I'm pretty sure it was Hillary who let a fox into my chicken coop a couple of years back too.

Please stop pretending the entire farming industry practices the worst possible practices. It's not true and you know it. Yes, those practices do happen, but there are alternatives where the animals enjoy better than natural lives under the care of their farmers. It's analogous to saying no one should have dogs because puppy mills are horrendous places that should be eradicated.
My eggs come from free range chickens with windows in their roomy coop, and they never get turned into meat when they stop laying, nor do male chicks get chipper shredded.
Egg laying hens and milk cows do not get turned into meat for human consumption.
Many dairy farms do not practice ANY of the methods you claim.

If you call all farmers murderers and torturers, and all their customers accomplices, you have called all non vegans murderers and torturers.

Go to the butcher.
Inuit eat meat because it's all they have. Same with many Maasi, who survive on milk and blood from their cattle with no other resource to exploit. Pretty damn good and logical reason IMO, not starving.
I'm waiting on that video.

Ahh yes, and it was usually followed by some random and unexplained death for no reason.

The fun we used to have trying to complete that awesome but buggy as hell game in coop mode.

@newtboy

Oh, absolutely, the video is poorly titled. I'll give you that.

But everything else you wrote is, for lack of a better term, uninformed.

Certainly commercial meat suppliers in first world countries like the U.S. have bowed to the "politically correct" demands of PETA to "humanely" kill animals. Poultry are knocked unconscious (with electric shocks) before having their throats slit while larger animals like cows are killed with a single shot to the head. Concern with how "humanely" the animals are killed is rather comical given the conditions under which most commercial animals are bred and raised, but that's an issue for another thread.

Now, if you think stuff like this video doesn't happen in places like the U.S. I'm gonna guess you don't realize what happens on typical farms where people raise livestock for their dinner table as opposed to commercial sale. People kill animals exactly in this and similar ways--slitting their throats, beheading them with axes, grabbing poultry by the head and breaking their necks, etc. Don't believe me? Check out this thread on how to kill a chicken. What happens in this video happens across first world countries, including the U.S., on a daily basis. Your shock comes from the fact that modern society has insulated you from the killing by hiding it from you.

Now, the people in this video are probably not living in a first world country, and we've already established that even if they were the animal would likely be butchered in a similar way if it is being prepared for personal use as opposed to commercial sale. They're most likely doing it the way it's been done there for hundreds if not thousands of years using the tools available to them to get the job done. Slashing the carotid artery is the fastest and most painless way (compared to other methods) to kill the camel. I can't think of a faster or more painless way other than shooting it in the head (which still risks ricochets and assumes personal gun ownership is legal in the country where this is happening).

Grocery shopping has become too complicated lately it seems to me. Used to be not all that long ago that you just got what looked good at the big chain grocery store and then made the odd trip to specialist shops for particular things on occasion. Whole Foods does have some good stuff, but it's way too expensive to just buy everything there. Trader Joe's has decent quality and prices but very limited selection. The local hippy organic grocery store/coop is in a similar situation to Whole Foods but with different stuff, and then there is the still the big chain grocery store with good prices on things that don't really vary much in quality. Oh, and of course there are still the delis and butcher shops and whatever else for the particular things they do well. Also, they went and knocked down the Pick 'n' Save that was three blocks away and are building a Metro Mart, which in my experience is exactly the same thing but with fancier decor and higher prices.

I have like five different grocery lists now. So, the end result is that I actually have access to much higher quality food at not unreasonable prices and yet somehow I'm ending up eating frozen pizza a lot more than I used to when it was Pick and Save or nothing.

You people miss the possibility that everything after Coop falling into Gargantua is a relativistic effect of being crushed to a dimensionless point. Wish fulfilment before dying over the course of a trillion years.

"They" got Plan B to a planet. Mission accomplished. They're probably shaking whatever passes as heads as to why he'd jump into a black hole...

When I got to work this morning at the Food Coop, the Wellness Manager wanted me to go into her office and watch a really cool video made in Germany.

It was with great pride I told her I had JUST WATCHED IT.

*dead it flew the coop and "does not exist"

Which flavor of Guyana Punch do you prefer? These politicians are pieces of shit and this ruse they perpetrate an actionable distraction from the crimes they willfully carry-out daily with approval from clueless boobs, some of whom may be your fellow drinking victims.

The government fed to the United States was taken by coop years ago and the culmination of the all they have accomplished is evidenced in your delusion and the coming shit-storm of jackboots enforcing the will of the criminal elite, and folks like you will line-up for more as long as you allow them to continue to suck air.

Wow. So.....maybe I should stop being such an asshole, huh?...If I like, want folks to like, LIKE me?? Fuck THAT shit.

Who's Nickleback?? ...kinna missed the poppy-90s and then the government coop with 9-11 and all, bit fuzzy in the grey areas... GoddAMN!!-Typed this while listening and got a me a dweeb-speaking, 'Phil Fish' headache now

Excellent offering mechadeath, cheers. with some great scotch!

...War on Invisible Foes
Disinformation Coop
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Yeah, it's weird. I had cats that would regularly kill wild birds, yet never touch my domesticated birdies. I think, and I could be wrong, they don't kill it because they sense it's claimed by the owner. Like it's "master's kill, not mine."

That's just something I've mused over, not truth. Like, I love eggs, but having been around farms, I wouldn't simply eat all the eggs out of the coop. That's breaking the chain of command.

I think most cats are just disrespectful to their owners, but any decent cat owner earns the respect of their feline friends. (If you rescue an older cat, there's no guarantee on ever reaching this level of understanding and respect.)

Or, perhaps it's a coop attempt by the U.S. of A. corporation to drive the Ukraine into the EU? The Putin pissing-contest game...Since nobody here cares a fiddler's fuck about world-game issues, it'll slip into recent history like a flea fart, and all the real trolls can go back to discussing roundtable politics as usual, and remain in their media-induced dullard's snooze....Oh and Ladies and gentlemen, ➷➷➷meet an AUTHENTIC troll.➷➷➷

Avatar: Hind-brained dogs standing against one another-Using his quality spare-time to shit and piss all over anything (in true hater form) I choose to discuss or comment about.

Ignore, my ass....

I have come to the same conclusion about longer terms and term limits, however I came to a more radical conclusion -- one term limit.

Double everything in the Constitution -- 2 becomes 4, 4 becomes 8 -- and one term only. (There is always recall if they are egregiously awful)

That means -- zero attention to fund raising. Zero attention to popularity polls. You can vote your conscience instead of party lines, when you have more information than the short attention span public.

One thing will happen, I predict.... the general public will be all -- being in power corrupted them. I hear it now in our small town, when someone gets elected to the Food Coop Board of Directors. They are all radical until they are elected, learn their responsibilities to ALL members, and tone down the rhetoric. And are then called corrupted by power.

Better that than REALLY corrupted by forces having nothing to do with doing a good job -- like public polls and getting re-elected.

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