. You should be thankful they earn enough disposable income to cross the bridge and spend their money up there.

"Mitt never let our national security get so lax the red chinese swooped in and stole our missile guidance tech." Nixon (R - crook) opened China.

Isn't that what liberals want--"dialogue" with our enemies? Nixon also created the EPA. Pobody's nerfect. The 'crook' who had no knowledge of Watergate and never ordered it, but still stepped down, unlike Slick Willie the convicted felon. Nixon is a statesman by comparison to both Bubba AND Obozo.

"Mitt didn't built bureaucratic walls between law enforcement agencies to hide his own crimes." Bush II (R - derp) built the Homeland Security Department which helped the CIA cover up crimes of torture.

You mean the guy with higher test scores than Kerry? By international law tis only a crime to torture recognized enemy soldiers of an actual nation, not IED-laying sh1tbag terrorists. If it saves American lives, I'm for torturing every last one of them.

"Mitt didn't tell subordinate women, 'Suck this or lose your job'" Clarence Thomas (R- Koch Ind.) did.

Hearsay and bullshit, rebuked testimony, no charges filed. Nice try, though! Nothing brings out the racist in a liberal like a Black conservative, who by the way, is an intellectual giant compared to Obozo's recent affirmative action twins. Oh, and Thomas was never accused of rape like bubba.

I know pointing out facts won't deter qm, it's just fun to show him up as an ill informed redneck.

Facts? Where? Oh, was that your version of facts? You've failed in your mission. Utterly. I expected less--much less--from a liberal. And you delivered. Let me know when you want another keyboard beating.










>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Mitt never let our national security get so lax the red chinese swooped in and stole our missile guidance tech. Mitt didn't built bureaucratic walls between law enforcement agencies to hide his own crimes. Mitt didn't lie under oath, which for you and me would mean serious prison time. Mitt never cheated on his wife. Mitt was never disbarred and disgraced. Mitt didn't tell subordinate women, "Suck this or lose your job", and if Mitt did any of these things, he sure wouldn't have in-the-tank, subservient media shills covering his ass like they did this clown.

"Mitt never let our national security get so lax the red chinese swooped in and stole our missile guidance tech." Nixon (R - crook) opened China.

"Mitt didn't built bureaucratic walls between law enforcement agencies to hide his own crimes." Bush II (R - derp) built the Homeland Security Department which helped the CIA cover up crimes of torture.
"Mitt didn't tell subordinate women, 'Suck this or lose your job'" Clarence Thomas (R- Koch Ind.) did.
I know pointing out facts won't deter qm, it's just fun to show him up as an ill informed redneck.

Not one of those things fucking matter. How about something that matters you coward? How about "Mitt never supported a Genocide by providing weapons to the perpetrators" or "Mitt never imposed sanctions killing at least 500,000 children and strengthening a dictator who used that power to harm his people even more."

It doesn't matter that Chinese missiles can now accurately target American cities, where before they were pieces of crap? It doesn't matter that a former president is a sociopath who treats women like chattel and dishonors his marriage? Don't worry, there's enough clinton filth to cover everything, including "anarchist" millionaire Chomsky's talking points.

Seriously I'm gonna start telling you this more and more, Do Your Fucking Homework. Because you don't know shit about history, you don't know shit about how the World Works, and you're completely blind to actually learning anything NEW.

The world has been in turmoil for thousands of years before Christ, and the absence of the United States would change very little in the affairs of tyrants and kings in other lands.

clinton's a dishonorable piece of shit. Case. Fucking. Closed.











>> ^Yogi:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Mitt never let our national security get so lax the red chinese swooped in and stole our missile guidance tech. Mitt didn't built bureaucratic walls between law enforcement agencies to hide his own crimes. Mitt didn't lie under oath, which for you and me would mean serious prison time. Mitt never cheated on his wife. Mitt was never disbarred and disgraced. Mitt didn't tell subordinate women, "Suck this or lose your job", and if Mitt did any of these things, he sure wouldn't have in-the-tank, subservient media shills covering his ass like they did this clown.

Not one of those things fucking matter. How about something that matters you coward? How about "Mitt never supported a Genocide by providing weapons to the perpetrators" or "Mitt never imposed sanctions killing at least 500,000 children and strengthening a dictator who used that power to harm his people even more."
Seriously I'm gonna start telling you this more and more, Do Your Fucking Homework. Because you don't know shit about history, you don't know shit about how the World Works, and you're completely blind to actually learning anything NEW.


>> ^Yogi:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Mitt never let our national security get so lax the red chinese swooped in and stole our missile guidance tech. Mitt didn't built bureaucratic walls between law enforcement agencies to hide his own crimes. Mitt didn't lie under oath, which for you and me would mean serious prison time. Mitt never cheated on his wife. Mitt was never disbarred and disgraced. Mitt didn't tell subordinate women, "Suck this or lose your job", and if Mitt did any of these things, he sure wouldn't have in-the-tank, subservient media shills covering his ass like they did this clown.

Not one of those things fucking matter. How about something that matters you coward? How about "Mitt never supported a Genocide by providing weapons to the perpetrators" or "Mitt never imposed sanctions killing at least 500,000 children and strengthening a dictator who used that power to harm his people even more."
Seriously I'm gonna start telling you this more and more, Do Your Fucking Homework. Because you don't know shit about history, you don't know shit about how the World Works, and you're completely blind to actually learning anything NEW.