Wow... So many great points here.
And lots missed by others.

@ChaosEngine I like you too. But the next posts after yours explains my point better. @Eukelek got the point correctly.
(The fact you don't eat it, or your local farm doesn't grow GM is telling and hypocritical)

There is a massive difference between selection using natural processes and GENETIC ENGINEERING.
One will only produce offspring that are genetically compatible.
The other is a crap shoot producing mixes of different taxonomy.
For fucks sake when could A FARMER BREED A MOUSE WITH A JELLYFISH, or mix SPIDER GENES WITH GOATS.
That shit is fucked up and only the tip of the iceberg.

You really want MONSANTO creating NEW SPECIES OF PLANT THAT ARE STRONGER THAN THEIR NATURAL COUNTERPARTS AND LACED WITH TOXINS AND PESTICIDES ????
It was Monsanto that developed AGENT ORANGE, and PCB's which THEY ALSO DENIED WAS HARMFUL EVEN THOUGH IT IS MASSIVELY CANCER CAUSING. They buried every study showing it was carcinogenic.


@nock . Yes I'm sure the medical profession has even crazier biology going on. But I would only use that shit IF I WAS GOING TO DIE.
NOBODY NEEDS GMO.
Now the medi-corps are using super viruses as vectors for 'custom' dna treatments.
Considering that the U.S. CDC was just admonished for improper practices contains viruses. How long before there is an incident that is completely synthetic (man-made) and completely irreversible.

@RedSky Sure Africa should grow whatever it needs to survive. But don't expect an export market for gmo.

>> ^spawnflagger:

I like the idea, but didn't he do a simple product search ?
or hell, even the domain itself - http://www.gojo.com/ . It's a brand of hand cleaner (good stuff too) that's been around for years.
I don't see how he isn't infringing on the brand/trademark "gojo", so a lot of legal battles ahead...
Oh, and lastly - cancer. Do you want a high-powered cell phone transmitter next to your brain, or a low powered bluetooth headset?


Trademarks are only supposed to protect against similar products. It would be trademark infringement to make another soap or cleanser and call it Gojo. A shampoo would probably be considered too similar; maybe something cleaning-related like a sponge or scrubbing brush, too. A headband with a suction cup is not in the same market so it shouldn't be in violation.

The microwaves that are emitted by a cell phone are non-ionizing and thus, not linked to cancer. They're in the same carcinogen group (2B) as coffee and pickles.

>> ^ghark:

The thing I hated the most in the lab was having to constantly deal with formaldehyde - a pretty potent carcinogen.



Yeah... still dealing with this myself in lab. Its so commonly used that people just messily use it like its sucrose or something.

National Toxicology Program 'Report On Carcinogens, Twelfth Edition (2011)'
pg.195
"Formaldehyde is known to be a human carcinogen based on sufficient
evidence of carcinogenicity from studies in humans and supporting
data on mechanisms of carcinogenesis. Formaldehyde was first listed
in the Second Annual Report on Carcinogens in 1981 as reasonably
anticipated to be a human carcinogen based on sufficient evidence
from studies in experimental animals. Since that time, additional
cancer studies in humans have been published, and the listing status
was changed to known to be a human carcinogen in the Twelfth Report on Carcinogens (2011)."

The thing I hated the most in the lab was having to constantly deal with formaldehyde - a pretty potent carcinogen. It's used in tissue preservation, so anytime you want to extract some DNA/RNA from formalin fixed paraffin embedded (FFPE) tissue you end up getting a dose of it.

The strangest thing is how in our chemistry labs all the waste chemicals from all our experiments had to be put into one big jar, so there would be this viscous, almost gooey mass of this silvery-orange-black'ish sort of toxic waste which was a combination of all the 30-40 different (already toxic) chemicals put together. That would then need to sit in the lab for a month until waste collection day arrived.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^marbles:
Ok pal. Gardasil contains aluminum, polysorbate 80 and sodium borate. [...] According to VAERS – the following reports have been listed for HPV, HPV2 & HPV 4 and "mental disorders." [...] But hey, the government and big business says it's perfectly safe, so all those victims are probably just full of shit.
Aluminum: Exceptionally low toxicity. The LD50 for aluminum is 6.207 g/kg. That comes out to over a pound for a 175lb person.
Polysorbate 80: Not found to be a carcinogen according to this study and this study. Here (PDF) is yet another study that finds no evidence of carcinogenicity. Also noteworthy is that the Gardasil vaccine contains 0.00005g of Polysorbate 80. The average daily intake from food is 2000x that.
Sodium Borate ("Borax"): The LD50 of Borax is 2.66 g/kg. That comes out to .46lbs to kill a 175lb person. This is probably the most "dangerous" chemical of the three but, again, we're talking about 0.000035g. Borax is used as an insecticide specifically because it's virtually harmless to humans. It kills insects via severe dehydration.
Now then... The problem with your VAERS statistics is that they're unverified, self-reported, and potentially self-diagnosed. Even if all the diagnosis were correct, they are correlation only with no research into causation. They are useless as evidence on their own.


I how the evil government is trying to poison us with vaccines! How do I know this? I looked it up on a government website! While entirely failing to understand how methodological research works! Yay!

Look there are plenty of legitimate problems with the pharmaceutical industry that don't rely on ridiculous notions. Read up on patent ever greening for a start. It's the same with that 9/11 bullshit. When you focus on the ridiculous, you make it harder for people with legitimate grievances to be taken seriously.

>> ^marbles:

Ok pal. Gardasil contains aluminum, polysorbate 80 and sodium borate. [...] According to VAERS – the following reports have been listed for HPV, HPV2 & HPV 4 and "mental disorders." [...] But hey, the government and big business says it's perfectly safe, so all those victims are probably just full of shit.

Aluminum: Exceptionally low toxicity. The LD50 for aluminum is 6.207 g/kg. That comes out to over a pound for a 175lb person.

Polysorbate 80: Not found to be a carcinogen according to this study and this study. Here (PDF) is yet another study that finds no evidence of carcinogenicity. Also noteworthy is that the Gardasil vaccine contains 0.00005g of Polysorbate 80. The average daily intake from food is 2000x that.

Sodium Borate ("Borax"): The LD50 of Borax is 2.66 g/kg. That comes out to .46lbs to kill a 175lb person. This is probably the most "dangerous" chemical of the three but, again, we're talking about 0.000035g. Borax is used as an insecticide specifically because it's virtually harmless to humans. It kills insects via severe dehydration.

Now then... The problem with your VAERS statistics is that they're unverified, self-reported, and potentially self-diagnosed. Even if all the diagnosis were correct, they are correlation only with no research into causation. They are useless as evidence on their own.

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marbles:
>> ^spoco2:
Ha! She really got him with that last comment...
Where's marbles to arc up about vaccines then?

When you've got liberals quoting Rush Limbaugh as the authority, then you know something is seriously fucked up.

OR, if everyone INCLUDING Limbaugh admits that there is ZERO evidence for the claims then you know the claims are utter bullshit.


Ok pal. Gardasil contains aluminum, polysorbate 80 and sodium borate.

aluminum: Toxic. Linked to Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. Can cause memory loss and speech problems. Linked to a wide variety of other health problems. Side effects and severe allergic reactions include rash, hives, itching, difficulty breathing, tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue, loss of appetite, muscle weakness, nausea, slow reflexes, and vomiting.

polysorbate 80: Carcinogenic as well as mutagenic. When injected into prepubescent rats, it caused abnormal growth of reproductive organs and made the rats sterile. When used intravenously with vitamins it has been known to cause anaphylactic shock.

sodium borate: Roach pesticide, i.e. poison. Listed side effects include: vomiting, collapse, coma, convulsions, low blood pressure and twitching of facial muscles, arms, hands, legs, and feet.


According to VAERS – the following reports have been listed for HPV, HPV2 & HPV 4 and "mental disorders." This is an estimated 1 to 10% of the vaccine-injured population reporting:

VAERS Analysis / HPV, HPV2, HPV4 – U.S. & Foreign / HPV4 U.S. Only


1. Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis (ADEM) / 21 / 7
   
2. Encephalitis / 53 / 27
   
3. Demyelination / 60 / 28
   
4. Psychotic Disorder / 14 / 5
   
5. Abnormal Behaviour / 49 / 41
   
6. Cognitive Disorder / 22 / 19
   
7. Mental Status Changes / 41 / 38
   
8. Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging Brain Abnormal / 132 / 95
   
9. Speech Disorder / 90 / 67
   
10. Myelitis Transverse / 30 / 21
    
11. Facial Palsy / 138 / 105

@blastido_factor:

There's an old Jewish proverb that runs something like this:

"A fool can throw a stone into the water that ten wise men cannot recover."

Your stones, fortunately, aren't irrecoverable. I'll offer some counterpoints to a few of your claims, and I'll leave it up to you to fish for the truth about the others.


- The alleged masterminds of 9/11 have never been produced and never put to trial, despite having supposedly been captured in 2001/02

I don't know what you mean by "produced," but here's something I do know: I started a case in small claims court earlier this year (in New York City, nonetheless), and I was told I'd have to wait at least four months to appear before an arbitrator. (It's likely that I'll have to wait longer, if, for example, I opt to appear before a judge.) Simply put, trials take time. Given the complexities of a trial involving the masterminds and perpetrators of 9/11, ten years is hardly cause for conspiracy.


- Total failure of the air defense system. The Pentagon was struck One hour and Twenty minutes after the attacks began, yet there was no response from Andrews Air Force base, which is just 10 MILES away and supposed to be in charge of defending the capitol."

The North Tower was struck at 8:46 AM, the South Tower at 9:03 AM, and the Pentagon at 9:37 AM. By my math, the Pentagon was hit fifty-one minutes after the first plane hit the WTC and thirty-four minutes after the second plane hit. The 9/11 Commission estimated that the hijacking of Flight 11, the first plane to hit the WTC, began at 8:14 AM. It's misleading, in this context, to consider the hijacking of Flight 11 as the beginning of the attack (I assume this is what you meant); it wasn't until the second plane hit the WTC that the nature and the scale of the attacks became evident. Could the communication between the FAA and NORAD have been more prompt, and, thus, more effective? Yes. (Rightly so, this is one of the major criticisms lobbied against the agencies responsible for responding to the attacks.) Is the delay of thirty-four minutes cause for conspiracy, given the lack of precedence in handling such a coordinated attack and the confusion surrounding the events of the attack? No.


- The remains of the twin towers were quickly carried off and buried before any forensic investigations could be done.

Your use of the word forensic is categorically flawed. (The first and third definitions of forensic, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, are as follows: (1) "belonging to, used in, or suitable to courts of judicature or to public discussion and debate, and (3) "relating to or dealing with the application of scientific knowledge to legal problems.") NIST's reports are chock-full of forensic analyses; have a look for yourself: http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/index.cfm. Forensic investigations also led to the identification of a significant number of victims. According to Wikipedia: "Within a year, medical examiners had identified the remains of 33 victims who had been on board Flight 11. They identified two other Flight 11 victims, including the lead flight attendant Karen Martin, after body fragments were discovered near Ground Zero in 2006. In April 2007, examiners using newer DNA technology identified another Flight 11 victim. The remains of two hijackers, potentially from Flight 11, were also identified and removed from Memorial Park in Manhattan." The methods used to identify these victims (DNA testing, in many cases) were nothing if not forensic.

You're also neglecting the simple fact that the removal of debris was necessary from a health standpoint. Again, according to Wikipedia: "The thousands of tons of toxic debris resulting from the collapse of the Twin Towers contained more than 2,500 contaminants, including known carcinogens. Subsequent debilitating illnesses among rescue and recovery workers are said to be linked to exposure to these carcinogens."


- Of all the cameras around the pentagon, including the security tapes taken from local gas stations, only one blurry clip was released.

Three videos, not one, were released. According to Wikipedia: "A nearby Citgo service station also had security cameras installed, but a video released on September 15, 2006, did not show the crash because the camera was pointed away from the crash site. The Doubletree Hotel, located nearby in Crystal City, Virginia, also had a security camera video, and on December 4, 2006, the FBI released the video in response to a freedom of information lawsuit filed by Scott Bingham. The footage is 'grainy and the focus is soft, but a rapidly growing tower of smoke is visible in the distance on the upper edge of the frame as the plane crashes into the building.'"


I don't fault you, or others like you, for wanting to "think twice" about the explanations given for certain of the events surrounding 9/11. I do fault you, though, for spending so little time on your second round of thinking, and for so carelessly tossing conspiracy theories to the wind.

If you tried watching the video again you might notice that she doesn't make an assertion that Chlorpropham causes cancer. She says that there have been studies that have shown animals to grow tumors after prolonged exposure to the chemical.

What I quoted was only a portion of the website about chlorpropham (Bud Nip) toxicity. If you were not too lazy to click on the link I provided in my comment above you would have found "Carcinogenic Effects: Long-term exposure to chlorpropham may cause tumors (2). In one experiment chlorpropham initiated skin cancer in mice" (/PMEP) in the same report. The Pesticide Management Education Program website does suggest that more studies should be done to link chlorpropham exposure to cancer, but they are pretty clear that it has toxic effects on laboratory animals. It is an easy inference to make that it probably isn't good for other mammals either.

What the girl says after is: "With all of the chemicals it's no wonder so many people age getting diagnosed with cancer." Her assertion is that too many chemical additives in general in our food supply may have a factor in increased cancer diagnosis in general.



Besides, her experiment isn't about cancer. It is about the results of her attempt to grow sprouts from root vegetables. The information she provides about toxicity of chlorpropham is simply the result of using a google search to find out what else Bud Nip does besides inhibiting plant growth.

>> ^DrewNumberTwo:

(This is about the adults guiding her, not the girl...)Even if what she said is true, it has nothing to do with what she was testing so it's bad science. If she doesn't cite her source, then she's not properly reporting what she found. What you quoted above still doesn't support her assertion that the additive can cause cancer in animals, and that an unnamed number of chemicals, presumably added to food, cause cancer in humans.

> and a good powerdrill...

yeah!! pshhhaaa how TOXIC could thallium be... come on.

Wikipedia says:

"Because of its use for murder, thallium has gained the nicknames "The Poisoner's Poison" and "Inheritance Powder" (alongside arsenic).[3]"

"Thallium and its compounds are extremely toxic, and should be handled with great care. There are numerous recorded cases of fatal thallium poisoning.[44] Contact with skin is dangerous, and adequate ventilation should be provided when melting this metal. Thallium(I) compounds have a high aqueous solubility and are readily absorbed through the skin. Exposure to them should not exceed 0.1 mg per m2 of skin in an 8-hour time-weighted average (40-hour work week). Thallium is a suspected human carcinogen.[45] For a long time thallium compounds were easily available as rat poison. This fact and that it is water soluble and nearly tasteless led to frequent intoxications caused by accident or criminal intent.[18]"

"Among the distinctive effects of thallium poisoning are loss of hair (which led to its initial use as a depilatory before its toxicity was properly appreciated) and damage to peripheral nerves (victims may experience a sensation of walking on hot coals). Thallium was once an effective murder weapon before its effects became understood, and an antidote (Prussian blue) discovered.[3]"


No more than 100 micrograms per square meter of skin per 8 hour work day !!!!

All you do not want to know about White craft glue.

http://www.gamblincolors.com/msds/pva.html

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET

Manufacturer's Name:
GAMBLIN ARTISTS COLORS CO.
PO Box 15009
Portland, OR 97293

Product: Poly Vinyl Acetate (PVA) Glue

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SECTION 1—PRODUCT IDENTITY
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Date prepared: 7/09/97 Emergency telephone no. 503/235-1945

Preparer's Name: R. Gamblin

Chemical name: Ethlyene/Vinyl Acetate Coplolymer

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SECTION II—HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS
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Chemical names CAS# Wt% OSHA PEL ACGIH TLV
This product contains no hazardous
materials under the current OSHA standard.

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SECTION III—PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS
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Boiling range: 212 F Specific gravity: 1 - 1.4
Vapor pressure: 17 % volatile (volume): 45%(water)
Vapor density: 0.62 Evaporation rate (BuOAc = 1): 1

Solubility (specify solvents): Soluble in water. Insoluble in solvents.
Appearance and odor: white liquid; slight odor.
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SECTION IV—FIRE & EXPLOSION DATA----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Flash point: >220 degree F
Extinguishing media: CO2 , dry chemical, water fog
Special firefighting procedures: water or foam may cause frothing if directed into
container of burning material. Use water to cool containers exposed to heat.

Unusual fire & explosion hazards: Immerse in water after use.
Reactivity: product is stable
Hazardous polymerization: will not occur
Conditions to avoid: avoid extreme heat

Hazardous decomposition products: Stable under normal pressure.

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SECTION V—HEALTH HAZARD DATA
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Route(s) of entry: Eye contact, ingestion of paint
Acute health effects: Eye contact may cause redness or irritation
Poly Vinyl Acetate (PVA) Glue MSDS Page 2

Inhalation: N/A
Ingestion: No known adverse health effects.
Skin contact: No know adverse health effects.

EMERGENCY FIRST AID PROCEDURES:
Eye contact: Wash with clean water for at least fifteen minutes. If irritation persists,get medical attention.
Inhalation: If swallowed, induce vomiting.
Skin contact: Flush with water; use soap if available.

CHRONIC HEALTH EFFECTS:
Not listed as a carcinogen by the NTP, IARC, or OSHA; no adverse long-term
effects are known.
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Steps to be taken in case material is spilled: Soak up spill with absorbent materials and place in containers.
Waste disposal method: Spill area can be washed with water; collect wash water for approved disposal. Do not
flush to storm sewer or waterway.
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Respiratory protection: none normally required
Ventilation: none normally required
Protective gloves: none normally required
Eye protection: safety glasses if eye contact is likely; eyewash fountain should be accessible.
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Precautions to be taken in handling and storage: store away from high temperature. Read and observe all
precautions on product label.

Other precautions: wash hands after use.
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The information contained herein is based on the data available to use and is believe to be correct. However,
Gamblin Artists Colors Co. makes no warranty, expressed or implied, regarding the accuracy of these data or the
results to be obtained from the use thereof. Gamblin assumes no responsibility for injury from the use of the product
described herein.

Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UV_tattoo

Arguments against UV tattoos

UV tattoo ink is not commonly known or used, as very few varieties of UV inks are approved for use in the US. It is also many times more expensive than regular tattoo inks. Some people have had reactions to ingredients in the ink, ranging from minor itching to dermatitis. Several UV inks are suspected carcinogens and allergens and at this time, no research has been conducted into the side effects of long term exposure. Although many people who have received black light tattoos have had physical effects on the skin, any ink could cause a reaction. This can be a result of not protecting the tattoo from UV rays within 3 months of receiving the tattoo process or by using scented cremes or lotions on the tattoo area. This can damage the ink, causing it to become a normal ink color in all light. In time, it may also not glow in black lighting. Clear/blue UV inks are known to yellow or turn slightly brown with sun exposure. Color/black UV inks are known to become colored in all lighting. Therefore, it might permanently appear as a regular tattoo.

Arguments for UV tattoos

Over recent years, as the formulas for UV inks have been improved upon, it has become more common to hear reports of success with little or no reaction.
Tattoos can be mostly invisible, suitable for those who may be restricted in their choice of tattoo placement (because of their profession, for example) who can then choose to show off the tattoo under UV or Black light lighting.

>> ^raverman:

This definitely needs eia these are the dumbest parents (and the other people on the beach) in the world.
Heaven forbid that a carcinogenic toxic spill should ruin your day building sand castles.

http://www.quicktsearch.com/is-oil-spill-sludge-carcinogenic/
"Direct skin contact with oil leads to skin irritation. At oil spill sites, exposure may cause headaches, dizziness, nausea, abdominal pain, and other unpleasant effects. Certain hydrocarbon components in crude oil are known to be cancer causing. All these evidences show that oil spill sludge is carcinogenic and extreme caution must be employed in the execution of oil spill cleanup."... Or letting your small children play in it...



http://videosift.com/video/Toxic-Vapors-From-Gulf-Oil-Spill-Reaching-Dangerous-Levels

This definitely needs *eia these are the dumbest parents (and the other people on the beach) in the world.

Heaven forbid that a carcinogenic toxic spill should ruin your day building sand castles.


http://www.quicktsearch.com/is-oil-spill-sludge-carcinogenic/

"Direct skin contact with oil leads to skin irritation. At oil spill sites, exposure may cause headaches, dizziness, nausea, abdominal pain, and other unpleasant effects. Certain hydrocarbon components in crude oil are known to be cancer causing. All these evidences show that oil spill sludge is carcinogenic and extreme caution must be employed in the execution of oil spill cleanup."... Or letting your small children play in it...

What great, time-conserving way to artificially increase the content of carcinogenic dioxins in my leftovers!

This is sure to decrease my life expectancy by alteast 10 to 20 years, thanks Metacafe!

(As many people have already stated in the previous comments, do NOT do this)