I hate the weapons they carry, but I love what those machines (and pilots!) can do.





btw... color blindness sucks.

Yes, and what a wonderful world you liberals have created!

>> ^Ryjkyj:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Even a brilliant finook deciding what's unnatural is like having the color-blind naming colors.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but promiscuity has been the norm for gay males and it's hell on them physically, mentally and emotionally.

Congrats Q, you're only thirty years behind the times and catching up fast!

How about Color Blind Smurf?
Or maybe Hemophiliac Smurf?
Differently Abled Smurf?

I think people who work with colour regularly, such as graphic designers, would rapidly distinguish the odd colour out in the test, as it seems to be a question of value and intensity. My guess is that the Himba culture's colour vocabulary is based on one (or both) of these aspects instead of the more habitual approach based on hue.

I wonder how they would see @Zifnab's profile picture...



>> ^Boise_Lib:

Fascinating.
When they show the green color circle fullscreen I couldn't see a difference--but when they showed a picture of the color circle on the monitor--I could see it right away.
Also, I wonder if the Himba have a form of hereditary blue/green color blindness.

Fascinating.

When they show the green color circle fullscreen I couldn't see a difference--but when they showed a picture of the color circle on the monitor--I could see it right away.

Also, I wonder if the Himba have a form of hereditary blue/green color blindness.

I can't even prove that the color blue I am seeing is the same for you as it is me, proof is hard


It's very possible it isn't the same for me, at least at some level. There's quite a range in terms of color perception (with outliers like color blind people or those who experience synaesthesia) and it's clear that to a certain extent color discrimination varies between cultures and sexes.

Disregarding those differences, it's likely there is at least some commonality between our perceptions. Assuming you believe our experiences are rooted in our brains, it seems likely that the structures for perceiving color would be generally similar. As our understanding of the brain grows, we'll be able to nail this question down much better.

In any case, though, just because one thing (which may not even be a true thing) that sounds simple (our experience of seeing color) is hard to prove a point about, that doesn't mean that in general proof is hard. We evaluate evidence a million times a day in order to guide decisions and actions, and over time science has come up with a tremendous amount of evidence for very complicated and sometimes unintuitive propositions. Now clearly "absolute proof" is usually hard, and probably impossible for most useful subjects - but proof (in the looser sense of sufficient evidence to believe) is all around us, and the basis for almost everything we do.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

However, any place I've ever seen that implements AA does so via quotas. Quotas should be illegal under the aforementioned EO laws. If I'm the most qualified person, I should get the job. If I'm denied the job because I'm a white male and the company has a quota to meet, then that was not an equal opportunity, it was discrimination.


I think this is a boogieman. White people use "quotas" to explain to other white people why they can't just give them a job for being white. I would be interested in some actual evidence that quotas have been used to refuse to hire a clearly more competent candidate more often then racism does so.

If your organization of more than a few dozen people does not look demographically a while lot like your local general population, then your hiring practices are almost certainly racist, even if nobody is making them that way intentionally. Quotas only factor into hiring when your hiring process has already failed to be color-blind, If your organization has been racist, and now they have to play catch up by reversing the bias, that seems fair enough to me.

I'm not a proponent of quotas, but my issue with quotas is that they don't generally address issues of class, having all the black folks moving boxes, and all the white folks sitting in cubicles, does very little to address the disproportionate race/class correlation.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Even a brilliant finook deciding what's unnatural is like having the color-blind naming colors.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but promiscuity has been the norm for gay males and it's hell on them physically, mentally and emotionally.


Congrats Q, you're only thirty years behind the times and catching up fast!

>> ^quantumushroom:

Even a brilliant finook deciding what's unnatural is like having the color-blind naming colors.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but promiscuity has been the norm for gay males and it's hell on them physically, mentally and emotionally.


You might want to ease off the slurs lest you find yourself banned. If I'm not mistaken, you've been nailed for blurting them out on a few occasions so I suspect you'd be gone for good this time.

Even a brilliant finook deciding what's unnatural is like having the color-blind naming colors.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but promiscuity has been the norm for gay males and it's hell on them physically, mentally and emotionally.

My dog is content enough to watch all the great cgi/animation that rapidly change colors. Must be a hell of a lot better when you're color blind. His head just goes right then left then right then......then when Steven talks he becomes extremely attentive.

I hear Steven is color blind as well...

Yes, you are naive.

Go and read the full MLK library and you will see that he never subscribed to this oversimplified concept of 'color blindness'. He endorsed affirmative action-like solutions, for example.

People who say they are color blind are extremely suspect to me.

"Racism as a lifestyle": a mythological creature akin to the spaghetti monster. I know of noone who makes a living off being a racial victim. It's a triumph of white doublespeak when you take an effect that strips people of wealth and freedom, and turn it into something that is seemingly a profit-making venture. Al Sharpton and Rush Limbaugh are entertainers; give some real examples of this insulting concept.

I was introduced to racism by,ironically, minorities. For about a month or two I didn't understand that the term "white boy" was an insult to my creed. At first, I thought I was just abnormally white, in actuality though I am pretty dark as far as white people go (or was before I discovered computers). Over time I finally figured out that it wasn't my color that they were making fun of, but my ethnicity, which up until that point in my life I had never contemplated before. I had never identified myself as a white person. My only understanding of color was that some people were more tan than others.

In all these race arguments I feel like I am at a loss. It would seem that for most my formative years I lived the MLK dream of being color blind. This makes it really hard for me to understand racism; both at the source and at the recite. As such, I have a deep guttural reaction to both racism of hate and racism of reciprocity (affirmative action). For me, the goal is to be color blind, not color sensitive. As such, anything that makes more than a superficial distinction on color...no matter how noble in appearance it only works against that goal. Perhaps I am naive, but the trollish observations of "race-baiting and victimology" do have some significance. Racism still happens, and when it does it needs to be righted, but this constant heehawing about supposed acts of racism seems to just prolong the healing. Like that line in fight club, "it is like that sore on the top of your mouth that would heal if only you would stop tonguing it." Not to say that we should turn a blind eye to racism when it rears its ugly head, but for some, racism is a means to a life style. People like Al Sharpton contrasted against MLK highlight this difference in mind set. MLK was victim to all the out right ugliness of racism. But what you hear from him is nothing but the utmost strength and self determination. He was never a victim, he was always the triumphant gladiator ready to take on the next hurdle and take all the dignity owed him. He was a brave, courteous hero whom is worthy of emulation by our current generation.

Honestly, it is just a name. There is no REAL thing called a planet, just arguing about lines in the sand. It is like arguing if something is warm, lukewarm, or room temperature; a realm for analytic philosophers, not scientists.

I think his views on his "role" as a black man is one of the first real steps you get towards the ideal of color blindness as apposed to color sensitivity; the ideal that MLK would see as the better of the 2.

>> ^Enzoblue:
WTF are they color blind though?


I believe they are doing one of Warhol's Marilyn's.