>> ^artician:

Um...

But you'll probably just ignore that.
>> ^shinyblurry:
If you want to know how Satan works, at least on an overt level, watch how the emotions and excitement of the crowd are expertly cultivated and manipulated, and how their reactions are highlighted and emphasized in the video. Notice how the music and light and atmosphere was used to elicit these reactions, and how all of this was a precursor to the idol worship of these celebrities. You can see the spirit of the korean popular culture entirely manifest itself here. There is a subtle form of programming going on at this event to engender certain cultural norms within the south korean society. Those normative behaviors which will typify the personality traits Satan wishes to establish in the collective consciousness and delegitimize all the others. It's much less subtle when you see it in another culture, though it is happening just as powerfully and blatantly in this society as well, if you have eyes to see.



*cough*

>> ^artician:
Um...

But you'll probably just ignore that.
>> ^shinyblurry:
If you want to know how Satan works, at least on an overt level, watch how the emotions and excitement of the crowd are expertly cultivated and manipulated, and how their reactions are highlighted and emphasized in the video. Notice how the music and light and atmosphere was used to elicit these reactions, and how all of this was a precursor to the idol worship of these celebrities. You can see the spirit of the korean popular culture entirely manifest itself here. There is a subtle form of programming going on at this event to engender certain cultural norms within the south korean society. Those normative behaviors which will typify the personality traits Satan wishes to establish in the collective consciousness and delegitimize all the others. It's much less subtle when you see it in another culture, though it is happening just as powerfully and blatantly in this society as well, if you have eyes to see.

Um...


But you'll probably just ignore that.
>> ^shinyblurry:

If you want to know how Satan works, at least on an overt level, watch how the emotions and excitement of the crowd are expertly cultivated and manipulated, and how their reactions are highlighted and emphasized in the video. Notice how the music and light and atmosphere was used to elicit these reactions, and how all of this was a precursor to the idol worship of these celebrities. You can see the spirit of the korean popular culture entirely manifest itself here. There is a subtle form of programming going on at this event to engender certain cultural norms within the south korean society. Those normative behaviors which will typify the personality traits Satan wishes to establish in the collective consciousness and delegitimize all the others. It's much less subtle when you see it in another culture, though it is happening just as powerfully and blatantly in this society as well, if you have eyes to see.

>> ^shinyblurry:
If you want to know how Satan works, at least on an overt level, watch how the emotions and excitement of the crowd are expertly cultivated and manipulated, and how their reactions are highlighted and emphasized in the video. Notice how the music and light and atmosphere was used to elicit these reactions, and how all of this was a precursor to the idol worship of these celebrities. You can see the spirit of the korean popular culture entirely manifest itself here. There is a subtle form of programming going on at this event to engender certain cultural norms within the south korean society. Those normative behaviors which will typify the personality traits Satan wishes to establish in the collective consciousness and delegitimize all the others. It's much less subtle when you see it in another culture, though it is happening just as powerfully and blatantly in this society as well, if you have eyes to see.

"There are none so blind as those who cannot see."

If you want to know how religious ignorance works, at least on an overt level, watch how the emotions and excitement of the crowd is expertly cultivated and manipulated, and how the reactions are highlighted and emphasized. Notice how the music and light and atmosphere is used to elicit these reactions. You can see the spirit of religious popular culture entirely manifest itself. There is a subtle form of programming going on here to engender certain cultural norms in the society. Those normative behaviors which will typify the personality traits the establishment wishes to establish in the collective consciousness and delegitimize all the others. It's much less subtle when you see it in another culture, though it is happening just as powerfully and blatantly in this society as well, if you have eyes to see.

>> ^ToastyBuffoon:
I knew it! I knew most film and television producers were Satan! That explains why so much shit is green lighted.
>> ^shinyblurry:
If you want to know how Satan works, at least on an overt level, watch how the emotions and excitement of the crowd is expertly cultivated and manipulated, and how their reactions are highlighted and emphasized in the video. Notice how the music and light and atmosphere was used to elicit these reactions. You can see the spirit of the korean popular culture entirely manifest itself here. There is a subtle form of programming going on here to engender certain cultural norms in the korean society. Those normative behaviors which will typify the personality traits Satan wishes to establish in the collective consciousness and delegitimize all the others. It's much less subtle when you see it in another culture, though it is happening just as powerfully and blatantly in this society as well, if you have eyes to see.

I knew it! I knew most film and television producers were Satan! That explains why so much shit is green lighted.

>> ^shinyblurry:

If you want to know how Satan works, at least on an overt level, watch how the emotions and excitement of the crowd is expertly cultivated and manipulated, and how their reactions are highlighted and emphasized in the video. Notice how the music and light and atmosphere was used to elicit these reactions. You can see the spirit of the korean popular culture entirely manifest itself here. There is a subtle form of programming going on here to engender certain cultural norms in the korean society. Those normative behaviors which will typify the personality traits Satan wishes to establish in the collective consciousness and delegitimize all the others. It's much less subtle when you see it in another culture, though it is happening just as powerfully and blatantly in this society as well, if you have eyes to see.

If you want to know how Satan works, at least on an overt level, watch how the emotions and excitement of the crowd are expertly cultivated and manipulated, and how their reactions are highlighted and emphasized in the video. Notice how the music and light and atmosphere was used to elicit these reactions, and how all of this was a precursor to the idol worship of these celebrities. You can see the spirit of the korean popular culture entirely manifest itself here. There is a subtle form of programming going on at this event to engender certain cultural norms within the south korean society. Those normative behaviors which will typify the personality traits Satan wishes to establish in the collective consciousness and delegitimize all the others. It's much less subtle when you see it in another culture, though it is happening just as powerfully and blatantly in this society as well, if you have eyes to see.

In the great book about filmmaking, Breaking Through, Selling Out, Dropping Dead, author William Bayer writes about RUTHLESSNESS as being as critical a quality to be cultivated for success as a filmmaker as are the qualities of talent and vision...

>> ^Diogenes:

i'll start doing a comparison of the various handsets, and they'll just stare blankly... go silent for a minute or so, and then blurt out, 'but this is an iphone!' hahaha


I've seen this attitude too. I dislike Apple's closed way of doing things but I have to have a grudging respect for how they've cultivated this aura. Quite a few people seem to think that iPhones are filled with some sort of magic pixie dust.

When it was launched, it was well ahead of the game but not now. Windows Phone 7.5 is apparently very usable and I like Android - although as per my previous post, I'm under no illusions about Google being some morally superior, caring big friend.

>> ^Skeeve:

Agreed, for the most part.
He obviously has talent, but to be a great artist one tends to need life experience (often of a darker nature) and that is something he doesn't have.
It should come with time though.
As for why we haven't seen a Mozart, etc. in hundreds of years, maybe its because the great artists of our time aren't composing classical music (which tends to cultivate the misbelief that it is somehow superior). Now, I'm a fan of classical music, but listen to While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Gimme Shelter, or All Along the Watchtower and tell me you don't feel as moved as when listening to Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, or The Marriage of Figaro.
>> ^TheFreak:
Bullshit.
Try listening to Jay Greenbergs Symphony no 5. It's horrible.
It's an unorganized cacophany. One moment it sounds every bit like an action movie score then immediately it swings the other way and you'd think you were listening to the music from a 30's cartoon. There's no rhyme or reason behind any of the sounds you hear, no progression, no building of emotion, no story being told, no subtlety or purpose...just great big sloppy swipes of an oversized lyrical paintbrush.
That 60 Minutes segment describes Jay's early and enduring interest in writing music. I believe that's about the only element of the story that's not pure hyperbole. From listening to his music you can tell that he has obviously learned a great deal at a young age about arranging orchestral music. He has knowledge. What he lacks is everything else necessary to create great music.
Boys his age do one thing with great expertise and skill....masturbate. And that's what "Blue Bird" is doing with his music...masturbating all up in your ear holes.
Jay Greenergs interest and dedication to study clasical music composition, as well as the encouragement he's received, has brought him a long way. The real shame is the uncritical feedback he's getting from the people around him. Without anyone to tell him that his music is ham fisted and clumsy there's every likelyhood that his narcisistic self appraisal will lead him to nothing.
Jay Greenberg has demonstrated an impressive ability to learn how to compose in a classical style. It remains to be seen if he can turn that technical skill into artistic achievement.



Brilliantly said. If you really listen to some music of "recent" times, it can be amazing. Gimme Shelter is a perfect example. Listening for the voice cracks when the lyric is being yelled "rape! murder!".. I could reel off an entire bunch of pink floyd songs that i think are on par with classical music.

I think that the reason there were "more musical genius" around back then is for several reasons - what else was there for an intelligent and interested young person to do then? Let's face it, the most interesting thing around back then was a piano. We have more instruments now, the world is more connected, we can sample each other's music and combine it. There's too many reasons. And you died by the time you were 40, so when else were you gonna do your burst of creativity if not from a young age?

Agreed, for the most part.

He obviously has talent, but to be a great artist one tends to need life experience (often of a darker nature) and that is something he doesn't have.

It should come with time though.

As for why we haven't seen a Mozart, etc. in hundreds of years, maybe its because the great artists of our time aren't composing classical music (which tends to cultivate the misbelief that it is somehow superior). Now, I'm a fan of classical music, but listen to While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Gimme Shelter, or All Along the Watchtower and tell me you don't feel as moved as when listening to Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, or The Marriage of Figaro.
>> ^TheFreak:

Bullshit.
Try listening to Jay Greenbergs Symphony no 5. It's horrible.
It's an unorganized cacophany. One moment it sounds every bit like an action movie score then immediately it swings the other way and you'd think you were listening to the music from a 30's cartoon. There's no rhyme or reason behind any of the sounds you hear, no progression, no building of emotion, no story being told, no subtlety or purpose...just great big sloppy swipes of an oversized lyrical paintbrush.
That 60 Minutes segment describes Jay's early and enduring interest in writing music. I believe that's about the only element of the story that's not pure hyperbole. From listening to his music you can tell that he has obviously learned a great deal at a young age about arranging orchestral music. He has knowledge. What he lacks is everything else necessary to create great music.
Boys his age do one thing with great expertise and skill....masturbate. And that's what "Blue Bird" is doing with his music...masturbating all up in your ear holes.
Jay Greenergs interest and dedication to study clasical music composition, as well as the encouragement he's received, has brought him a long way. The real shame is the uncritical feedback he's getting from the people around him. Without anyone to tell him that his music is ham fisted and clumsy there's every likelyhood that his narcisistic self appraisal will lead him to nothing.
Jay Greenberg has demonstrated an impressive ability to learn how to compose in a classical style. It remains to be seen if he can turn that technical skill into artistic achievement.

I agree with or accept everything you say here except I'm not clear on your meaning re: socialism vs. fascism. I'm not sure where your reference to fascism comes from. Are you saying that the Western countries are fascist, or that Libya will become a fascist state now that Gaddafi's gone? Also, do you consider ruling as a dictator and militarily crushing dissent more like socialism or fascism? You can't have fascist democracy, so I'm not sure where you're going with this. And as I said before, the country is still oil-rich, and may choose to continue to distribute the wealth in the form of free health care and so on as before.

I have little respect for the UN myself, and don't support their intervention in this case, so no, I wouldn't be OK with getting the UN to militarily support reel groups in the US.>> ^marbles:
It's called imperialism. Wall Street-London oligarchs run the world. They use mafia tactics to take and do what they want. And if a country's leader doesn't fall in line, then they are taken out.
Is that what this is, self-determination of the Libyan people? No, it's the determination of NATO using violent ideological extremist groups cultivated over the last 30 years by US and British intelligence in the eastern cities of Darnah and Benghazi.
Nothing about this benefits "the West". It benefits big oil interests, defense contractors, and megabanks.
If you don't understand how socialism is better than fascism, then this is a wasted conversation.
I don't put a lot of stock in anything the UN does or says. Nor do I think it has the authority to decide what one country can do to another. But this is were NATO supposedly got their authority to terror bomb and back the rebels in their "civil war". (Even though it violates the UN charter) Basically picking and choosing what international laws to follow when it suites your agenda is what the UN is for.
Using the US and NATO's rationale, China or some other country has the authority to bomb the US governmnet and support dissenting groups here. Are you ok with that?

>> ^marbles:

>> ^messenger:
I'd buy that the US and friends decided to back the rebels in Libya because they saw more financial benefit from it than, per your example, in Uganda. That doesn't mean that the Libyan people would have preferred not to have self-determination. Whatever perks they had under Gaddafi, they had only because Gaddafi himself decided they would, not because the people decided they would. And there's no reason after Gaddafi's gone that they can't still have them. The oil's still there, and it will still flow. If you're upset that this benefits the West, then OK, be upset, but don't conflate Western cynical gain with the new freedom of the Libyan people.
You're going to have to sell me on how having a dictator is better than having even a pseudo-democracy like we have.
Getting a human rights award from the UNHRC is the most cynical award possible. The council is a majority-decision court whose majority is made up of the worst human rights violators on the planet. It is dominated by countries who routinely commit gross human rights abuses against their own people, and have an understanding amongst themselves not to vote against one another, and can all avoid being held accountable.
It's called imperialism. Wall Street-London oligarchs run the world. They use mafia tactics to take and do what they want. And if a country's leader doesn't fall in line, then they are taken out.
Is that what this is, self-determination of the Libyan people? No, it's the determination of NATO using violent ideological extremist groups cultivated over the last 30 years by US and British intelligence in the eastern cities of Darnah and Benghazi.
Nothing about this benefits "the West". It benefits big oil interests, defense contractors, and megabanks.
If you don't understand how socialism is better than fascism, then this is a wasted conversation.
I don't put a lot of stock in anything the UN does or says. Nor do I think it has the authority to decide what one country can do to another. But this is were NATO supposedly got their authority to terror bomb and back the rebels in their "civil war". (Even though it violates the UN charter) Basically picking and choosing what international laws to follow when it suites your agenda is what the UN is for.
Using the US and NATO's rationale, China or some other country has the authority to bomb the US governmnet and support dissenting groups here. Are you ok with that?


You use words you don't understand the meaning of. You argue extensively for the benefits of socialism. You point repeatedly to Libya as a great example of it. You close by arguing for this as acceptable because the alternative is western based fascism.

Mussolini described fascism as something that "should more properly be called corporatism, for it is the merger of state and corporate power". In the west, the struggle continues between the power of the state and the power of corporations. The fight as separate entities each trying to influence one another. In Libya this was done away with, and corporations powers were nationalized into part of the state's power. You call that socialism, but Mussolini literally wrote the book on fascism and called it that instead.

>> ^Fletch:

Never really been a fan of NDT. Those who say he is the next Sagan just piss me off. I find him preachy, overly dramatic, and somewhat of an attention whore. Just something about his delivery, I guess. I don't disagree with him, necessarily. I just don't care for him.
And his whole "don't say we can't afford it" spiel was comparing the current NASA budget to a dollar bill, not a future manned Mars mission. When you understand that, his rant falls flat. I understand the point he was trying to make, but his conclusion had nothing to do with it.


I think he could be the next closest-we've-got-to-Sagan but yeah he's a bit too enamoured with himself, or maybe a better way to put it is that his persona seems a bit overly cultivated to me... like he's an actor.