>> ^schlub:

Ok, I'm ignorant. Can someone explain Asperger, clearly? Everything I've read (which is like, two things) makes it sound like it's just someone who is socially inept... Honestly, the guy in this video is like several people I've encountered in my lifetime... so, I don't get it. What differentiates someone with Asperger from someone who just sucks at talking to people and has what some consider weird hobbies/interests (like 'Bronies')?


I'd recommend looking up "Theory of Mind" because generally autistic people have an impaired theory of mind. A basic explanation of this is summed up by a difficulty to guage/recognise other people's emotional responses to given situations - it's very difficult to perceive what it's like for other people. This can make social interaction very awkward, since conversation is hard to follow unless there is some first-hand experience of the topic being discussed. Think of a lack of empathy except in situations where prior experience allows the autistic person to recall how it affected them. This is a very rudimentary explanation and there is much more to theory of mind and I'd definitely encourage reading a bit more about it since it affects everyone, NT and aspie alike.

There's lots more to Asperger's Syndrome than just an impaired theory of mind. The way the brain files information is another example of a significant difference. Recollection of prior events is a very different process when comparing NT people to aspies. Another difference is the way a lot of background processing of information for most people is actually foreground processing for aspies (i.e. direct awareness of the information being absorbed and how it relates to existing knowledge). An example of this could be the observation of body language - most people absorb that info subconsciously whereas an autistic person has to be trained or train themselves to be aware of the signals and then actively calculate what those signals can potentially mean about the person exhibiting the behaviour.

Hope that offers some insight, just bear in mind that there's no single diagnosis for Asperger's. It's a collection of symptoms that are considered and when enough boxes are ticked the diagnosis can be confirmed. Not all criteria are essential for the diagnosis and it's entirely possible for two aspies to have a number of different symptoms out of the overall list of criteria. That's the way of it, and justifies the use of the word "spectrum" when referring to autism in general.

Good question BTW

>> ^sillma:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^sillma:
How is this unbelievable exactly? I'm not a ballet expert, do the adult ballerinas use autocue for ballet moves? I'm pretty sure they've memorized it as well. Or is it considered unbelievable because you somehow thing autistic people have impaired memory and they shouldn't be able to do this? Or perhaps because you think young kids shouldn't possibly be able to do this?

Just think about it. What differentiates a professional ballerina and a child.

My point exactly. Nothing THAT big, assuming that children can't memorize things like that is just ignorant. Children are much more able to concentrate on things they truly love than any adult that's ever existed, and it's usually even more the case with autistic people.


Ok, I don't see what the point of your original comment was or this one. It's a nice video.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^sillma:
How is this unbelievable exactly? I'm not a ballet expert, do the adult ballerinas use autocue for ballet moves? I'm pretty sure they've memorized it as well. Or is it considered unbelievable because you somehow thing autistic people have impaired memory and they shouldn't be able to do this? Or perhaps because you think young kids shouldn't possibly be able to do this?

Just think about it. What differentiates a professional ballerina and a child.


My point exactly. Nothing THAT big, assuming that children can't memorize things like that is just ignorant. Children are much more able to concentrate on things they truly love than any adult that's ever existed, and it's usually even more the case with autistic people.

>> ^sillma:

How is this unbelievable exactly? I'm not a ballet expert, do the adult ballerinas use autocue for ballet moves? I'm pretty sure they've memorized it as well. Or is it considered unbelievable because you somehow thing autistic people have impaired memory and they shouldn't be able to do this? Or perhaps because you think young kids shouldn't possibly be able to do this?


Just think about it. What differentiates a professional ballerina and a child.

How is this unbelievable exactly? I'm not a ballet expert, do the adult ballerinas use autocue for ballet moves? I'm pretty sure they've memorized it as well. Or is it considered unbelievable because you somehow thing autistic people have impaired memory and they shouldn't be able to do this? Or perhaps because you think young kids shouldn't possibly be able to do this?

No!
False!
Propaganda!

Come on, Kids don't think like that when you drink
Maybe if you are a serial-alcoholic (redundant, I know) who is impaired and have alcohol on your breath all the time and regularly beat your kids - Then I could see it, yes.

But kids tent to show unconditional love and see past the faults of their parents, at least at the age of the kids portrayed in this video. Kids don't see their parents as monsters when they have had a drink or two. In fact, I doubt they even notice or care unless the drinking is a long time alcoholic problem.

I remember my mom coming home from the office with a few too many glasses of wine in her - we always got excited because that meant we were heading out for Chinese food

There is nothing wrong with drinking as long as you know your limits and take the right precautions afterwards.

I've never had pot, or any other illegal drug for that matter. I have never smoked or chewed tobacco, and I actually didn't drink alcohol until I turned 21, and only very rarely since then.

I don't really have any interest in it. I *hate* cigarette smoke, so the primary method of consumption (smoking) is repellant to me. With regards to alcohol, a light buzz is a somewhat good sensation for me but I strongly dislike the feeling of being drunk. I don't mean being hung over, I mean that when I am drunk I can tell that my brain isn't operating at peak efficiency and it just bothers me. That minor positive feeling I get with having 1-2 drinks honestly doesn't justify the cost of alcohol vs other beverages, and that is before the risk of drinking too much and the discomfort of being drunk.

I don't mean to push any of that on anyone -- I know and am friends with a lot of people who like getting drunk, quite a few that like to smoke, and some that smoke pot. I just mention it to present my perspective.

The thing that bothers me about most discussion about pot is that you only hear from the two opposite extremes. You've got your narc ATF-types that tell you that pot is highly addictive, it takes otherwise productive people and makes they lazy and apathetic, it is a surefire gateway to stronger drugs, it ruins lives, etc. etc. Then you've got the High Times-types that tell you that it cures every affliction known to mankind, it has no negative effects whatsoever, and that we might as well grind it up and put it in the water supply or something.

Having had no direct personal experience with it, my best guess is that pot impairs your judgement and mental faculties to a degree roughly equivalent to alcohol, possibly less so. Smoking it probably has negative health consequences roughly similar to smoking tobacco, but probably a little bit less bad -- for one thing, there are probably many more people who smoke a pack or two of cigarettes per day than people who smoke an equivalent number of joints. Less inhaled smoke probably means less detriment to health. In terms of addictiveness, it appears to me that pot is far less addictive than either alcohol OR tobacco.

Combine all that stuff together, and I don't understand why alcohol and tobacco are legal while pot isn't. Prohibition was a disaster, and the war on drugs (particularly pot) seems to be a failure to learn from that. That being said, if a high school student brings alcohol or tobacco to school and gets caught with them, they will probably be confiscated and given some punishment. Contrary to what Rogan says, I have heard of undercover/sting operations to bust underage drinking, particularly in order to punish adults to distribute alcohol to minors. All that is fine with me, probably a good thing.

In this clip, I didn't think that Dr. Drew's statements were all that extreme towards the ATF extreme side -- at least, not really any more than Rogan's were towards the High Times side. Still, upvote for presenting his viewpoint honestly and directly. I think that we need more discussion about this, with the likely result being that we get some real information that lands somewhere in the middle.

I'd like to put a vote in for "not dupe"... the other one is edited for people with attention span issues and/or cognitive impairment.
>> ^ant:

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
http://videosift.com/video/Genius-Dog-Knows-1000-Words>> ^jonny:
pretty sure it's a dupe, but I can't find the original.


dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Genius-Dog-Knows-1000-Words

Best I can get from the information out there:

Around 7:30 the shooting had occurred and the police were just arriving.

7:40 they pronounce Trayvon dead.

7:55ish Zimmerman shows up at police station that we see on video.

10PM ish Zimmerman is released.

So, 7:30 to 7:55 is the amount of clean up and dress time Zimmerman had for his wounds at a maximum. But it's doubtful they were cleaning him up in the car...and it's doubtful they were cleaning him up immediately upon arriving. So, I think the 25 minutes becomes more like 10-15 for clean up.

So, what you see on that tape, if this time line is pretty close to actuality. He had very little clean up time for someone to be claiming a broken nose and repeatedly slamming of their head into concrete.

You DO see the police officer looking at the back of Zimmerman's head in the video.
You also see the police officer handling the clothing with no gloves on......presumably where blood would be if the back of his head being slammed and he shot up at his attacker.

They are also saying that the police took him from the scene against his wishes to go to the hospital, but that was not the claim prior to the video coming out that I can find. Prior to the video it was that he had been treated on the scene and was trying to cooperate with the police and went to the hospital the next day.

Also, Trayvon report supposedly had his full name and address on the morning of the 27th at like 3 AM. His father filed a missing person the 27th, and was informed of the death the 28th.

My biggest concern aside from the short 3 hour maximum window they spent with Zimmerman on this, they supposedly had him walk police through the events the next day, is that they hadn't even found out Trayvon's reason for being there until the 28th. That means they have a NW leader saying there's a non-resident there whom he killed. And they haven't even figured out by the time they let him go if Trayvon did have a reason to be there, because supposedly the house in the neighborhood was owned by Trayvon's father's fiancee. Oh, and they didn't take Zimmerman's clothes, I am just hoping they got pictures. Plus there is report of the lead investigator filing an affidavit that he didn't believe Zimmerman's story the night of the crime. SYG not only grants immunity, it also impairs the police ability to investigate to see if it actually was self defense to any degree of accuracy which pretty much means you're getting immunity unless there was someone left alive who witnessed the moments leading up to the shooting, the shooting, and survived long enough for police to arrive. So you go from witness of all events = crazed gun man/mass murder/whatever to no witness = Self Defense.

How can Martin not be 100% innocent? I don't get how you think he could be at all culpable.>> ^Porksandwich:

To be clear on this. I don't think either Zimmerman or Martin is 100% innocent in this. I just feel that Zimmerman is the one who caused the whole event to happen.
There are some articles where police admit they have about a 1 minute window of where they don't know what happened.
There is Trayvon's girlfriend who said she was on the phone with him where she heard some specific questions asked by both parties and then some pushing or other something and the line went dead. If her story is true, they can verify it by cell phone logs as to when the line went dead and if she was on the phone with him when she claims.
If they can verify she was on the phone with him, her story actually lines up with what some of Zimmerman says. But they have not released what Zimmerman said the exact conversation was. He claims that Trayvon said something like "You got a problem?" and zimmerman said "no" and trayvon said "well you got one now" and hit him. Girlfriend says nothing like that was said, but the line may have been dead by then. So does Zimmerman admit to pushing or that Trayvon pushed him? Do the questions they asked each other line up with what the girlfriend heard? Does the girlfriend think Trayvon was scared/concerned/pissed/whatever?
What was the orientation of the fight? Zimmerman says Trayvon was beating his head and slamming it into the ground. How was Trayvon standing over him? Was he straddling him? Was he off to the side? Was he above Zimmerman's head? Was he sitting on his chest and beating him?
How did Zimmerman shoot Trayvon and not end up underneath him when he collapsed? Report says he fell with his arms underneath him face down in the grass. You could assume he grab for his chest when he was shot, but how did Zimmerman avoid him? How did Zimmerman not end up with blood on him? Do his clothes match with what he said happened when you look at it again and look at the clothing? The grass stains do, but does the blood?
We are to believe that Zimmerman was on his back and drew his gun from his waistband holster (they don't specify when he kept it). So his access to this gun is going to be impaired if Trayvon is sitting on him pounding his face. Plus he's going to be on his back when he shoots unless Trayvon let him up.
Far too many questions for Zimmerman to not be kept for the 48 hours they are allowed to hold someone while they investigated the case. They questioned him and let him go. Perhaps they answered all this and never released it. But then you have Zimmerman not being tox screened and them sending a narcotics detective instead of a homicide detective to do the investigation (according to http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborhood-watch-
killing-911-tape-reveals-racial-slur/story?id=15966309).
I'm not saying crucify Zimmerman or that he needs to have a bounty on his head. But the questions and no answers or address to them is not a positive sign that this crime was investigated properly. And since it has been weeks after the fact when the federal investigators were brought in, the chance of determining it given the iffy police work up front is going to be a lot less possible. That still does not mean Zimmerman's accounting is accurate until they exhausted possibilities. Not just go with what seems most apparent. If Zimmerman were fabricating, he'd pick the best explanation given the scene if he had planned or taken anytime at all to make something up. Plus his recollection of events are going to be driven out his natural bias in the situation, any person's view point would be.
Also in a gated community with a rash of breakins, I would think there would be some home security and other security cameras installed to try to curtail it. Especially on the "clubhouse" Zimmerman references in his 911 call.

To be clear on this. I don't think either Zimmerman or Martin is 100% innocent in this. I just feel that Zimmerman is the one who caused the whole event to happen.

There are some articles where police admit they have about a 1 minute window of where they don't know what happened.

There is Trayvon's girlfriend who said she was on the phone with him where she heard some specific questions asked by both parties and then some pushing or other something and the line went dead. If her story is true, they can verify it by cell phone logs as to when the line went dead and if she was on the phone with him when she claims.

If they can verify she was on the phone with him, her story actually lines up with what some of Zimmerman says. But they have not released what Zimmerman said the exact conversation was. He claims that Trayvon said something like "You got a problem?" and zimmerman said "no" and trayvon said "well you got one now" and hit him. Girlfriend says nothing like that was said, but the line may have been dead by then. So does Zimmerman admit to pushing or that Trayvon pushed him? Do the questions they asked each other line up with what the girlfriend heard? Does the girlfriend think Trayvon was scared/concerned/pissed/whatever?

What was the orientation of the fight? Zimmerman says Trayvon was beating his head and slamming it into the ground. How was Trayvon standing over him? Was he straddling him? Was he off to the side? Was he above Zimmerman's head? Was he sitting on his chest and beating him?

How did Zimmerman shoot Trayvon and not end up underneath him when he collapsed? Report says he fell with his arms underneath him face down in the grass. You could assume he grab for his chest when he was shot, but how did Zimmerman avoid him? How did Zimmerman not end up with blood on him? Do his clothes match with what he said happened when you look at it again and look at the clothing? The grass stains do, but does the blood?

We are to believe that Zimmerman was on his back and drew his gun from his waistband holster (they don't specify when he kept it). So his access to this gun is going to be impaired if Trayvon is sitting on him pounding his face. Plus he's going to be on his back when he shoots unless Trayvon let him up.

Far too many questions for Zimmerman to not be kept for the 48 hours they are allowed to hold someone while they investigated the case. They questioned him and let him go. Perhaps they answered all this and never released it. But then you have Zimmerman not being tox screened and them sending a narcotics detective instead of a homicide detective to do the investigation (according to http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborhood-watch-killing-911-tape-reveals-racial-slur/story?id=15966309).

I'm not saying crucify Zimmerman or that he needs to have a bounty on his head. But the questions and no answers or address to them is not a positive sign that this crime was investigated properly. And since it has been weeks after the fact when the federal investigators were brought in, the chance of determining it given the iffy police work up front is going to be a lot less possible. That still does not mean Zimmerman's accounting is accurate until they exhausted possibilities. Not just go with what seems most apparent. If Zimmerman were fabricating, he'd pick the best explanation given the scene if he had planned or taken anytime at all to make something up. Plus his recollection of events are going to be driven out his natural bias in the situation, any person's view point would be.

Also in a gated community with a rash of breakins, I would think there would be some home security and other security cameras installed to try to curtail it. Especially on the "clubhouse" Zimmerman references in his 911 call.

My favorite aunt is hearing-impaired. She just said, "you complete me."

Warning may impair judgment in felines and humans.

@ZappaDanMan you can tell they're highly educated and cultured people by all of the art on the walls.

On another note; a few days ago I learned the specific differences between an impairment and a disability. An impairment would be something that prevents you from doing something, i.e. you lost your legs so you can't physically walk anymore, or you don't speak the native language because you didn't grow up in a house where it was spoken.

A disability, on the other hand, is actual disabling effects society creates as a result of an impairment. So these girls, with their hate mongering, are the exact reason why people are disabled further in society.

:-( sad really

>> ^bmacs27:

Sounds to me like he solved his problem. Pop a pill before the audition man. What else are you looking for?
(I'm at a university studying neuroscience)


Um, how about not having to be constantly popping pills just to talk. Especially because Ambien's effects include sedative/hypnotic and memory impairing effects... yeah, that'd be great for a voice actor.