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>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

>> ^Porksandwich:
>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Absolutely. And the rest of the world has the right to tell One Million Moms to fuck off.
>> ^Porksandwich:
I think it's wrong to tell them to fire her because she's gay. But....... I think you should be allowed to express your dissatisfaction when a company you have dealings with does business with someone you don't like/approve of/whatever.

Yeah, but the Bill O'Reilly stance on this just comes off a little strange, like no one in the world has ever disapproved of a business spokesman, sports team mascot, etc, based on looks, lifestyle, religion, etc.
The stance seems to be at Fletch says it, phony for the appearance of "fairness".
Oh, yes, 100% agreed. Sorry, I wasn't arguing against you really.


I was half suspecting he was after the "gay" money/support, since there are many well-to-do gay people who support people who are for their rights. But I feel more confident of that now that others are pointing out that it seems out of character for him.

>> ^Porksandwich:

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Absolutely. And the rest of the world has the right to tell One Million Moms to fuck off.
>> ^Porksandwich:
I think it's wrong to tell them to fire her because she's gay. But....... I think you should be allowed to express your dissatisfaction when a company you have dealings with does business with someone you don't like/approve of/whatever.

Yeah, but the Bill O'Reilly stance on this just comes off a little strange, like no one in the world has ever disapproved of a business spokesman, sports team mascot, etc, based on looks, lifestyle, religion, etc.
The stance seems to be at Fletch says it, phony for the appearance of "fairness".
Oh, yes, 100% agreed. Sorry, I wasn't arguing against you really.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

Absolutely. And the rest of the world has the right to tell One Million Moms to fuck off.
>> ^Porksandwich:
I think it's wrong to tell them to fire her because she's gay. But....... I think you should be allowed to express your dissatisfaction when a company you have dealings with does business with someone you don't like/approve of/whatever.


Yeah, but the Bill O'Reilly stance on this just comes off a little strange, like no one in the world has ever disapproved of a business spokesman, sports team mascot, etc, based on looks, lifestyle, religion, etc.

The stance seems to be at Fletch says it, phony for the appearance of "fairness".

Absolutely. And the rest of the world has the right to tell One Million Moms to fuck off.
>> ^Porksandwich:

I think it's wrong to tell them to fire her because she's gay. But....... I think you should be allowed to express your dissatisfaction when a company you have dealings with does business with someone you don't like/approve of/whatever.

HAHAHA That made me lol>> ^petpeeved:

Much like the tides, Billo is occasionally inexplicable; sanity goes out, sanity comes back in.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

>> ^solecist:
ellen degeneres makes 45 million dollars a year
Many people richer than Ellen wouldn't, and haven't, and would never, do anything at all for this woman.


yeah, the rich hate appearing generous to an audience of millions while not having to spend one red cent of their own money.

>> ^solecist:

ellen degeneres makes 45 million dollars a year
Many people richer than Ellen wouldn't, and haven't, and would never, do anything at all for this woman.

ellen degeneres makes 45 million dollars a year

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Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

I understand your position. There's not a lot of nuance to it. You seem to view the world in shades of black and white. To you, I'm either enabling a free-speech utopia or "banning everyone I don't like".

Reality is a bit more complicated. I'm attempting to fairly enforce the guidelines of a community with many voices. I've said before that unlike many communities, what you say on VideoSift matters, for better or worse. Commenting is not pissing into the wind here. When a comment seems to squarely fall outside of the community guidelines we take notice.



You sound like someone who has some strong ideas about how online communities should work - I'm intrigued by them - and invite you to start your own community with your own set of guidelines (or lack thereof). Until GorillamanSift launches, please adhere to our guidelines or expect us to enforce them.

Cheers.

In reply to this comment by gorillaman:
The guidelines seem to specifically allow my comment - "It's okay to criticize ideas..."

You wrote them, you're free to interpret them however you want. I think I've tried to convince you in the past that you're following the wrong course here by banning everyone you don't like. You censor your site, the other guy does the same with his, on and on and pretty soon the entire internet is ruined. Can you even name a single place left in the world, online or otherwise, that allows real freedom of speech? No, not even 4chan.

This is a really important tool we're using right now, which represents a colossal step forward for our species. Consider whether my ideas are so terrible that you're willing to drag that step back a little.

Regardless, I've made comments like that before and I'll make them again in the future, unless you force me to stop. These thoughts are my identity and I have to express them. Do you want every interaction on the site to degenerate into sterile, polite small talk?

I can't allow myself to be subject to censorship and, with respect, can only ignore your warning.

In reply to this comment by dag:
Hi gorillaman - this is an official warning. Your comment is in violation of the Sift guidelines here. Further abuse may lead to suspension and/or permanent bannination. Thanks.

In reply to this comment by gorillaman:
So stop pretending jews are human beings.

The guidelines seem to specifically allow my comment - "It's okay to criticize ideas..."

You wrote them, you're free to interpret them however you want. I think I've tried to convince you in the past that you're following the wrong course here by banning everyone you don't like. You censor your site, the other guy does the same with his, on and on and pretty soon the entire internet is ruined. Can you even name a single place left in the world, online or otherwise, that allows real freedom of speech? No, not even 4chan.

This is a really important tool we're using right now, which represents a colossal step forward for our species. Consider whether my ideas are so terrible that you're willing to drag that step back a little.

Regardless, I've made comments like that before and I'll make them again in the future, unless you force me to stop. These thoughts are my identity and I have to express them. Do you want every interaction on the site to degenerate into sterile, polite small talk?

I can't allow myself to be subject to censorship and, with respect, can only ignore your warning.

In reply to this comment by dag:
Hi gorillaman - this is an official warning. Your comment is in violation of the Sift guidelines here. Further abuse may lead to suspension and/or permanent bannination. Thanks.

In reply to this comment by gorillaman:
So stop pretending jews are human beings.

I feel very sad for you.

But on a happy note, this video has gone wonderfully for Get Up, and one can only hope our darn Prime Minister legalises it...

I don't have anything against gay people. It isn't as if homosexuality is so much worse than any other sin, although all the baggage that comes with it can cause a society to become totally degenerate. Take the greeks for example.

I don't label it sin because I am afraid of it, or for a feeling of superiority. I don't think I am superior to any other human being. I call it sin because that is what God said it is. It's immoral and goes against Gods design, and nature itself. You call me intolerant but you aren't tolerant of my beliefs, so I don't think you have anything to say about tolerance.


>> ^spoco2:
Damnit SB... come here and fucking rain on a damn beautiful video.
I got into work this morning and saw the email from GetUp (the advocacy group who created this), and thought I'd give the video a watch, having no idea what it was about. I could tell there was a twist at the end... but, I guess I just don't even consider a gay relationship to be a 'twist', that it wasn't something that crossed my mind. (probably should have been, if I'd been thinking about it I would have thought what the hot topics in Australia are currently around relationships).
But really well done, really great.
It's so very sad that anyone can watch this and feel anything but joy for this 'couple' (I only put couple like that as they're actors, not real). @shinyblurry, you are filled with hate born from fear. You fear gay people because you fear anything different from your little world. You label it 'sin' to make yourself feel righteous about condemning it, but it comes down to you feeling 'icky' about two men lovin' it up because you haven't been exposed to it...
I feel very sad for you. <IMG class=smiley src="http://cdn.videosift.com/cdm/emoticon/frown.gif">
But on a happy note, this video has gone wonderfully for Get Up, and one can only hope our darn Prime Minister legalises it...

Are you high? Right wing media is juvenile 24-7. That is the strategy of right wing media, to keep you in a childlike state; too stupid and frightened to think for yourself. I agree that this is juvenile, but it succeeded because Bachmann is a bigoted, ignorant, dishonest and unpopular political figure of fun in the eyes of the public. I don't think they could have gotten away with it with anyone else in the GOP field, except for Santorum and possibly Perry. >> ^quantumushroom:

If someone claiming to be Right Wing pulled a juvenile stunt like this on, say, Ellen DeGeneres or Michelle Obama the first and loudest voices denouncing it would be from the Right. That's the difference.

>> ^quantumushroom:

If someone claiming to be Right Wing pulled a juvenile stunt like this on, say, Ellen DeGeneres or Michelle Obama the first and loudest voices denouncing it would be from the Right. That's the difference.


Yes, because they're always so quick to loudly denounce all the racist, bigoted, childish and/or vitriolic comments that emmanate from the maws of Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc.