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Giraffe Copenhagen Zoo chief: 'I like animals'

artician says...

This was a surprise. I was expecting "This guy is eloquent and intelligent" to be sarcasm. I thought the event being discussed was abhorrent and terrible, but he made an irrefutable case for it's legitimacy. I would think the people who came to watch the dissection of the giraffe would have known what they were in for beforehand, and his argument of the nature of it all, and the educational value (even just of the brutality of nature) struck me as sincere and realistic. Count me as having totally changed my mind of this incident. Sounds bad at first glance: actually has worth and was not necessarily an ignorant decision. I'm sure, and accept, that a lot of people will still disagree, but I'm glad I watched this.

Giraffe Copenhagen Zoo chief: 'I like animals'

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

oritteropo says...

Advertising? They're very popular with the zoo-going public. Also, two of the subspecies are at least somewhat endangered - http://www.giraffeconservation.org/giraffe_facts.php?pgid=40 (although Marius wasn't a member of either, he looked like a Reticulated Giraffe, the most common captive Giraffe).

ChaosEngine said:

What I'm unclear about is why we need giraffes in zoos in the first place. They're not an endangered species, so I don't see the need for a breeding program.

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18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

ChaosEngine says...

That's the point. The zoo gave a rat's ass.

They didn't want it to end up in a circus.
They didn't want it used in a breeding program.
They didn't want to take up valuable space that could have been used for another more genetically useful giraffe.

Yeah, it seems cold and calculating, but there are reasons behind the decision.

What I'm unclear about is why we need giraffes in zoos in the first place. They're not an endangered species, so I don't see the need for a breeding program.

chingalera said:

How much lion meat and other stuff could a zoo buy with $680,000 from a private individual and who gives a rat's ass what the guy would have done with the beast?

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

lucky760 says...

You're comparing apples and apple seeds.

No one would be upset by a giraffe fetus being aborted.

And the people who are not upset by abortions would be very upset about an 18-month-old human being killed, dismembered, and fed to the house cats.

lantern53 said:

People get upset about a giraffe being killed but don't think twice about the number of aborted children in this world.

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

JustSaying says...

That is exactly what I find fucked up about this story. The public display.

Wouldn't it have been possible to sterilise the Giraffe instead of killing it? It could've still lived in another place.

EMPIRE said:

Who the hell takes children to watch the slaughter and dismemberment of an animal?

I understand it can have some sort of residual educational purpose, but still...it's pretty gore.

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

Jinx says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26118748

"Joerg Jebram, who oversees the European endangered species programme for giraffes, told the AP news agency: "Zoos could design new giraffe facilities, but many don't have that option.

"A young bull could theoretically be sent to an all-female group as stud, but experts prefer a larger, more mature male for that, and Marius didn't fit that bill.

"A final option is sending the giraffe to a zoo that doesn't participate in the EAZA-led breeding programme, but that could leave the giraffe or its offspring being sold into worse circumstances, such as those of a circus or private collection."

Copenhagen Zoo had turned down offers from at least two other zoos to take Marius and an offer from a private individual who wanted to buy the giraffe for 500,000 euros ($680,000).

Bengt Holst, Copenhagen Zoo's scientific director, said it had turned down an offer from Yorkshire Wildlife Park in the UK, which is a member of EAZA, because Marius' older brother lives there and the park's space could be better used by a "genetically more valuable giraffe"."

So yah. Who knew that the guys who made caring for animals their like, profession and stuff might actually have some like, reasons. and stuff. I know, I know, it doesn't make as great a headline as "Zoo murders and mutilates innocent giraffe in front of children. also aidsrape."

Yogi said:

I still don't understand why if they were getting offers why were they soo intent on killing it? The only possible theory I can come up with is that one of the zookeepers raped the giraffe and gave it aids. So he wanted him killed and disposed of so he wouldn't go somewhere else and have the aids traced back to him. It's just a theory, but so far it's aidstight. Oops Airtight.

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

18-Month-Old Healthy Giraffe Publicly Killed and Dismembered

lucky760 says...

I wonder if it would have triggered less (or more, for that matter) of an angry response if they'd just put the live giraffe in with the lions to be "hunted" and eaten "naturally."

bareboards2 said:

I rather admire the ethics of the zookeeper. They could have made big bucks for the zoo, but instead made the ethical choice of feeding the lions. Who eat meat.

The NYT article above walks us through the reasoning for this giraffe being part of the cycle of life -- albeit the unnatural cycle of life of a caged animal. And why "selling" the giraffe into a life of isolation would have been the cruel act.

Reminds me of a situation in San Francisco Bay, years ago. I may get some details wrong. There was an island with non-native deer, I think, with no natural predators. The deer were in danger of starving to death, so those in charge decided to do a controlled hunt.

All hell broke loose and the wildlife managers caved to public pressure. At ENORMOUS cost, the deer were airlifted into the wilds of Montana, or someplace like that.

The wildlife managers were smart though -- they put tags on the deer, or locator devices, or something. More than 50% of the deer were dead within six months -- killed on the roads, mostly. They didn't know how to live in their new environment.

We are getting so divorced from common sense in our modern world.

Nature is red in tooth and claw. Things die. Lions eat meat. And why not be thrilled for the lions, that they get their natural diet for a change?



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