They do like to complicate things, eh. It's like the Christians Trinity; are they three, or one? Argh!!

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^hpqp:
@NetRunner: the keyword you're looking for is "false flag", the conspiracy theorist's go to term when trying to blame something on Big Guvmint, the NWO or the Illuminati.

But their insanity isn't even that basic. Even a false flag assault theory is MUCH simpler if you just declare the hijackers in the planes were part of the conspiracy, and that's still what took down the towers. The whole controlled demo stuff is just a recruitment tool to draw the insane and paranoid into the fold.

>> ^hpqp:

@NetRunner: the keyword you're looking for is "false flag", the conspiracy theorist's go to term when trying to blame something on Big Guvmint, the NWO or the Illuminati.


Dude, you need to play Deus Ex: Human Revolutions... F'in Illuminati be all up in that shit.

>> ^hpqp:

@NetRunner: the keyword you're looking for is "false flag", the conspiracy theorist's go to term when trying to blame something on Big Guvmint, the NWO or the Illuminati.


But their insanity isn't even that basic. Even a false flag assault theory is MUCH simpler if you just declare the hijackers in the planes were part of the conspiracy, and that's still what took down the towers. The whole controlled demo stuff is just a recruitment tool to draw the insane and paranoid into the fold.

@NetRunner: the keyword you're looking for is "false flag", the conspiracy theorist's go to term when trying to blame something on Big Guvmint, the NWO or the Illuminati.

Very creative! Here's what you need to know about BHO.

He's a child of privilege posing as a downtrodden victim who somehow climbed out of America's drowning pool of "racism".

He isn't terribly bright but he knows what he's doing. He was nominated to assuage idiots' "White Guilt." He is an affirmative-action president with no real political credentials.

He's got a grudge against America, American Exceptionalism and free market capitalism. What the "Reverend" Jeremiah Wright believes, BARACK believes.

He's likely a closet atheist, but for now obviously can't admit it.

He has had no achievements to speak of since taking office, unless--UNLESS--you understand what his true motives are: turn America into just another forgettable Euro-dump with no identity. Suddenly it makes sense!

"BULLPLOP QM! Barack wants JOBS for Americans!" As long as he embraces Keynesian rubbish, it won't happen. And he can't turn back now.

The libmedia works for BHO as if they were being paid directly from the White House. They hide his gaffes, downplay his goof-ups and hide the results of his schemes.

America is worse off now than when this jug-eared socialist was elected.

I'm not a liberal (anymore) so I can't match wits wit the brilliant geniuses here, but the results of the BHO Fraudsidency speak for themselves. Every day.


>> ^Crosswords:

>> ^quantumushroom:
And when will Supergenius Barack Hussein Obama be releasing his kollij grades?

Never cause he's a Manchurian candidate created by the Kenyan Illuminati who control the world's drug companies. That's why he was so insistent on getting healthcare legislation passed, so he could make sure everyone could have access to the drugs and get them addicted so they can all be his mind slave zombies he'll use to make war on the peaceful utopian capitalist society on planet orbiting Gliese 581. If he had actually gone to college someone would have remembered him graduating magna cum laude from Harvard Law, but not surprisingly nobody ever saw him graduate, even his 238 year old lizard man Illuminati grandmother who's actually the queen of England never saw him graduate.

Did I do it right, can I vote republican now?

Not to mention, after all of that going off without a hitch, every one of the hundreds of ninja demomen involved kept their mouths shut and never told anyone.

The average person can't keep their mouth shut about office rumors and surprise parties; there's no way you could keep the thousands of people in on the plan all quiet.
>> ^ChaosEngine:

This is really getting a) old and b) laughable.
We are expected to believe that some elite group (who are these people btw? CIA? NSA? the illuminati?) managed to sneak tonnes of explosive into a building that was used daily by hundreds (thousands?) of people and no-one noticed or said anything?
Also if you've ever seen a controlled demolition site, it's covered in wires and cables and the explosives are strapped directly to the support columns. There isn't a single witness to this?
Finally, we're supposed to believe these same ninja demomen (presumably one-eyed black scots) are awesome enough to do all this but phenomenally stupid enough to make the whole thing look like a controlled explosion? They couldn't have detonated one side first and let it fall in a more chaotic and "believable" way?

Building number 7 descended in free-fall...


Why repeat this kind of easily and thoroughly debunked crap? And if you can debunk the debunking, do that. Focus on one thing, and actually make a case for it. Don't just throw out crap like this and pretend there isn't plenty of well researched answers that are a Google search away for anyone.

But, then again, don't bother. Aside from any particular physical evidence, even more clear is the fact that the "alternate" story doesn't make any sense. You want to start a war with Iraq or Afghanistan? How about you find some terrorists from one of those places instead of the random Saudis? Or do a reasonable job planting some WMDs (not memos or hearsay but real bloody stuff that you can bring back hard evidence of) in Iraq (which would have been a hell of a lot easier and better, surer motivation for war). Another idea: find a terrorist plot that would work on its own, instead of a weird compound plot where you fly in some planes, but then also have explosives. It makes no sense.

And why the hell would you bother with tower 7? It just increases your risk of detection without anyone giving a single crap. How many people were going to say, "well, the terrorists got the big towers... but they didn't hurt tower 7, so we don't need to go to war". It's just so very dumb, and it's the kind of mistake not compatible with an otherwise apparently magical, omniscient, undetectable operation.

I can scarcely imagine a bizarre universe where any of this makes sense. If I'm some Illuminati type who can pull of 9/11 the way these guys describe, I could have come up with a million cheaper, easier, surer plans - or even just simple variations that would have decreased risk of detection, funneled American reaction better, and generally been not batshit insane.

Sure people have profited from 9/11 - a lot of varied, disconnected people have probably got moderately rich. But if they needed money and had this kind of skill and willingness to kill thousands, they could have got it a lot of easier ways. Again, if you want to go to war with Iraq, launch a few missiles out of Baghdad into Israel. Boom. Easy (comparatively at least). Or just find a few Iraqis and blow them up somewhere sensitive (and maybe, again, plant some good evidence). Again, just put enough explosive (or, hell, a nuke) in their semi truck to blow up the building - no synchronized controlled demolition required. Or millions other easier, more foolproof plans.

It's like the fantastic idiots who believe Russians surgically modified children and crashed them in experimental aircraft by Roswell (or whatever). Yeah, sure, whatever... I guess it's possible (as in doesn't contravene laws of physics) and I suppose it is an explanation for certain people's claims of experiences. But it's also complete nonsense. It's not a plan that makes sense to work towards any possible goal. And, like these WTC conspiracies, it's trivial to come up with much better plans that don't require nearly the work or risk and accomplish goals easier and better.

>> ^quantumushroom:

And when will Supergenius Barack Hussein Obama be releasing his kollij grades?


Never cause he's a Manchurian candidate created by the Kenyan Illuminati who control the world's drug companies. That's why he was so insistent on getting healthcare legislation passed, so he could make sure everyone could have access to the drugs and get them addicted so they can all be his mind slave zombies he'll use to make war on the peaceful utopian capitalist society on planet orbiting Gliese 581. If he had actually gone to college someone would have remembered him graduating magna cum laude from Harvard Law, but not surprisingly nobody ever saw him graduate, even his 238 year old lizard man Illuminati grandmother who's actually the queen of England never saw him graduate.


Did I do it right, can I vote republican now?

This is really getting a) old and b) laughable.

We are expected to believe that some elite group (who are these people btw? CIA? NSA? the illuminati?) managed to sneak tonnes of explosive into a building that was used daily by hundreds (thousands?) of people and no-one noticed or said anything?

Also if you've ever seen a controlled demolition site, it's covered in wires and cables and the explosives are strapped directly to the support columns. There isn't a single witness to this?

Finally, we're supposed to believe these same ninja demomen (presumably one-eyed black scots) are awesome enough to do all this but phenomenally stupid enough to make the whole thing look like a controlled explosion? They couldn't have detonated one side first and let it fall in a more chaotic and "believable" way?

>> ^hpqp:

You're such a charmer.
Unfortunately, I cannot ingest water because I am a surveillance bot at the service of the guv'mint, Big Pharma, the Zionists and the Illuminati. Water would only destroy my circui-- ooooh, I see what you tried there!
>> ^marbles:
>> ^hpqp:
homeopathy doesn't have bad side effects either, you know.

Really? Does it cure immaturity and gross ignorance? Maybe you should look into it if so.



A dis-info agent/apologist working for the government. That wouldn't surprise me.

>> ^EMPIRE:

I don't know if you're american or british or from some other country where english is the native tongue, but here's what you said:
"People who make generalized statements about groups of people are idiots. Seriously."
People is not only plural, it means a group of individuals. But, why I am surprised you wouldn't know something that basic and then try to subvert things to make it look like something else entirely? You're a conspiracy theorist.
Go pester the illuminati or something.
>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^EMPIRE:
If you can't see the irony in what you just said... lol
But I'll change what I said. Conspiracy theorists are idiots...... or suffer from acute paranoia.
>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^EMPIRE:
>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^EMPIRE:
Conspiracy theorist are all idiots. Seriously.

You know what? Fuck you. Seriously.

Thanks for coming out of the closet.

LOL Out of the closet? Where have you been?
How about this People who make generalized statements about groups of people are idiots. Seriously.


Yeah? Exactly how is what I said ironic? I didn't make a generalized statement about a certain group of people. I made a statement about specific people, you in perticular.



LOL. OK. Which group of people am I referring to then Einstein? I didn't know there was a name or catagory for people who make generalized statements. Your argument is not valid, sorry.

I don't know if you're american or british or from some other country where english is the native tongue, but here's what you said:

"People who make generalized statements about groups of people are idiots. Seriously."

People is not only plural, it means a group of individuals. But, why I am surprised you wouldn't know something that basic and then try to subvert things to make it look like something else entirely? You're a conspiracy theorist.

Go pester the illuminati or something.

>> ^Duckman33:

>> ^EMPIRE:
If you can't see the irony in what you just said... lol
But I'll change what I said. Conspiracy theorists are idiots...... or suffer from acute paranoia.
>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^EMPIRE:
>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^EMPIRE:
Conspiracy theorist are all idiots. Seriously.

You know what? Fuck you. Seriously.

Thanks for coming out of the closet.

LOL Out of the closet? Where have you been?
How about this People who make generalized statements about groups of people are idiots. Seriously.


Yeah? Exactly how is what I said ironic? I didn't make a generalized statement about a certain group of people. I made a statement about specific people, you in perticular.

Yes, yes. Any school with famous liberals who graduated are now completely invalid as educational institutions. That's how you get around that one. Harvard Law is a crap school. So here are the conservative graduates who also don't have a valid degree according to you:

Chief Justice John Roberts
Former Chief Justice William Rehnquist
Justice Antonin Scalia
George W. Bush
William Bennett
Henry Paulson
Bill Frist
Ted "Series of Tubes" Stevens
Mitt Romney
Alan Keyes
Lou Dobbs
Bill O'Reilly

Man... too bad they must all be idiots... and they clearly don't have a grasp on being "American".

Do you ever stop and think before you say things like that?

You don't get to invalidate someone's academic achievement because you politically disagree with them... Well, you can, but it just makes you look incredibly stupid. There's something horribly wrong with people who look down on someone's intelligence despite graduating from one of the elite colleges in the US because they disagree with them. Ridiculous...

Sarah Palin can really galvanize and lead, eh?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/07/palin-unfavorable-rating-reaches-new-high/

What, are all polls now liberally biased, too?!

And nice try attempting to make this about how well Obama has done as President. That wasn't the debate. You said Palin is just as smart, if not smarter, than Obama. She's not. Period. You can't even sanely argue that she is. She's of average to above average intelligence overall, but sorely lacks knowledge of the economy, foreign policy, and other crucial topics needed to be a good president. Plain and simple. Your political leanings shouldn't cloud that assessment. There are plenty of right wingers who also can accept Palin just isn't smart, and Obama is.

Bonus: The only person who brought up Al Gore is you. This isn't a liberal vs conservative thing. This is you saying idiotic things flying in the face of simple facts.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Did you seriously just say Obama's intellect is comparable to Palin's?!
Palin has a far better grasp on what it means to be an American than a bitter leftist who sat in a hate-Whitey church for 20-plus years. His Earness is endlessly promoted by His media lackeys, so a fair comparison is not possible.
SERIOUSLY?!?!?!? Look, gaffes aside, Obama graduated from Harvard Law School with a JD magna cum laude. Palin took six years to get a bachelor's degree in communications bouncing around from school to school to get it!
You might have had a point when Harvard wasn't a politically-correct degree mill. Speaking of kollij, we will never see Obama's kollij papers to know his genius even then. Community organizer? Do you even need higher education to become a rabble-rousing 'activist'?
Dude, if the conservative/libertarian ideology concluded the world is flat, would you spout that crap, too?! In fact, your beloved Ron Paul wouldn't tell Obama he's not smart enough to be president.
I don't need any labels to denounce His Earness. I merely observe the results of his incompetence (or genius, for those promoting the one-world illuminati worldview). His results are indefensible by any metric you care to name.
Just ridiculous. I get you don't like Obama, but that doesn't mean you should ignore basic fact. And I'm sorry, but she's simply not smart enough to be president. This has nothing to do with her ideology. Plenty of conservative politicians are out there who have the intellectual capacity to be president, but she's not one of them.
Due to an unfortunate media-created outbreak of Palin Derangement Syndrome, your observation cannot be quantified. Anyone here think Joe Biden is smart enough to operate a doorknob much less be President?
BONUS NO. 2 -- "Who are these people?" -- mid-90s Vice President and supergenius Al Gore, referring to the busts of Jefferson, Washington and Franklin during a tour of Monticello, home of Thomas Jefferson.