Perhaps some people use religion as a means of control, but that isn't the goal or interest of christians. It is merely to preach the good news of Jesus Christ our Lord. I can't save anyone, that is Gods work. I would call your anger here misplaced and quite irrational. You seem to have extremely strong opinions on Christianity which are not very well researched. Have you ever actually read the bible? If not, how can you hate something you know nothing about?

“The way is not in the sky. The way is in the heart.” - Buddha

Jeremiah 17:9

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

>> ^rougy:
God, I hate the Bible. It has to be one of the most evil books ever written. I don't have one in my home, and every time I stay in a motel I'm tempted to toss the one that the Jesus freaks always pack in the nightstand.
The only thing worse than the Bible are the Bible beaters, because 90% of them don't want to help you, they just want to control you; they just want to make you feel bad about being a human being who isn't under their control
God knows how many people's lives were ruined by the Bible beaters foisting their ugly, depraved, mean-spirited and ultimately shallow beliefs on folks who were doing just fine until they came along.
“The way is not in the sky. The way is in the heart.” - Buddha

God, I hate the Bible. It has to be one of the most evil books ever written. I don't have one in my home, and every time I stay in a motel I'm tempted to toss the one that the Jesus freaks always pack in the nightstand.

The only thing worse than the Bible are the Bible beaters, because 90% of them don't want to help you, they just want to control you; they just want to make you feel bad about being a human being who isn't under their control

God knows how many people's lives were ruined by the Bible beaters foisting their ugly, depraved, mean-spirited and ultimately shallow beliefs on folks who were doing just fine until they came along.

“The way is not in the sky. The way is in the heart.” - Buddha

>> ^peggedbea:

"on knees for jesus" .... seriously?


I think his name is intended as a joke (IOW he isnt really a Jesus-freak, he's pretending to be one)

>> ^Yogi:

Takei says you should never tell someone to kill themselves. I think it depends on the reason though. If you're telling them to go kill themselves because they're black, or gay, or plushy, then yeah that's wrong you shouldn't do that. But when they say some really fucking stupid shit like McCance did...then no Fuck that, he should die. I would love LOVE to meet him and constantly tell him that he should kill himself. Stupid assholes don't deserve to live...period.


Like Shep said, it really goes to show that he's a better man to not stoop to his level. I remember having a heated discussion with a Jesus freak about abortion and he threw in some statement about how his religion taught him to that everyone deserves to live "even you." I told him to think about his statement: deep down he wanted me to DIE because of my beliefs and it was only his magical imaginary friend in the sky who was blackmailing him into obedience by promising hellfire if he didn't that made him get in line. His base instinct was that I should DIE for disagreeing with him. I told him that clearly he was a violent and unhappy person only governed by threats of violence from white-bearded old men living in the clouds... didn't go over so well

Why don't the Jesus freaks ever come defend this dribble?

Yes, everyone with half a brain laughs at you and your creationists moron friends.

>> ^ponceleon:
I was discussing abortion and at some point the Jesus freak didn't like the logic I used and tried to convince me that his logic was superior by spouting the following example:
"Unlike you, I believe everyone deserves to live... even someone like YOU. And that is because my god teaches me this."

Wouldn't that line of reasoning lead to the conclusion that people should conceive children as often as physically possible?

Think of all those poor innocent kids that will never have the opportunity to be born just because people don't want more of them!

Sure it is fair to dismiss ALL religion. Just because you are a little crazy in that you believe in magical forces controlling the universe doesn't make it ANY more legitimate.

Of course there are non-violent religious people. Of course there are religious people that don't piss me off as much as the tools I'm mostly talking about, that doesn't mean that they don't suspend reason for something with is just illogical.

I can definitely understand that there are "good teachings" in many religions and I have no problem with that, but it is the fact that those are indistinguishable from the other parts OF THE SAME RELIGIOUS TEXTS which call for violence, war, and intolerance which lead me to my ultimate statement: religion needs to go.

Want to teach about tolerance, love and understanding? Go right ahead, you don't need mana from heaven, Jesus walking on water, crucifixions or Abraham almost killing his son, Mohammed in a bear suit whatever to get there. Secularize the teachings, remove the mumbo-jumbo and the magic rings of power and I'll listen. The problem with mixing good teachings with this suspension of rational thought is that then you are subject to the whims of clergymen who invent their own bullshit (like priests not being able to marry so the church can inherit their property) in order to advance themselves. Teach people to be good and to think, don't teach them superstition, fear and ultimately hate. Yeah yeah, some of these stories in the bible are innocent enough, but by painting this magical harrypotteresque world they open in the doors to people believing in things that WILL have a bad effect on them.

Again I remember a funny debate I had with a Jesus freak: I was discussing abortion and at some point the Jesus freak didn't like the logic I used and tried to convince me that his logic was superior by spouting the following example:

"Unlike you, I believe everyone deserves to live... even someone like YOU. And that is because my god teaches me this."

Think about that for a moment, he was essentially telling me that because of my ideas about abortion and woman's rights, he fundamentally felt that I deserved to die, but only because his god told him not to think that way he was willing to concede me my life.

I do good things because it is better for all of us to be good to each other, not because some magical being threatens me if I don't do what he says. Who is a better person, the one who does good deeds because he wants to do good deeds, or the one who does them because he's afraid of the consequences if he doesn't?

Religion needs to go.


>> ^Myrmidian:

>> ^ponceleon:
I keep saying this in all these clips and I'll keep doing so:
Religion needs to go.

I don't think it's fair to dismiss all religions on the basis of the actions of a few unintelligent or uninformed people.

>> ^volumptuous:
So the Jesus Freak still hasn't answered WTF Ron Paul is talking about.
What American citizen has Obama assassinated?


Anyone they think joined al-Qaeda. No trial, no over-site, no habeas corpus, no due process...dead. So they can really just kill anyone and say that they were al-Qaeda and hide the evidence for "national security" reasons. So the real answer is who knows, and the real fear is anyone they want to.

So the Jesus Freak still hasn't answered WTF Ron Paul is talking about.

What American citizen has Obama assassinated?

>> ^Jesus_Freak:
What I don't have to imagine is the ACTUAL reason I'm thankful for my Christianity. I've led a very satisfying life with very tangible blessings stemming from my relationship with Jesus Christ. I've found His teaching to be profound and reliable, I've found indescribable freedom, and I've found layers of comfort that surpass all understanding. If you wish to maintain a dim view of all Christians in some stereotypical way, you do so with a focus of poor examples of some individuals who share my faith, or from a lack of exeprience that your scientific analysis can't quantify.


That is in fact the root of the problem. You make all these unfounded assertions about the benefits of being absorbed in your religion, yet you show no proof of this, most probably because you can't. Then if we ask you why you can't, you say no one will ever know because its a mystery out of the reach of science. That is the same bullshit mentalists/psychics and other charlatans use every day to justify how none of them have passed the James Randi Educational Foundation "One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge". I do not maintain a dim view of Christians on the basis of the fact that they believe in something, only in the fact that they believe in something that 1. hasn't been shown to do what they claim it does 2. isn't worth believing in in the first place (since it is medieval bigotry at its finest) 3. demand that they shut off their bullshit detectors so that they can believe it blindly.

If you want to live your life on the precepts of Jesus, why not throw away the Old Testament and its irate God? Why not throw away everything else but the apostles' testaments? Why not try to reconcile the message of Jesus in light of scientific discoveries? Why not abandon, or suspend indefinitely your belief in, the idea of God as being superfluous to the realization of Jesus' message in this life? If you cannot do all this then you are not a Jesus freak, you are simply a God freak of the most hypocritical kind.

One of his points really struck me and reminded me of a conversation I had with a Jesus Freak.

His point about how it is probably better to be a good person because you want to be rather than because you want to go to heaven reminded me about a time I was discussing the priest molestations with another Boston native who was rather upset that I was an atheist and thought the church should be disbanded/criminalized because of the whole molestation scandal.

At one point this guy started in on the whole "baby killer" bullshit and mentioned that he "was a better person" because his religion taught that everyone "even you" should have the right to live.

Think about that for a moment. He basically came out and said that his base reaction to me was that I should be killed (or at least die) because of what I believe, but that the ONLY thing holding him back is the threat his religion teaches him about killing others.

Yeah, Jesus is love people.

I wish all these ignorant, afraid, annoying Jesus freaks would hurry up and get raptured already so we can get on with our lives, and improve the world. God damn.

Somehow it's not surprizing that the only two people they interviewed were a jesus freak and a neckbeard. I'm guessing there's some sort of lead contamination in the neighborhood.

>> ^EndAll:
>> ^Throbbin:
This time, at band camp....
I wonder if Africans find them as annoying as I do.

Not band camp! Apparently some 'ORU' goodwill-type-mission - which you can't really knock 'em for, Jesus-freaks or not.


I dunno, I'd like to know more about what they did there before I decide as to whether they need knocking or not... If all they did was go around and tell the poor poor savages about the wonders of Jesus, they can go and get mango larva on their vaginas for all I care...

>> ^Throbbin:
This time, at band camp....
I wonder if Africans find them as annoying as I do.


Not band camp! Apparently some 'ORU' goodwill-type-mission - which you can't really knock 'em for, Jesus-freaks or not.