>> ^aceofkidneys:
ug,i fyou guys understood nutrition, you would know that this makes one less fat then the average sandwich. Likely more unhealthy, yes, but more fattening, no, this contains very little carbs, which are the cause of the fattening

Wow put down the south beach diet book and do some actual research. Sitting on your ass inhaling ho-hos is fattening. Intaking 858 fat and protein calories in one meal...won't break your belt in a day, but if you plan on using that protein, you need carbs in your diet. They say about 2 grams of carbs per 1 gram of protein.

>> ^sillma:
Pizza's actually worse, since it usually contains loads of carbs in white bread form.


Funny. They've been telling us for the last several years that 70% of our carbs should be coming from bread products.

Carbs? Calories? Fat? Pfft. I'm gonna have to pick one of these up.

Pizza's actually worse, since it usually contains loads of carbs in white bread form.

ug,i fyou guys understood nutrition, you would know that this makes one less fat then the average sandwich. Likely more unhealthy, yes, but more fattening, no, this contains very little carbs, which are the cause of the fattening

Holy fucking shit. my lats are aching from watching.

Oh, and he looked like a freak. eats some god damned carbs man!

cheap and good: popcorn! PASTA! Corn. Beans. Mixed vegetables in curry spices. Dal. I'd put milk here too.

also, pretzels are a relatively healthy snack, so long as you don't go crazy or get the ones covered in flavored crap.

should probably avoid just about every white carb/starch too.

I would agree - except to say that it may not be economically viable for everyone to consistently spend an extra $8.50 on meat pizzas all the time, and in that case there would be an issue of access to healthier foods (as far as pizza is concerned, I suppose it's relative). I know people who say they would eat more organic foods if they were cheaper, which may or may not be bullshit, but we'll never really know.

It's easy enough and addicting enough to eat fats and carbs, and if people out there are willing to shell out their savings to eat that way, then there should be no need to subsidize those things. On the other hand, access to broccoli et. al. is a health issue, and something that more people should be able to consider without consulting their checkbooks.

In the end we can't force feed veggies to people, but at least we won't be forcing them to opt for the dollar menu because they are trying to make ends meet.


In reply to this comment by MINK:
Are you saying that if fat and carbs weren't subsidised, people would eat healthier?

Because somehow, i really really doubt that. I think people like eating shit. It's called temptation and gluttony, it's written about in many books thousands of years old.

I am vegetarian. If i go to a pizzeria, my friends happily spend 50% extra to get meat on their pizza. I am quite sure that if the meat pizzas were $10 and the vegetarian pizzas were $1.50 they would still buy the meat pizza.



In reply to this comment by blahpook:
>> ^MINK:
nah man, let's just ask the marketplace what it thinks and then do that.


The fact that an over-processed candy bar is cheaper compared to something relatively fresh from the ground - cauliflower for example - doesn't seem to make much sense when taking into consideration labor and processing and packaging, and Pollan's argument is that the best way to account for this difference is by looking at what the government subsidizes.

When the Farm Bill subsidizes resources mainly concerned in fat and carb production (corn, soy, wheat - and, indirectly, meat and milk), naturally, more farmers will move in that direction, flooding the market with more of these cheap goods, typically making them even more affordable. The end result is a fat America, sadly enough.

Affordability combined with the addictive qualities of a lot of these foods (sugars from corn, fats from soy) makes the market choice work in favor of the subsidies and the lobbyists who support them. Until that changes, there's always going to be more people at the Fatburger than the Farmer's Market.

Are you saying that if fat and carbs weren't subsidised, people would eat healthier?

Because somehow, i really really doubt that. I think people like eating shit. It's called temptation and gluttony, it's written about in many books thousands of years old.

I am vegetarian. If i go to a pizzeria, my friends happily spend 50% extra to get meat on their pizza. I am quite sure that if the meat pizzas were $10 and the vegetarian pizzas were $1.50 they would still buy the meat pizza.



In reply to this comment by blahpook:
>> ^MINK:
nah man, let's just ask the marketplace what it thinks and then do that.


The fact that an over-processed candy bar is cheaper compared to something relatively fresh from the ground - cauliflower for example - doesn't seem to make much sense when taking into consideration labor and processing and packaging, and Pollan's argument is that the best way to account for this difference is by looking at what the government subsidizes.

When the Farm Bill subsidizes resources mainly concerned in fat and carb production (corn, soy, wheat - and, indirectly, meat and milk), naturally, more farmers will move in that direction, flooding the market with more of these cheap goods, typically making them even more affordable. The end result is a fat America, sadly enough.

Affordability combined with the addictive qualities of a lot of these foods (sugars from corn, fats from soy) makes the market choice work in favor of the subsidies and the lobbyists who support them. Until that changes, there's always going to be more people at the Fatburger than the Farmer's Market.

>> ^MINK:
nah man, let's just ask the marketplace what it thinks and then do that.


The fact that an over-processed candy bar is cheaper compared to something relatively fresh from the ground - cauliflower for example - doesn't seem to make much sense when taking into consideration labor and processing and packaging, and Pollan's argument is that the best way to account for this difference is by looking at what the government subsidizes.

When the Farm Bill subsidizes resources mainly concerned in fat and carb production (corn, soy, wheat - and, indirectly, meat and milk), naturally, more farmers will move in that direction, flooding the market with more of these cheap goods, typically making them even more affordable. The end result is a fat America, sadly enough.

Affordability combined with the addictive qualities of a lot of these foods (sugars from corn, fats from soy) makes the market choice work in favor of the subsidies and the lobbyists who support them. Until that changes, there's always going to be more people at the Fatburger than the Farmer's Market.

Food is the most powerful drug known to man.

Carbohydrates have 4 calories per gram, protein 4 calories per gram, and fat 9 calories per gram. At a protein to carbohydrate ratio of 0.70, the body exhibits an optimal hormonal response.

40% carbs, 30% protein, 30% fat (emphasis on monounsaturated) at every meal will give you more energy than you've ever had in your life.

I keep a 3 lb bag of unsalted, generic brand peanuts in my desk drawer. Think it cost 3.99... for 5440 calories, very good value for money. 13g fat, 7g protein, 7g carbs. A bit high fat - but definitely better than anything out of the vending machine. No transfats. Having to shell them means you can't just eat a handful
Walnuts and almonds are high in omega-3s which are very good for you- http://www.videosift.com/video/Dramatic-Effects-of-Omega-3-on-Rat-Brain-Function

>> ^blankfist:
^Ooooo! Look at him making friends!


Oh come now, blankfist, you can't possibly want pancakes AND toast. Think of the carbs!

This Cherry Chocolate Dr. Pepper is really something incredible. I don't know how they do it (don't say Splenda), but it has zero calories, zero carbs, zero fat, etc. but tastes exactly as if you just started chewing on a chocolate covered cherry.

Unfortunately a lot of foods marketed as "low calorie" or "low fat" have no nutritional value and cause people's muscles to atrophy, slowing their metabolism, making them fatter. Nutrient-sparse high-glycemic-index carbs are the worst thing to eat if you are trying to lose weight, yet lots of them are marketed that way. I recommend milk and boca burgers. My weight has stayed at 138±5 lbs from age 17 to age 23.

People can become deficient in fat. Getting some kinds of fat from food is absolutely essential.