In hypnosis, we call what he said a suggestibility test.

I'd like to see some scientific data on self-hypnosis. It's self-hypnosis which makes us fall in "love" with something; consistently thinking about, and then self-affirming that what you believe about that individual or idea is true. This is what leads to the unshaking belief structures that we all hold. It'd be interesting to see some research into that, as well as what causes it and why.

Faith it seems is for those that don't want to be burdened to think.

THIS IS LIES SIMPLY BECAUSE WE KNOW SCIENTIFICALLY THAT YOU CANNOT HEAL PEOPLE WITH JUSES.

The problem is christian healing is presented as science fact , not as a magic trick or hypnosis that is what makes it a lie because it operates on exploiting peoples lack of rationality or knowledge.

If i was to post a video about perpetual motion engine that was blatantly not a perpetual motion engine because the method had already been dis proven then it would be a appropriate to put *lies.

If this video is for real and not people joking about stupid christian behavior it is infact lies and retarded.

I like several things he says, but especially:

"It's like mashed potatoes, but it's not mashed and it's not potatoes."

That's exactly what all these other space aliens sound like when they try to explain what "it" is. Scientology is NOT just like every other religion. No other religion is so clearly documented as a money-sucking scam. Read the well researched Hubbard bio, BARE-FACED MESSIAH on the Xenu website. No other religion keeps their genesis story secret until you reach the $200,000 level, and then you find out it is Xenu! Hubbard pasted religion on his self-help hypnosis scam, and 99.X% of the people who are alive today, and got roped into Hubbard's scam when he was alive, are no longer in the cult.

They never put old people in these videos because they are so f'd up and unintelligible, they can't even fake exuberance anymore. It is like they make a ploy for lonely, desperate young people who want new friends, and to try something mysterious, but Scientology is no longer a mystery.

Hubbard's REAL claims are as far out as red shirt's proclamations. DC-8 replicas 75 million years ago, and streets that look "much the same as they do today."

If psychedelics are "shortcuts", so are hypnosis, lucid dreaming, and meditation, ...oh and fasting, and church services, oh and the wisdom of daily experience too!

Is there really and basis for assigning relative value to any of these forms of experience -- value that you think applies to other people?

Why do people form such strong opinions about things they don't understand?

>> ^WaterDweller:
I mush prefer the longer, safer route through meditation, hypnosis and lucid dreaming, rather than risky shortcuts like shrooms and stuff.


^ This is what I mean! You don't need drugs! Don't cheat!

>> ^RhesusMonk:
>> ^SaNdMaN:
But how can he be so confident that this would work? It seems like one of those things that would not work on everyone. What if he does the trick and it fails on live TV?

This is called Neurolinguistc Programming (NLP) and is based strongly in Gestalt psychology and a huge amount of statistical data produced in the 1970s and 80s concerning how human brains associate speech, concepts and sensations and what the testable results of those associations are. The actual origin of the phenomenon/heuristic is fascinating (literally a combination of psychology and math), and is a must-read for people interested in how humans influence and are influenced. For a long time it was used as a kind of quick-fix psychotherapy a la behavioral modification in clinical settings (patients would be imparted with associations of sensation and cognition without conscious awareness in order to relieve symptoms). These days, it's used in board rooms and at card tables as well. Not all of it works all the time, but unless you're performing tricks for an audience, no one is even going to know you're trying, so failure looks the same as doing nothing at all. Derren Brown is not just a practitioner of this art, he is a major contributing pioneer; he is, as he mentioned, aware of the risks of failure, and he has even stated that this awareness, imparted to his subjects, is immensely influential in getting the tricks to succeed.


I'm aware that it's NPL, but NPL doesn't work with everyone, just like hypnosis doesn't work with everyone. Yet he supposedly uses this technique in situations where he can't afford for it not to work. That's why I think he's using some other trick and just says that it's NLP.

Anyone know what happened that day that caused the run on the banks? Surely it wasn't just some mass-hypnosis caused by sunspots. What events of the day caused this to start.. and precisely at 11am? I suppose I could type that into google.

They basically are taking a Pew survey on "how religious are you" and mapping that to some IQ crap.
http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/iq_vs_religiosity.htm


The source for the "IQ chart" is a study written by two semi-retarded professors..
Dr. Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at the University of Ulster, Northern Ireland,
and Dr. Tatu Vanhanen, Professor Emeritus of Political Science at the University of Tampere, Tampere, Finland.

It is either from the 2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations
or the non-science followup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality

Interesting to sample

thanks

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
*promote *brain (where else does hypnosis/suggestion/placebo effect work?)

>> ^peggedbea:
1)haha, youll totally meet those nutjobs in costa rica, you can ask them about it.

I mean, if the doctor actually believes what he says, he has the power to revolutionize the treatment of this disease. If he believes the only reasons hypnosis doesn't work is because he doesn't believe it, he should gather up some nutjobs that do believe it. Maybe he could just tell these people it's warts. Then maybe they could reproduce the same results! This would be amazing. Why is he just sitting on his ass saying "oh well, I'm not sincere anymore so it can't work."

2)i think the point was that that the disease doesnt get better. its a congenital defect.

Well I mean, it's not like he lost a limb. It obviously can get better, because it DID get better! He was born with it, and I'm sure he still has the disorder, it just got much better for a while.

My point is, you should expect these things to happen. Cancer can go into remission. Sometimes it'll go into remission immediately after someone imagines the cancer melting off their body. You should expect these things to happen to individual people at some point. You should expect a person to exist that is so amazed by this that they tell the story to everyone who will listen. This is such a great story you should expect it to end up on TV even. That's great, but if you can't reproduce it and show a statistical difference between your group and a control group, you can't draw a causal relationship between the two events.

*promote *brain (where else does hypnosis/suggestion/placebo effect work?)

Thanks for the vote of confidence on the channel. I need to update that description. I've relaxed the rule somewhat, allowing a number of videos in which an "explanation" is implied. Basically, if it has enough description or info about a particular brain or mind process to imply some definite attribute of minds, then it's in.

When I created the channel, I specifically wanted to avoid it becoming a collection of videos about optical illusions, derren brown clips, and demonstrations by savants and other really smart people. The problem is, if I allow those things, then it is hard to argue against including videos of just about any demonstration of mental behavior, which would pretty much include everything on VS. In practice I don't think it's a problem, but I'm too much of a math geek to have such a loose definition.

Actually, the main problem is that I really don't have the time to properly manage a channel. At least, not in the way I would want to do so.

Despite all that and the fact that it only contains about 100 vids or so, I really do like that virtually every one of them can teach people about how their minds work.


In reply to this comment by Zonbie:
hey jonny, I replied to this, your channel is good!

a good rule -

anything that demonstrates the strengths and weaknesses of the brain, from hypnosis to manipulation, and how it works, all in this channel ----

(take out the requires explaining bit )

I hope you stick with it - good luck!

My girl has posted to relavant videos recently to your brain channel

hey jonny, I replied to this, your channel is good!

a good rule -

anything that demonstrates the strengths and weaknesses of the brain, from hypnosis to manipulation, and how it works, all in this channel ----

(take out the requires explaining bit )

I hope you stick with it - good luck!

My girl has posted to relavant videos recently to your brain channel

In reply to this comment by jonny:
Actually, I've been thinking about abandoning the "Mind & Brain" channel. It hasn't worked out nearly as well as I'd hoped. Part of the problem is that most videos that go into it are Long, and I just don't have time to watch them all. The bigger problem, though, is that I can't seem to come up with a good rule for what does and doesn't belong in the channel.

Anyway, *-brain is yours if you want it, and you can retool it however you like. I'll take all the current vids (less than 100) in the channel and make a playlist.

One note of caution - there is a user named 'brain' and there have been a couple of minor technical issues (mixed up avatars, etc.) that Lucky needs to fix.

[edit] weirdness abounds - siftbot keeps changing my 'less than' sign into an asterisk (< 100).

aha yes the *brains channel - well jonny - is it kind of you to offer, I think there are a few more out there to try, and I think you should stick with the channel - I know alot of stuff must be long in there - however you should redefine it

From the molecular biology of neurons to theories of consciousness, the Mind and Brain channel is devoted to workings of the brain and its emergent mind. All videos in this channel offer some insight into the workings of brains (organic or synthetic). Videos of trippy optical illusions and Derren Brown mind tricks are generally not acceptable - unless, of course, they contain some explanation of how the brain is being manipulated to produce the demonstrated results.

to include any hypnosis or other trick, optical illusion - that while no prehaps expalaining the effect, requires the brain for the trickery to work.

This should be a fantastic channel! Take out the bit that requires some explaining, and you can have a channel choc full of brainteasers, opticals, manipulation, experiments, hypnosis, and medical related stuff - it'll be great

In the meantime...just as a side note - no to *zombie channel, fun, but dark and horrowshow cover that nicely