Translation I did for the fun of it. The reporters are a bit chaotic and babbling -_-;;

Man: The plane flown by airline Lot, is one which has undergone many modernisations, and even if it is 5, 10 or 12 years old well that is...
Women: (cuts in) The plane is landing, we have footage. It looks like the emergency landing attempt is successful. It landed without the landing gear.
Man : (talking over woman) It looks like it's landing on a cushion of foam.
Woman: (continuing to talk simultaneously) a foam cushion, yes that's right that's what was prepared.
Man: That's also the reason for what's happening behind the plane at this moment it is plumes of vaporised foam or other liquids. Ah it seems it is now scraping the runway with the right engine, because it's sparking.
Woman: (cutting in) Yes but it is after all as the Pawel Frondczak, spokesman for the state fire department said, the runway has been coated with a special foam in preparation, and it seems this was a wise move and plane has now landed, stopped and nothing has happened.
Man: And the most important thing now is the next 20-30 seconds, ladies and gentlemen, you'll see in a moment how quickly the fire trucks will arrive on the scene. These are special modern fire trucks which are capable of accelerating up to 140km/h on this runway, so that they can reach the plane as soon as possible. And in a moment they will probably be dousing it with fire extinguishing foam, in particular, though we cannot see in this shot, the engine on the right side of the plane which scraped the runway will be among the first sections to be doused with foam.

WITH GOOD CAUSE:

On November 21, 1980, the Los Angeles fire department responded to a 911 call from Henley's house. Inside they found an unconscious 16-year-old prostitute who later was determined to have overdosed on cocaine. Henley pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and received two years' probation.


There's just not enough love in the world.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Little known fact: Most cats are allergic to Don Henley.

I hope your house burns down and you'd too dumb to call the socialist fire department for help.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Who says these stinking marxist vermin don't have jobs, they're ALL doing a fine job of discrediting their "movement".

Speaking of movements...

Bonus: creating sympathy for token FOX liberal Geraldo

>> ^shogunkai:

>> ^blankfist:
I'm still not sure why people think taxing income is okay. And I'm speaking about federal income tax, not state and local. I think in times like this when the country is running record deficits, it should cut spending instead of looking elsewhere for more money.
I don't care about the guy in the video, I'm just curious what people's reasoning is on this because it seems to be such a hot button issue these days. That people really, really, really want taxes to be raised, and I don't understand it. Without spouting some tenuous social contract talking point, is there some reason why government should own the product of our labor? Keep in mind income tax only makes up a third of the federal revenue, although some charts go as high as 45%. And most states and local governments collect income tax already, and that's where we already fund the important stuff like police, fire departments and roads.
One thing that's never mentioned in these cases is that the majority of our taxes goes to militarism, nation-building, corporate welfare and wars. I'm okay with creating an excise tax for paying for roads, police, etc. But that's not what federal income tax goes to. Why can't we work on cutting the bad spending first (wars being number one on that list)? And then we can have a dialog about what we need to fund after that?
I just think all this chest thumping to raise taxes is silly when it's being spent for shit most of you hate. Anyone? Anyone?

Yes, I'm sure if you get rid of income taxes people will donate money to build roads and fund schools. I'm sure the person making 600k a year would gladly give the same percentage of their income as someone making 40k a year.


maybe roads, but not the schools... slaves need to be able to get from pyramid to pyramid... they don't need to read roadsigns... there are slave drivers with whips for that

>> ^blankfist:

I'm still not sure why people think taxing income is okay. And I'm speaking about federal income tax, not state and local. I think in times like this when the country is running record deficits, it should cut spending not look elsewhere for more money.
I don't care about the guy in the video, I'm just curious what people's reasoning is on this because it seems to be such a hot button issue these days. That people really, really, really want taxes to be raised, and I don't understand it. Without spouting some tenuous social contract talking point, is there some reason why government should own the product of our labor? Keep in mind income tax only makes up a third of the federal revenue, although some charts go as high as 45%. And most states and local governments collect income tax already, and that's where we already fund the important stuff like police, fire departments and roads.
One thing that's never mentioned in these cases is that the majority of our taxes goes to militarism, nation-building, corporate welfare and wars. I'm okay with creating an excise tax for paying for roads, police, etc. But that's not what federal income tax goes to. Why can't we work on cutting the bad spending first (wars being number one on that list)? And then we can have a dialog about what we need to fund after that?
I just think all this chest thumping to raise taxes is silly when it's being spent for shit most of you hate. Anyone? Anyone?


Can you really not differentiate between how the money is collected and what it's spent on? It is possible to be against militarism, the war on drugs, etc, and not have a problem with how the money is collected.

As for taxing income, I have no problem with it whatsoever. I earn good money and I have no problem contributing money to the society in which I reside. Taxes as a general rule are a good way to insure that everyone pays.

I'm still not sure why people think taxing income is okay. And I'm speaking about federal income tax, not state and local. I think in times like this when the country is running record deficits, it should cut spending instead of looking elsewhere for more money.

I don't care about the guy in the video, I'm just curious what people's reasoning is on this because it seems to be such a hot button issue these days. That people really, really, really want taxes to be raised, and I don't understand it. Without spouting some tenuous social contract talking point, is there some reason why government should own the product of our labor? Keep in mind income tax only makes up a third of the federal revenue, although some charts go as high as 45%. And most states and local governments collect income tax already, and that's where we already fund the important stuff like police, fire departments and roads.

One thing that's never mentioned in these cases is that the majority of our taxes goes to militarism, nation-building, corporate welfare and wars. I'm okay with creating an excise tax for paying for roads, police, etc. But that's not what federal income tax goes to. Why can't we work on cutting the bad spending first (wars being number one on that list)? And then we can have a dialog about what we need to fund after that?

I just think all this chest thumping to raise taxes is silly when it's being spent for shit most of you hate. Anyone? Anyone?

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

The society you are a part of derives its power from the consent of the governed. You may disagree with the social contract you are a part of , but your choices are:
A) work within the society to change the parts you disagree with
B) leave the society and go somewhere with more individual freedom (good luck with that, maybe Somalia)
C) complain that the government is "stealing" your money and slowly devolve into a Bachmanesque ideologue who can't be taken seriously.>> ^blankfist:

>> ^dag:
Ok - you stay off our roads, out of our libraries and promise never to call the fire department then we'll talk.>> ^blankfist:
Sounds great. Just don't steal my money to fund it.


Let's see. Pretty sure roads are paid for by a gasoline excise tax, who the hell goes to libraries now that we have the internet and book stores, and last I checked the fire department is paid for by local taxes not Federal.
I want to pay for services, just want to pick those services. Roads, security and fire? I'd pay for those voluntarily. Social security? Not so much.

>> ^dag:

Ok - you stay off our roads, out of our libraries and promise never to call the fire department then we'll talk.>> ^blankfist:
Sounds great. Just don't steal my money to fund it.



Let's see. Pretty sure roads are paid for by a gasoline excise tax, who the hell goes to libraries now that we have the internet and book stores, and last I checked the fire department is paid for by local taxes not Federal.

I want to pay for services, just want to pick those services. Roads, security and fire? I'd pay for those voluntarily. Social security? Not so much.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Ok - you stay off our roads, out of our libraries and promise never to call the fire department *then* we'll talk.>> ^blankfist:

Sounds great. Just don't steal my money to fund it.

Jesus christ, that annoying laughter must have that poor kitten more frightened than being stuck in the pipe...

Also, you'd think the fire department would inspect their own facilities to ensure they were up to code. Doesn't really look that way here in One-Eyed Pete's home town...

>> ^MarineGunrock:

@NetRunner: I read all the comments. I realize it wasn't all that quick, but they dismissed them all the same.


The ordinance passed 5 (or 6?) to 1. Two members were clearly sympathetic to the crowd, all were respectful, but honestly it was a stupid protest. Especially when it sinks in that lockboxes have been required in Cedar Falls for 7 years, no crimes have ever been reported, and it's the fire department pushing for the ordinance on the grounds of reducing property damage and loss of life.

If the fate of Cedar Falls means a lot to you, here's the top level link to all their meetings.

My guess? The city still stands, and other than a few landlords buying lockboxes, their lives have been largely unaltered from how it was a month ago.

>> ^burdturgler:

So .. Why do I think the odds of a fireman robbing my business with an axe is zero? Risk of detection. During the crime. Yes, whoever compromises the lockbox may be detected after the crime, but by then my shit is already stolen.

Detection by who? Neighbors? Easy, wear your gear, break down the door. If someone asks what's going on, say "got a report about someone smelling smoke." Stuff the baggy uniform with whatever you like, then walk out and say "false alarm."

>> ^burdturgler:
You know, police have similar methods with weapons, maintaining inventory and control over ammunition and firearms, making authorized personnel sign out for things .. yet innocent people still get shot.

Umm, I'm sure guns and ammo have been stolen from cops, but I doubt it's the leading source of guns used to commit crimes. Besides this is sorta my point, all the precautions in the world won't guarantee you won't get robbed. Even the police get robbed.

You could just as easily wind up burned alive in your house because it took the fire fighters too long to bash down your door. That seems worse than the infinitesimally small added risk that you might get robbed because there was a fire lockbox outside.

>> ^burdturgler:
Besides all that, it's my place. Seriously, do I not have the right to decide who I give the keys to my property? You're literally saying it's OK to rip my keys out of my hand because that's what's in the greater good. I just think, fuck that. It's my place. Use "one of their battering-rams designed for forcibly opening locked doors".

Well, sure, you have the right to give a key to whoever you like. But the thing is, the fire department is legally allowed to enter your home without your permission now, solely on the basis of their own judgement about whether it's warranted or not.

Giving them a key isn't some big change in terms of the limits on your rights to control access to your residence, the legal authorization for the fire department to do their job without your express consent was.

For some reason you're comfortable with them having the legal authority to damage your property and enter your home at will, but not for them to enter your home at will without the property damage.

>> ^burdturgler:
Also, banks do physical security for shit as well. Banks get physically robbed easily and fairly often. Seems like I hear way more about bank robberies than I do about 'thwarted' bank robberies anyway.
Maybe that's just cable "news" though.


Yeah, that's more of a cable news thing. The real wealth of banks is really, really hard to steal these days because it's not kept in cash or in some vault. Bank branches don't really have much of value in them at all.

I mean think about it, do you really think there are physical paper bills for all the dollars in every account everywhere in the world? For even 10%?

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^burdturgler:
BTW, pass my congrats on to your banking colleagues for the bang-up job they're doing with security. Thank God there are professionals on the scene to ensure that no one ever gets their private banking information compromised. Whew. What a relief
Banks would completely not give a fuck about safeguarding anyone's personal information if it weren't for government regulations forcing them to. And I can report firsthand that the way management looks on it is something to be done as cheaply and incompletely as the law will allow.
Safeguards against things that could actually result in someone being able to commit fraud or otherwise steal money are in a completely different category, and the object of many millions of dollars worth of security.
>> ^burdturgler:
Odds of a fireman robbing my business with an axe .. zero.
Odds of my business being robbed by someone when my key is available .. greater than zero.
Of course, most crooks would sign out for keys before robbing someone, so you have a good point with the whole paper trail thing.
All jokes aside .. I do love you! .. lol I wonder if I'm slipping to the darkside tbh.

Why do you think the odds of a fireman robbing your business with an axe (or more probably, one of their battering-rams designed for forcibly opening locked doors) is zero? Trust in the fire department? False belief that your door is impervious to such techniques?
The point of the safeguard I mentioned is to make sure that if keys go missing, it's known about immediately. Plus it's a ritual that reinforces the importance of keeping that key secure. Picking supervisors as the only people authorized people who gets them protects against people getting a job at the fire department just to get access to the keys. Putting them in a safe makes sure only the authorized firemen ever have physical access to them.
Is it perfect? No. Better than hanging them on the wall in the firehouse? Absolutely.
Bank security is full of that kind of shit. Logs, log review, tracking, authentication, access control, access review, checks and balances on access reviewers, background checks, etc. Banks do physical security really well, and electronic security about as well as a big organization can, at least when it comes to protecting us against electronic theft that might hurt our bottom line...
But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Fire Department has keys into our offices and server rooms. But then that's definitely true at the Nationwide Insurance buildings downtown where I used to work years ago.
Oh, and I love you too. You've just been sounding like some sort of libertarian lately though, with the "the government is wants to take my keys so they can commit unspeakable evil with them" thing here and "amorally maximizing profit is the only way anything is ever going to work, so stop asking our Galtian overlords to behave ethically" in the other.
Kinda scary!


I was taught by Yoda (schmawy) to never let an argument from one post bleed into another.

So .. Why do I think the odds of a fireman robbing my business with an axe is zero? Risk of detection. During the crime. Yes, whoever compromises the lockbox may be detected after the crime, but by then my shit is already stolen.

You know, police have similar methods with weapons, maintaining inventory and control over ammunition and firearms, making authorized personnel sign out for things .. yet innocent people still get shot. Nothing helps much after the crime is committed.

Besides all that, it's my place. Seriously, do I not have the right to decide who I give the keys to my property? You're literally saying it's OK to rip my keys out of my hand because that's what's in the greater good. I just think, fuck that. It's my place. Use "one of their battering-rams designed for forcibly opening locked doors". Also, banks do physical security for shit as well. Banks get physically robbed easily and fairly often. Seems like I hear way more about bank robberies than I do about 'thwarted' bank robberies anyway.

Maybe that's just cable "news" though (sorry schmawy)

>> ^burdturgler:

BTW, pass my congrats on to your banking colleagues for the bang-up job they're doing with security. Thank God there are professionals on the scene to ensure that no one ever gets their private banking information compromised. Whew. What a relief

Banks would completely not give a fuck about safeguarding anyone's personal information if it weren't for government regulations forcing them to. And I can report firsthand that the way management looks on it is something to be done as cheaply and incompletely as the law will allow.

Safeguards against things that could actually result in someone being able to commit fraud or otherwise steal money are in a completely different category, and the object of many millions of dollars worth of security.

>> ^burdturgler:
Odds of a fireman robbing my business with an axe .. zero.
Odds of my business being robbed by someone when my key is available .. greater than zero.
Of course, most crooks would sign out for keys before robbing someone, so you have a good point with the whole paper trail thing.
All jokes aside .. I do love you! .. lol I wonder if I'm slipping to the darkside tbh.


Why do you think the odds of a fireman robbing your business with an axe (or more probably, one of their battering-rams designed for forcibly opening locked doors) is zero? Trust in the fire department? False belief that your door is impervious to such techniques?

The point of the safeguard I mentioned is to make sure that if keys go missing, it's known about immediately. Plus it's a ritual that reinforces the importance of keeping that key secure. Picking supervisors as the only people authorized people who gets them protects against people getting a job at the fire department just to get access to the keys. Putting them in a safe makes sure only the authorized firemen ever have physical access to them.

Is it perfect? No. Better than hanging them on the wall in the firehouse? Absolutely.

Bank security is full of that kind of shit. Logs, log review, tracking, authentication, access control, access review, checks and balances on access reviewers, background checks, etc. Banks do physical security really well, and electronic security about as well as a big organization can, at least when it comes to protecting us against electronic theft that might hurt our bottom line...

But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Fire Department has keys into our offices and server rooms. But then that's definitely true at the Nationwide Insurance buildings downtown where I used to work years ago.

Oh, and I love you too. You've just been sounding like some sort of libertarian lately though, with the "the government is wants to take my keys so they can commit unspeakable evil with them" thing here and "amorally maximizing profit is the only way anything is ever going to work, so stop asking our Galtian overlords to behave ethically" in the other.

Kinda scary!