Hey Bobby, the newest right wing douche way to trigger libtards is to ignore medical advice and hold pro Trump rallies, of course unmasked and ungloved, handshaking and hugging those other real Americans that turn up. Why not....are you snowflakes afraid of something far less deadly than the flu? Better hop to it, don't you think?

People blame Trump because he dismantled the programs that were a functional safeguard against EXACTLY this kind of outbreak, then denied Covid19 was anything out of the ordinary or at all dangerous, dragged his feet on stopping people from infected areas, and told people to ignore it as a hoax pandemic. His actions and words didn't create Covid19, but they let it become a pandemic that will kill >100000 Americans....maybe millions because his cultists are still convinced it's just a hoax meant to hurt him politically...he said so....and they continue to spread it nationwide.

https://videosift.com/video/China-Is-Building-A-Thousand-Bed-Hospital-In-6-Days

Trump continued to call it a Chinese/Democratic hoax and a minor flu for 2 months after this unambiguous, undeniable message from China that this was a horrific epidemic, which itself came well over a month after the whistleblower put the world on notice, a notice Trump and co 100% ignored for months despite the mounting evidence.

300,000 infected. South Korea isn't a communist country, it's a democracy modeled after the United States.

They are also an ally of the USA and have done (based on a percentage of total population) more testing than us. Still, they were able to contain this virus with decisive action and clear guidelines.


That's called leadership.

Yes, but my understanding is that the point isn't to starve the virus for hosts until it's dead, it's to slow the spread enough that hospitals aren't overrun. When they are, death rates explode, logically from 3-3.5% up to 15-20%. Of course, this plan relies on the hope that immunity is relatively full and permanent, something we don't know yet.

If people weren't morons, I would agree about parks and beaches....but they are. Even those smart enough to try and social distance in public often forget and hug goodbye, and most aren't being that smart.

The problem with sending people back is we don't have a single study on immunity. We don't know if you have full immunity after recovering from being infected, or if so how long it might last. Many other coronaviruses mutate enough that immunity is for one season at best. We need to study the virus in detail before making assumptions on life and death issues, and it's smart to err on one side of caution with stakes this high until we know. Opening up before we know is a pure gamble....the odds might be good, but the stakes are sky high.

In a near worst case scenario, it's possible that Covid19 is going to remain as dangerous as it is today for some time with reinfection possible, and that any future vaccines will need yearly changes and booster shots to be effective, like the flu shot but hopefully more effective. In that case, the best we can really do is be prepared for a constant flow of large numbers of patients and deaths. That's going to require a complete retooling and expansion of the medical system, but silver lining, it's hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs that robots can't do...yet.

If everyone somehow isolates and we get down to only only 10 new cases a day, and we let everyone out, that only resets the clock to February with the addition of a million or so people already infected and immune. Everything goes back to shit in another couple months. People's behavior changing will help slow the spread, but will not prevent it. There's plenty you can do outside the home a safe distance from other people with minimal risk, certainly less than just going to shop for food. It's ridiculous they are shutting down beaches where it's simple to walk 20' away from anybody else. To limit crowds just close down parking spaces.

Antibody tests should allow recovered people back into regular life, but the only way we get a lot of recovered people is to have a lot of sick people first. Keep the elderly and high risk people confined, and let everyone else out with reasonable precautions(no gatherings over 20, etc). The only other alternative is a 6-12 month lockdown and 100% testing, which is simply never going to happen. You would still have to lock down the borders until the rest of the world has it under control too.

Nope.
Trump denied there was any danger from the beginning, no significant or hazardous infection in America, and insisted it would miraculously disappear by April. Last week he suggested ending stay at home orders next weekend! Batshit crazy and criminally ignorant at best, intentional attempted mass homicide at worst.

Trump didn't stop flights from China, airlines did. Trump restricted travel for non citizens (except family of citizens) coming from China Jan 31, well after most flights were cancelled, and only when faced with the uniform recommendation of the career public health officials at HHS.

What preparations? They seemed to start those last week, not in February, and certainly not before. Most temporary hospitals are still in the planning stage, not built or stocked, and completely unstaffed. Stockpiles were not full or being filled. It seems they weren't even making plans, just denials.

The racist part was Trump and his subordinates calling it the Chinese flu and Kung Flu.

The loudest and latest one saying it was like any flu and not a problem was Trump, here's a clip of that from less than one month ago, try again.

https://youtu.be/xcDq1jUAuI4

Trump should not have dismantled the systems in place that made us more prepared, nor should he have underfunded and defunded the health programs and organizations so vital right now, nor should he have ignored the impacts other countries were suffering and, instead of preparing, downplayed the unfolding crisis while dragging his feet on any responses, or refused WHO tests that worked in S Korea in favor of nonexistent American tests that at first didn't work at all, couldn't be mass produced so are STILL in short supply, and now seem to give false negatives 1/3 of the time because the manufacturer donated $1.5 million, but he did.

China lied and minimized (sounds familiar) until mid January, yes, but Trump dismantled the CDC Pandemic Preparedness program that was designed to protect us from exactly that likelihood...that is their M. O.. Remember, the whistle blower went public in mid December, but Trump and co. ignored it, accepting China's obvious lies. The CDCPPP could not only have verified his claims, but could have sounded the alarm earlier. (Think Brad Pitt in WWZ)

Trump calls the Chinese liars and thieves, then bases his policies on what they tell him with no method or effort to confirm it, then denies any responsibility?! Trump STILL called it the flu less than 1 month ago. Who is he blaming for hiding the truth from him until then?

I think the fox news fungus infected his brain.

It came a full month too late....it didn't buy any time, it let infected in and ignored outbreaks for weeks. The epidemic was full blown January first, Trump was briefed by then of the seriousness, but Trump didn't make one move until the last day in January, and barely then, still allowing travel from other infected countries just not China. He didn't start worrying seriously about medical supply shortages until LAST WEEK, even though China proved the need to prepare LAST YEAR.

Trumpsters didn't care, they thought only blue states were effected, some still do, they actually publicly claimed Democrats were infecting their own to make Trump look bad.

Your people are bat shit insane.

Best to investigate Trump and his cronies in real time, it minimizes the damage he can do. The investigations have already exposed numerous senator's insider trading attempts to profit from the pandemic. It's also revealed the reason Trump refused WHO tests and put us months behind S Korea...the company that makes the American test donated over $1.5 million to political campaigns this year. That must be why it was worth waiting months to get them at all and still be in short supply. They paid for the contract.

So, Democrats work hard to try to save the lives of their constituents, Trump, because he has nothing better to do besides play more golf, wrote a nasty political smear filled with ignorance and self congratulatory lies. Keep in mind, he's admitted he's so incompetent that his impeachment, which he claimed was a nothing burger, distracted him from having time to properly deal with Coronavirus....but he had plenty of time to golf.

Trump was pushed to enact a travel ban from China a month after the danger was clear to everyone with a brain, it was not him dragging the CDC like he claims, but he had dragged his feet so long that most airlines had cancelled those flights well before he acted....but not before numerous infected were here. January first he should have acted. That would have made a difference.

Trump called this a flu until it was too late, telling the nation there's no need to prepare through February. This led to panic when reality hit us hard.

Trump publicly said that if Democrats aren't nice enough to him his Whitehouse won't respond to their state. That's politics being played with millions of lives by Trump.

Trump has publicly told governors to go find supplies on their own, don't look to the Fed to procure and distribute necessary medical devices, then ordered the Fed to bid against those states for that same equipment. That's playing politics with citizens lives.

Trump STILL refuses to order a nation wide shelter in place order because he doesn't want any responsibility for one. That's playing politics.

Trump inexplicably didn't use the defense production act until last Friday, but he's used it reportedly hundreds of thousands of times to procure materials for the military....chemicals for missiles, materials for aircraft carriers, using the law to put the military orders first in line repeatedly. That's playing politics.

Trump reluctantly had ventilators sent to a few hard hit states, <5% of the numbers needed, but shipped broken units to Democratic states and told them they need to be appreciative (translation, kiss his ass on TV) or he won't send more. Again, playing politics with citizens lives.

Also don't forget Trump ended the CDC international pandemic detection program last September, months before the outbreak in China. This program was designed to detect and protect from New viral outbreaks, and would have given America a fighting chance to avoid any infections at all had it not been killed by Trump.

This kind of ignorant propaganda is exactly what I expect from @bobknight33. Using Trump's statements as if they're fact is incredibly dumb, Bobby. Even you admit the man doesn't tell the truth, you just prefer his divisive lies to the truth.

Hilarious you tag this philosophy, it's not...news, it's not.....*lies , that's a proper tag. *facepalm
I would downvote, but this drivel isn't worth watching through. I was at my lie limit under one minute in.

BTW, someone should remind him, nuking them from orbit didn't stop the xenomorphs....it didn't even stop that outbreak of xenomorphs, it only exposed the ignorance of the Space Marines for thinking "nuke em" answers all problems. So dumb Bobby.

So, did you not watch it, or are you just incapable of learning, because the answer to that question was thoroughly explained.

They should be obligated to pay sick leave so sick people don't have make the choice to go to work sick or become homeless. That costs insanely less than an epidemic does, and kills no one.

The rest of the industrialized world is capable of it, and they had near full compliance with stay at home orders. In America, not so, which is part of why we are now the epicenter of the pandemic and will remain so for the foreseeable future, and will likely have the most deaths of any nation by the disease Trump said isn't a problem worth addressing and it would just miraculously disappear by April because he's done such a good job. Instead, due to his complete lack of preparation even though he had >3 months to prepare, we are on course to have our casualty number top 1 million....all blood on Trump's hands. His administration could have acted in December and avoided any infections in America. They didn't.

Since so many of the (now gone) jobs created in the last 3 years were minimum wage jobs, how do you think people barely living paycheck to paycheck are going to put away a dime? They couldn't pay all their bills when they were being paid.

Trump denied it was a problem, just a China hoax, until there were hundreds of infected on our shores, despite being told by every adult to start testing and quarantining months earlier.
Trump removed the CDC officer in China that was there to give the U.S. early warning about exactly this kind of pandemic.
Trump cut CDC funding making them less prepared, which has now cost hundreds of lives and trillions in losses that could have been prevented if this was taken seriously. It could have been stopped from spreading in America if Trump didn't actively ignore the blaring warning sirens for months, or had not instructed his subordinates to do the same.

Trump now says any governor that isn't nice enough to him personally will be abandoned by the federal government with their calls for help going unanswered by the Whitehouse, threatening to just let thousands of American citizens die if governors don't properly kiss his ass and claim it tastes like peaches.

But hey that the lane your in.

100% accurate.
Covid 19 is a hoax perpetrated by the godless communist Chinese and godless communist Democrats. Churches are perfectly safe, it only infects the sinful. Go to mass, and be sure to trade anointed handkerchiefs with all your neighbors.
*quality dogma right there

CORONAVIRUS....

Vitamin D supplementation to prevent acute respiratory tract infections

Analysis of 25 randomized controlled trials from around the world found that vitamin D supplementation cut the risk of respiratory tract infections by 50% in people that were deficient and by 10% in people with normal vitamin D levels.
https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583

Granted, the better "caught on live mic" was afterwards when he gave a big "OooooKaaaay", indicating that the level of bullshit spouted in his speech was overwhelming even for him, but this does clearly show that how he looks was FAR more important than knowing what he's talking about during a national emergency.
Imagine Obama was caught before a major speech being so worried about his appearance, your ilk would be calling for his removal, like you all did for 8 years over anything....tan suits, terrorist fist bump, not a real American so not a real president. You don't get to whine now when your baby in chief gets 1/10 back.

Today he refused to implement travel restrictions or the defense production act to produce medical supplies already in short supply (estimates are over >3 billion masks will be needed by health care workers, we have 12 million, or .3% of what front line first responders need) lying again by claiming there's only a slight shortage in 3 states, and one state has no cases, so there's no real need. *facepalm. His lies about testing availability continue too. They could have started making them in December, but waited until late last month to get going slowly at his direction.

Trump couldn't be doing a worse job without putting Jared in charge of the (non) response...Wait....he semi did that. Fuck. Every time he speaks lately he causes a new "worst day ever on Wallstreet". Great job? At decimating the economy and putting us all in great danger? At downplaying a major pandemic and to this day refusing to take it seriously and/or take steps to mitigate the infection rates?

What morons you cultists are. Go to a Trump rally and shake hands with everyone, why don't you.

So glad Amazon shut him down, I hope eBay, Craig's list, and elsewhere did too. I have to wonder if he broke even before they did, selling $1 bottles for $70 it wouldn't take long.

What a douchebag pandemic profiteer. I'm actually surprised Trump isn't doing the same thing, it's so his style. I hope it's a separate felony for each item he gouged with.

If you're sick and in Tennessee, find this guy and go directly to his house looking for sanitizer, and be sure to cough on your money first. If anyone deserves to be deliberately infected, it's assholes like him.

*promote a *quality shaming

Compared to the flu at 1.3, that's bad. I'll just have to hope it's on the low end of those estimates, only one order of magnitude worse than a bad flu at spreading, but it's looking worse already.

If a predicted up to (+-)114000000 dead worldwide (3% mortality if only 50% are infected) is the bright side, that's pretty horrific.

If you're right about hospitals being unprepared, and I think you are, the mortality rate will climb. The military should be building temporary medical/quarantine facilities now....and maybe cremation facilities. That was an issue in China.