>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypecker:
I fail......


Indeed you do.

If you'd like to tell me what powerful financial interests funded Code Pink or ANSWER, feel free. Otherwise you are full of shit.

I fail to see how the wealth & background of the guy is an issue. This is a cause he believes in. Small government. Low taxes. Individual freedom. A society that doesn't stifle entreprenuers. When you beleive in a cause, you put up your money & time to fight for it. And - ideally - your cause is one that millions of Americans agree with and so you use your time & money to organize them into a powerful political force that can't be ignored.

This is no different than the Astroturf that organized & sponsored the Iraq War protests. No one seemed to care that the anti-war protests were bought & paid for, organized, and planned by ANSWER, Code Pink, and other big political donors. That's just how things work. I didn't whine about that when the Iraq protests were being ginned up by neolib groups, and I don't see why it is an issue with the teabaggers that Dick Armey is throwing his weight behind it. It's a cause he agrees with. Big deal.

Agreed, although we'd probably disagree on exactly how to reduce the size of government.

Probably. After all, I'm a pro-military neocon, eh?

Disagree. They are definitely inflammatory but from what I've seen on the sift, they tend to focus on the nut-jobs and on how they are protesting. It's better for ratings.

I agree with you that they focus on the nutjobs - but I disagree with you about how they serve that up. People like MadCow and Olberman do NOT at any point go out of their way to say they are focusing only on the goofiest, most extremist fringe element. Quite the opposite. They do their damndest to make it look like the group is nothing BUT extremists. Same with Pelosi, Ried, and a lot of other Democrats who (frighteningly) are elected officials slandering the people.

It isn't hard when there is a large protest to go out and find the kook fringe. It existed in the Iraq war protests, and Republicans tried to portray it as normal. Now the neolibs are faced with large scale protests to their policies, and they are doing the same thing. Sadly, there are FAR too many people who are easily deceived by such unscruplulous methods. Here is a great example - a quote from dystopian...

but to be clear, Dick Armey's Neo-Con astroturf outfit FreedomWorks© is leading the charge against health care

Now - whether he meant it or not this is a backhanded attempt to make it sound like the protests are just right-wing nutjobs. Bull. The Iraq war protests were ginned up and sponsored by left-wing neolib nutjob extremists like Code Pink and such - but that does NOT mean that the people who attended them weren't legitimately concerned citizens who passionately believed in an issue. Groups could get tens of thousands to show up and protest because it was a REAL movement which reflected national sentiment. The fringe was there poking and prodding it along - but the essential core of the protest was legitimate.

EXACT same thing today. Some right wing groups may be doing some organizing, but the vast bulk of people who show up are NOT right wing kooks. They are people who are concerned about massive spending, big government intrusion into markets, inflation, debt, and general desire for a conservative fiscal approach. They are worried that Obama is doing way too much and has way too little to do it with, and they are there to shout "Stop!" For Pelosi, Reid, MadCow, Olberman, & the sifters to attempt to justify ignoring them just because a 'neocon' fringe element is along for the ride is insipid.

As long as you aren't calling for banning or silencing the other (admittedly there is some of that, which I don't agree with either), I see it as merely the right to show your disagreement.

On this I agree. I didn't like it when Republicans wanted to stifle Iraq war protests either, and I don't like it when Pelosi, Obama, Ried, MadCow & the rest want to silence the other side to grease the skids of thier agenda. And they DO want to silence the 'teabaggers', make no mistake.

(Although I still don't think it has the intended effect of countering the use of neocon.)

I don't see it so much as a 'counter' as it is a 'OK - right back at you'. If at some time the neolibs change and stop falsely labeling conservative thought then I'll adjust my method accordingly.

Allow me to refresh your selective memories.

Media Barely Noticed Legal Gun-brandishing By Leftist Black Panthers in 2000 Protest


CODE PINK (communists) removed from Petraeus hearing


And let's not forget this!

^ Most of the people I know didn't particularly care for Code Pink. Their behavior often seemed to sap credibility from what the rest of us were saying.

That said, Code Pink was not encouraged by the larger progressive movement. In fact, most of the liberal blogs went out of their way to chastise them, not that they listened.

Right now we're seeing the opposite from the right. These people are being encouraged by the whole conservative movement, root to branch, libertarian to neocon.

>> ^Lolthien:
BTW Shiner, post video of liberals doing this, and I'll address it, otherwise it's friggin hearsay, which seems to be all it takes to get the conservatives up in arms now. Next thing you know these people will be pissed cause we faked the damn moon landings.


What's the point? Videosift ignored those videos then and they will ignore them now.

Nobody here was up in arms when code pink was storming Condoleeza Rice with fake blood on their hands disrupting hearings. That type of disturbance doesn't bother people because it's in line with their agenda. But when people protest something they agree with, well now it's time to start bashing them and claiming they aren't playing fair.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

When it's for causes they support, don't liberals endorse 'hooliganism disrupting meetings?' To avoid intellectual sloppiness, Maddow needs to make clear upfront she doesn't object to disrupting meetings in principle; her exclusive objection here is to lobbyists' involvement.

The alternative would be to discourage hooliganism in principle, including for example Code Pink, but that's not Maddow's position.

Someone should make a "documentary" about all the radical libs, commies, anarchists, race hustlers, welfare cheats, tax cheats (phone the White House) defenders of Castro, Chavez, Saddam, Cuba, Soviet Russia, etc. Take the camera to Chicago, Watts, LA, Frisco, NYC, get Code Pink and the cholos and "La Raza" Aztlan radicals recorded. Film the gunfire on the Southern borders, coming from Mexico. Let the cameras roll non-stop on kollij kampii, show the lib professors and let them speak freely, fill terabytes with interviews of kollij students. Ask them how the economy works, who pays the most taxes, the effects of government on business and law. Interview Democrats in their Congressional offices. And for once film the tired bureaucrats that really run DC. Show those exciting faces in charge of regulating your health and wealth.


Here we are, months into the Obama Recession and matters are much worse. Here's hoping you have any change left in your wallets.

You've got to understand that there are some very serious situations that can arise in maternity wings of hospitals. I remember when I had my kids they had a special "code pink" for a kidnapping/custody situation.

Of course, not because of me!

I don't think you'd feel comfortable having a baby in a hospital that required retinal scans just to enter your baby mamma's or wife's room. This was probably a custody issue where the dude was warned well in advance not to try to snatch baby. A taser is a safe relative to trying to tackle that guy. I can't find reason to criticize here. Just because you transfer voltage to a guy doesn't mean the baby will be shocked and it really is likely safer than a tackle or baton situation.

comedy

http://www.videosift.com/video/Daily-Show-Colbert-Writers-Stage-Code-Pink-Disruption

Different from this only in that it gives you an unbroken feed of what was aired.

I've not seen a clip yet of the code pink lady who then started yelling a few minutes later.

*news

^Nah, I think the Green really helps to bring out his evil.

And, yes, Code Pink also interrupted McCain's speech.. Twice. And also interrupted Palin's speech.

And with all these sarcastic, jibing on both McCain's and Palin's part, I'm amazed at how HATEFUL these Republicans (delegates and audience members included) are willing to appear!

Do they realize if they did nothing the media would never broadcast it, but chanting USA like mindless zombies, they interrupt the speaker and hilariously tip everyone at home off.

Didn't code Pink also interrupt it?

>> ^SDGundamX:
And what happened before has EVERYTHING to do with excessive force. There are no rules out there that say "this is excessive, this isn't excessive." It's all relative to the situation.


Dude, you are quite wrong.

Words do not beget excessive force, no matter what state's police policy you look at.

Excessive force is not relative to anything other than police departments guidelines on excessive force, and no state's PD says it's OK to use this kind of force because someone said something you don't like.

Sheesh!

Yes, you are a fucking idiot.

In reply to this comment by anyprophet:
These types of videos always bring out the crazies who think we live in some kind of police state.