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Corals Climax despite doomsday messages reef is dead

newtboy says...

Groovy, but misleading.
Bleached corals aren't necessarily dead, but the algae they live on is. If the bleaching was recent, the corals themselves may be ok, and might even survive if the water cools enough to recolonize with algae.
Also...since when are the gravitational effects of the moon simply called love? Coral are like 50 cent, they're into having sex, they ain't into making love. Sorry to ruin her anthropomorphism.

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ChaosEngine says...

Screw the people, I'm more worried about the reef.

We have plenty of spare humans, but coral reefs take centuries to grow.

AeroMechanical said:

Yeah, I dunno. It looks to me like the danger to fun ratio is a bit too high to be worth it. I suppose you can always just let go, so at least it's not terminally dangerous, but being dragged through a coral reef by a speedboat probably hurts.

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AeroMechanical says...

Yeah, I dunno. It looks to me like the danger to fun ratio is a bit too high to be worth it. I suppose you can always just let go, so at least it's not terminally dangerous, but being dragged through a coral reef by a speedboat probably hurts.

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newtboy says...

You are once again mistaken....
Real verified stats are had to come by, but: "In the coral reef community there are many species of fish which fill this ecological role: roughly 25 percent of the fishes are herbivores or make plants a part of their diet/omnivores (Deloach, 1999)."
That's just fish, far more abundant than land animals by number or biomass, as a group are at least 75% carnivore (not omnivore).

"obligate carnivore" is not honest, scientific, or reasonable. That means 10% CAN'T eat plants, not that only 10% does. Most animals are neither pure vegetarian or carnivore. I know vegans have a history of ignoring omnivores as a category, because it erases their positions/arguments, but that doesn't mean it's not a major category, in fact it's THE major category.

Herbivores have digestive systems designed to break down cellulose. Humans have one stomach, not designed to break down cellulose, so if it's a choice between carnivore or herbivore, biologically we are carnivores, which makes removing the omnivore category just plain silly for vegans.

ahimsa said:

you are once again mistaken. only approximately 10% of non-human animals are obligate carnivores. common sense tells you that it cannot be a high number as it would not be sustainable otherwise.

factory farmed or not, other sentient beings suffer and die for no other reason than a momentary taste sensation. unlike the Masai (of whom i have never heard of but am taking your word) all you have to do to greatly lessen the harm you do to others is to buy different products in the grocery store.

speaking of science, here is what a very wise man had to say on this subject:

“It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind.”—Albert Einstein

“Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.”—Albert Einstein

“Vegetarian food leaves a deep impression on our nature. If the whole world adopts vegetarianism, it can change the destiny of mankind.”—Albert Einstein

“If a man aspires towards a righteous life, his first act of abstinence is from injury to animals.” -Albert Einstein

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poolcleaner says...

El Nino causes coral bleeching? That's when the symbiotic algae that gives the coral its color dies off. In the long run, those reefs bleeching out will die off and that will cause more long term problems in those oceans. Fuuucking BABY JESUS!

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artician says...

I think our fascination with Coral Reefs lies in the similarity to humans, in that it's just one giant colony of living beings that group together to form one large life-form. All they need is a central organism with a method of communicating to the whole, and they're essentially water-people.

Is Climate Change Just A Lot Of Hot Air?

bcglorf says...

@newtboy
Your mind is made up that there's no issue of ocean warming, rising, and/or acidification, so of course you will be taking advantage of those islanders that have been 'tricked' by the climate change frauds (oh, and also tricked by that water in their homes, the loss of snails, shellfish, fish, and the destruction of their reefs), and you'll be buying their properties at reduced rates, because the ocean rising is a fraud and you'll make a mint when everyone sees the 'truth' in 30 years...right?

Well, I have to say that you'd have me beat if I'd said any of that...
I've already stated the planet is warming.
I've already stated that CO2 is rising.
I've already stated we are responsible for the CO2 rise.
I've already stated that the CO2 rise has caused the TOA energy imbalance.
I've already stated that TOA energy imbalance is causing temp rise.
It seems redundant, but I'll spell it out more as it seems you don't understand me.
The Ocean's are warming, they are in fact absorbing alot more energy than the rest of the planet, as water does that alot more quickly than air.
The additional CO2 is acidifying the ocean's, that's once again HS chemistry.
Sea level is rising, and has been for the last century or more at a relatively consistent and steady rate, and no doubt again is because of the energy increase/warming.
Shell fish and coral reefs are dependent on acidity levels in the oceans and shifts absolutely will impact them.

Now, with that all on the table, where my opinion diverges from yours is when you state:
by 2050 is going to solve the issues, (issues that will be totally disastrous by then by most estimations, for tens of millions it already IS disastrous)

I've pointed out the severity, as assessed by an international body of relevant experts in the IPCC, disagrees starkly with your opinion. The scientific community simply does not assign disastrous results right now for tens of millions from climate change, I'm sorry but that is contrary to the science. The scientific community simply does not predict the severity of these consequences to be disastrous by 2100, let alone your claimed 2050.

You've linked to blogs and a news blurp, and I've responded with direct links to the IPCC affirming my position, and at least a dozen scientific journal articles corroborating their position. If you want to claim any actual scientific veracity to your position back it up or lay off mis quoting and misrepresenting what I've claimed to try and make cheap points burning a strawman.

going with the flow

ChaosEngine says...

Meh, dive sites should have at least one of the following (preferably more)
- sharks
- coral reefs and associated fishes
- wrecks
- mantas
- caves
- food (in a catch area... no stealing shit from marine reserves.... that's bad juju)



None of this takes away from my respect for this dude. That is one fit individual!

newtboy said:

Boring to watch...I bet it's exciting to 'fly' through though!
I would have been too scared of hitting bottom at speed to relax enough to hold my breath long. Dude's got some serious control!

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Stormsinger says...

Danny, I don't disagree with your conclusions, nor even most of your individual points. Except...(you knew this was coming, right?)..."something that has been of the earth for millions of years" is no way to pick your supplements. Anthrax, coral snake venom, and guinea worms are all completely natural too.

Not at all a big point, just a pet peeve of mine. "Naturally occurring" =/= "good for you". Just leave it at something like "millions of people from many generations have suffered little to no apparent harm".

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