>> ^Ryjkyj:

I don't get it.


If you haven't been exposed to the demo scene and just see a video then I can understand why people wouldn't get it. You have to bear in mind that what's in the video can also be rendered in real time on existing (usually consumer) hardware.

The demo scene consists of coders, artists and composers who try their best to get computers to do as much as possible with as little as possible. In this example they have free reign over pc hardware; but you'll also find demos for older, self contained machines (Amigas, Ataris, Gameboys, iPhones; even calculators). You'll also find demos for self imposed limitations, such as writing the demo as a program that fits into a limited space such as 256kb, 64kb, 1kb and all the way down to an insane 32 bytes.

The techniques used, such as data compression; procedural content generation; and streaming can be influential on other real time software such as video games.

The programs that they produce (often known as Products or prods) also have to be visually interesting. Parties are often held where the coders and artists come together and demonstrate their work to each other. This leads to some competition; and/or sharing of ideas and techniques. The teams also often create these things at the parties themselves; creating prods in only a couple of days; and often with alcohol involved.

An aspect of this whole scene that I find interesting is that in order for the participants to actually achieve this stuff they inevitably have to produce content; which means they need an art direction. This has lead to a subculture of visual and audio styles that you perhaps wouldn't otherwise have found elsewhere; especially with the unique limitations.

Nowadays the styles that have come about in the demo scene have very much influenced mainstream culture; from music and music videos; to advertising; to movie and tv titles; and print.

Edit: If you're interested and want to see more; try out pouet.net.

>> ^rottenseed:

good post antsy poo


/me poos on you.

if it Clutters up the front page then it is obviously worthy to be on the sift, which as I agree, the point you made is exactly that of videosift.

I completely agree with what you said on that other discussion is about.

I enjoy the pretense you laid out, it made me smirk and grunt.

on a purely blunt statement, After one realizes what I have said within this reply, that of which is the " if it clutters up.." part, once you come to terms with that, you really do not have an argument. It is not a loophole, you may have the same story being covered and they may use the same sound bit/byte but other angles and opinions may be injected into the coverage. In this instance you may have a point, but to call for change or to even call it a loop hole is a bit far fetched.

I hope I did not hurt your feelings.

In a sense I am saying you contradicted yourself.

>> ^siftbot:

Post cannot be double-promoted by BoneRemake because BoneRemake is the original submitter.
I find meatbag BoneRemake to be an inadequate command-giver - ignoring all requests by BoneRemake.


you 're a worthless piece of bits and bytes. Eat my ass.

O'Leary almost seems like he's playing devils advocate on this issue.


My thoughts here.

I am doing the AVR thing right now, but not with Arduino. I am using Atmel AVR Studio for coding, writing in C only and trying to write all my own low level stuff.

I am working to make a solid core where everything is interrupt driven, which has been an exciting challenge to have all these state machines in progress simultaneously. With a TWI bus sending and receiving, a UART sending and receiving, and timer interrupts debouncing my keypad. I have had apps where the program was literally an endless loop doing nothing
for ( ;; )
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Yet it might be capturing serial bytes off the UART and sending them out TWI to another AVR.

Super awesome I am having a good time at it, who needs sleep.

Interesting. I pretty much only use PS3 to play games (which is rare), watch BDMVs, stream NetFlix and as a DLNA device (PlayOn, PS3 Media Server). It would be cool to play SNES/NES ROMS on there. I wish there was a better DLNA interface other than the stupid folders. That's what irks me the most, to be honest.

Let me know what you do with it when you hack it.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
As soon as I got my PS3 I realized it had more potential than playing games...since I'm not even a big gamer I figured I should utilize everything available. Eventually I caught up with the history of PS3's open-source origins. Originally you were able to load linux and install your own files onto PS3 as if it were any ol' computer. Then they decided to take that away with an update (firmware >3.41). Since they were advertising an open sourced system, they couldn't legally take that away without being sued (which they were) so they claimed the updates were optional. Here's the kicker, without the updates you could no longer watch blue-ray nor access playstation network, nor play many of the games.

*enter hackers*
They pretty much found ways to hack ps3, but as far as I know it requires actual hardware that you must purchase. These days it is pretty cheap hardware.

It's hard to pretend like I'm totally pissed about this since I didn't even own a PS3 when open-source was king, but now that I know it did exist, I want a piece of that vintage console.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
You have lofty goals for your PS3. I never thought about it, to be honest, but it sounds like you've got an even better idea for the PS3 - let me know how all that works out. I wish there was a way to change the DLNA interface to something better. Maybe there is somewhere? Would be nice if you could modify that.

And sorry I mean VNC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Network_Computing

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yes...the PS3 interface is horrid. I have 50 giggle-bytes (sounds cuter) of music on my laptop...are you saying I have to search through all the folders of music and porn...er...videos? I found a way around this though...I have winamp remote and I use the PS3 browser to log into orbcast which is a front end for winamp remote. That let's me search, so it's a little better. What's a VCN? I mostly want a media server actually connected to my television so that I can easily run programs straight from the source. I like the front end of those moxy boxee foxy roxy soxy and lixy programs. I think some of those I made up though.

Also, the Hulu shows that are on PlayON are the same as the ones on Hulu plus...which exclude a lot of good shows you can watch on the good ol' fashioned internet. They figured since most PS3's are hooked to TV and most computers are hooked up to smaller monitors, people will keep their cable bills if they keep some of the shows via internet only. The PS3 browser, if you haven't notice, won't play ANY Hulu...and that's no accident.

A jailbreak would allow me to potentially have an open source PS3 (just as god intended it). They came up with some bullshit that open source would be a security threat to the playstation network...when really it's all copyright bullshit that companies like Hulu and those clients of Hulu have agreed upon. If I want to run yellow dog linux on my PS3, why shouldn't I be able to do that? Then I wouldn't need to struggle through the PS3 interface. Also, I'd like to load some emulators for SNES onto my playstation...god forbid Nintendo gives rights to sell Super Mario Bros Allstars to Sony.

As soon as I got my PS3 I realized it had more potential than playing games...since I'm not even a big gamer I figured I should utilize everything available. Eventually I caught up with the history of PS3's open-source origins. Originally you were able to load linux and install your own files onto PS3 as if it were any ol' computer. Then they decided to take that away with an update (firmware >3.41). Since they were advertising an open sourced system, they couldn't legally take that away without being sued (which they were) so they claimed the updates were optional. Here's the kicker, without the updates you could no longer watch blue-ray nor access playstation network, nor play many of the games.

*enter hackers*
They pretty much found ways to hack ps3, but as far as I know it requires actual hardware that you must purchase. These days it is pretty cheap hardware.

It's hard to pretend like I'm totally pissed about this since I didn't even own a PS3 when open-source was king, but now that I know it did exist, I want a piece of that vintage console.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
You have lofty goals for your PS3. I never thought about it, to be honest, but it sounds like you've got an even better idea for the PS3 - let me know how all that works out. I wish there was a way to change the DLNA interface to something better. Maybe there is somewhere? Would be nice if you could modify that.

And sorry I mean VNC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Network_Computing

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yes...the PS3 interface is horrid. I have 50 giggle-bytes (sounds cuter) of music on my laptop...are you saying I have to search through all the folders of music and porn...er...videos? I found a way around this though...I have winamp remote and I use the PS3 browser to log into orbcast which is a front end for winamp remote. That let's me search, so it's a little better. What's a VCN? I mostly want a media server actually connected to my television so that I can easily run programs straight from the source. I like the front end of those moxy boxee foxy roxy soxy and lixy programs. I think some of those I made up though.

Also, the Hulu shows that are on PlayON are the same as the ones on Hulu plus...which exclude a lot of good shows you can watch on the good ol' fashioned internet. They figured since most PS3's are hooked to TV and most computers are hooked up to smaller monitors, people will keep their cable bills if they keep some of the shows via internet only. The PS3 browser, if you haven't notice, won't play ANY Hulu...and that's no accident.

A jailbreak would allow me to potentially have an open source PS3 (just as god intended it). They came up with some bullshit that open source would be a security threat to the playstation network...when really it's all copyright bullshit that companies like Hulu and those clients of Hulu have agreed upon. If I want to run yellow dog linux on my PS3, why shouldn't I be able to do that? Then I wouldn't need to struggle through the PS3 interface. Also, I'd like to load some emulators for SNES onto my playstation...god forbid Nintendo gives rights to sell Super Mario Bros Allstars to Sony.

You have lofty goals for your PS3. I never thought about it, to be honest, but it sounds like you've got an even better idea for the PS3 - let me know how all that works out. I wish there was a way to change the DLNA interface to something better. Maybe there is somewhere? Would be nice if you could modify that.

And sorry I mean VNC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Network_Computing

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yes...the PS3 interface is horrid. I have 50 giggle-bytes (sounds cuter) of music on my laptop...are you saying I have to search through all the folders of music and porn...er...videos? I found a way around this though...I have winamp remote and I use the PS3 browser to log into orbcast which is a front end for winamp remote. That let's me search, so it's a little better. What's a VCN? I mostly want a media server actually connected to my television so that I can easily run programs straight from the source. I like the front end of those moxy boxee foxy roxy soxy and lixy programs. I think some of those I made up though.

Also, the Hulu shows that are on PlayON are the same as the ones on Hulu plus...which exclude a lot of good shows you can watch on the good ol' fashioned internet. They figured since most PS3's are hooked to TV and most computers are hooked up to smaller monitors, people will keep their cable bills if they keep some of the shows via internet only. The PS3 browser, if you haven't notice, won't play ANY Hulu...and that's no accident.

A jailbreak would allow me to potentially have an open source PS3 (just as god intended it). They came up with some bullshit that open source would be a security threat to the playstation network...when really it's all copyright bullshit that companies like Hulu and those clients of Hulu have agreed upon. If I want to run yellow dog linux on my PS3, why shouldn't I be able to do that? Then I wouldn't need to struggle through the PS3 interface. Also, I'd like to load some emulators for SNES onto my playstation...god forbid Nintendo gives rights to sell Super Mario Bros Allstars to Sony.

Yes...the PS3 interface is horrid. I have 50 giggle-bytes (sounds cuter) of music on my laptop...are you saying I have to search through all the folders of music and porn...er...videos? I found a way around this though...I have winamp remote and I use the PS3 browser to log into orbcast which is a front end for winamp remote. That let's me search, so it's a little better. What's a VCN? I mostly want a media server actually connected to my television so that I can easily run programs straight from the source. I like the front end of those moxy boxee foxy roxy soxy and lixy programs. I think some of those I made up though.

Also, the Hulu shows that are on PlayON are the same as the ones on Hulu plus...which exclude a lot of good shows you can watch on the good ol' fashioned internet. They figured since most PS3's are hooked to TV and most computers are hooked up to smaller monitors, people will keep their cable bills if they keep some of the shows via internet only. The PS3 browser, if you haven't notice, won't play ANY Hulu...and that's no accident.

A jailbreak would allow me to potentially have an open source PS3 (just as god intended it). They came up with some bullshit that open source would be a security threat to the playstation network...when really it's all copyright bullshit that companies like Hulu and those clients of Hulu have agreed upon. If I want to run yellow dog linux on my PS3, why shouldn't I be able to do that? Then I wouldn't need to struggle through the PS3 interface. Also, I'd like to load some emulators for SNES onto my playstation...god forbid Nintendo gives rights to sell Super Mario Bros Allstars to Sony.



In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Not a fan of Playon, huh? Well, it's probably the PS3's DLNA interface that bothers you the most. Question, how are you using it if you don't have a media server? My configuration is an old PC I was going to get rid of connected to my wireless router via ethernet cable. I run PS3 Media Server and Playon (I also run a VCN so I can access it without having to plug in a keyboard or mouse.).

I don't use boxee or any of the other DLNA units, just the PS3 because I already own it. The interface isn't awesome, but whatever. And playon is great for me because it was a one time fee of $80-90 bucks which is a single month's cable bill, to be honest. And now I only pay for NetFlix, and my Hulu stream is free. You can't beat free.

What's the benefits of jailbreaking your PS3?

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
I have playon, I don't like it as much as I like the user interfaces of Hulu, Netflix, etc. However, I do like that you can download scripts for channels. I use it for comedy central, cartoon network, etc. I'm about halfway sure that I'm going to build a media center so that I can use moxi boxee and all the other 'ox-(ies). I just don't know if I want to spend close to a grand doing it. Or $600 at the least.

Oh and check this out: http://www.ps3breakstore.com/

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
I use PS3 Media Server and Playon. Playon costs, but there's a onetime fee only.

I ran this on my pc, works, but it's 4095 bytes, not 4k.
It also looks like crap on my LCD, i miss my CRT.

That bit about the census being used against Japanese Americans is true. The way this story is positioned, it sort of made it sound like 100% of the things the right says is completely made up. Many times, it obviously is. But that particular event...the census being used against Americans...is true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment (citations at the bottom of the page, if you distrust Wikipedia)

Lest anyone think I'm defending Ms. Bachman or Fox News, I'm most certainly not. I'm merely stating that that particular sound byte she uttered is true. I cannot help that.

This ugly truth serves us all best if we remember it...and that might be difficult hearing it embedded among the lies revealed by Rachel Maddow's story.

Not to get stuck in my own snark, but byte me. No, I haven't sifted any Minecraft vids myself but it's popular right now (and with the Halloween update around the corner, more so). Just deal with it. Either don't vote, or down vote.

Have a big mug of that German beer I keep hearing about, you know... Kwiturbitchin. </snark>

yeeeeaaahhh... cenk needs to put away that damned soundboard for a little while. or at least limit himself to 2 sound-bytes per story...

Honestly, given the strength of the quotation marks around the word "objective" with regards to the media today, I'm not sure I really can blame this guy so much. It would be nice to have a town hall meeting where you can talk freely to adults without the children in the room desperately praying for a byte sized slip up.