"much more easily than say, getting rid of 100% of the bad cops without some kind of telepathic superpowers or magically preventing 100% of the crimes that lead to victims sueing the police"

Exactly my point about breaking a few eggs to make your big government omelet. Statists may dislike the atrocities of government, but they see it as a necessary casualty. Every day we see cops doing downright untoward and malicious things to people, even murdering them, yet the system keeps right on going. Never does a statist say, "Shit, maybe this whole police state thing isn't panning out as expected."

It's always, "there are some good cops out there too." It's senseless Stockholm Syndrome battered wife apologies.

I love Watchmen because of this very notion. Tangent alert. Nite Owl II is your typical effete modern liberal and a sensitive intellectual. He believes violence is necessary to correct the social injustices, but believe it should be just. That doesn't stop him from continuing to work with people like the Comedian and Rorschach who use violence with a great deal less restraint. In fact, he enjoys Rorschach as a partner and accepts his overzealous violence. He may not condone it himself, but he sees it as a necessary evil. Breaking a few eggs to make an omelet.

Yes, because we also allow Jews and Christians to stone their children for misbehaving on the grounds of freedom of religion.

>> ^quantumushroom:

The left may not condone beating one's wife, but due to moral relativism it cannot condemn the same. There is no moral authority to stop 1.5 billion muslims from exercising their freedom of religion.

>> ^quantumushroom:

According to the religion of peace, Islam "permits a man to hit his wife but only if she doesn't do as he asks. The beating must cease if the woman complies with her husband's demands. Beating is also intended to be the last resort of coercing submission, behind verbal abuse and abandonment."
The left may not condone beating one's wife, but due to moral relativism it cannot condemn the same. There is no moral authority to stop 1.5 billion muslims from exercising their freedom of religion.

What?

Haha, are you seriously suggesting that freedom of relgion, letting a muslim practise his relgion = letting him beat his wife. Oh wow.

>> ^Payback:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Payback:
Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.
That is a really, really unfair thing to say. Abuse CAN occur in relationships like that, probably in ways which aren't easy to grasp from an observer, but consensual bdsm is certainly not abuse.
There's a word for people who insults/attacks something because they don't understand it.....

I am not being a troll, or anything else you are alluding to. I was commenting in the context of the video's content. A woman, like the one pictured, enduring the beating the woman in the video portrays, is suffering from abuse, whether she likes it or not. If said woman does happen to be one of those people who do like being abused to this extreme, she SHOULD be in therapy, not giving some power-sick fuck his jollies. For that matter, anyone who gets off on inflicting the kind of damage portrayed should be having their head shrunk as well, if not removed from public.
I fully realize my previous comment could be taken in the way you seem to have. I was not referring to "mainstream" BDSM, just the other end where physical damage, like in the video, occurs. Hence the term "extreme s/m".


I'm not going to be able to accept any interpretation of the sentence "extreme bdsm is abuse" other than an ironic interpretation. It's even more insulting to say that "if you're into extreme bdsm you should be in therapy". It's not up to any one of us to judge someone on what they find enjoyable unless it's harmful to others.

If it's not consensual, it's abuse.
BDSM is a term which refers to consensual acts.
As soon as something crosses into abuse, it ceases to be BDSM.

It's like saying "that flower is so red that it's black" - it doesn't make sense. It's like saying "the car is going 29 miles per hour, which is so close to 30 miles per hour that it's 30 miles per hour!"

The car is either going at 30, or it's <30. Just because you or me couldn't tell the difference with our measuring devices doesn't make the car go any faster or slower.
Edit: And i certainly wasn't accusing you of being a troll.

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Payback:
Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.
That is a really, really unfair thing to say. Abuse CAN occur in relationships like that, probably in ways which aren't easy to grasp from an observer, but consensual bdsm is certainly not abuse.
There's a word for people who insults/attacks something because they don't understand it.....


I am not being a troll, or anything else you are alluding to. I was commenting in the context of the video's content. A woman, like the one pictured, enduring the beating the woman in the video portrays, is suffering from abuse, whether she likes it or not. If said woman does happen to be one of those people who do like being abused to this extreme, she SHOULD be in therapy, not giving some power-sick fuck his jollies. For that matter, anyone who gets off on inflicting the kind of damage portrayed should be having their head shrunk as well, if not removed from public.
I fully realize my previous comment could be taken in the way you seem to have. I was not referring to "mainstream" BDSM, just the other end where physical damage, like in the video, occurs. Hence the term "extreme s/m".

>> ^AnimalsForCrackers:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Payback:
Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.
That is a really, really unfair thing to say. Abuse CAN occur in relationships like that, probably in ways which aren't easy to grasp from an observer, but consensual bdsm is certainly not abuse.
There's a word for people who insults/attacks something because they don't understand it.....

Yeah, agreed, I think there's a pretty clear ethical distinction between the two. Kinda trivializes the real issue of familial/spousal abuse and it's victim's plight to bother about what mutually consenting adults(of sound decision making capacity) find pleasureable and do in private.
I guess it could be very charitably described as abuse if used in the most vague, indescript terms possible. It seemed like you were (unintentionaly?) equivocating.


I suppose so, in the "i want to be abused" kind of sense.

Anyway, back on topic.

Heard yesterday about my friend. I was like 6-12 and so was she, we lived next door to each other. Got on like a house on fire, we were always playing. She had a bunch of kids starting at 16 and she's still going years later. Apparently the reason she was promiscuous at that age was because she was getting ... abuse ... from her father when she was my friend. And it's hard to describe the feeling that i have right now, and my dad feels the same way. Like, if only he'd have known (i would have been too young at the time ofc), he could have so easily stopped it. It would have taken 5 minutes of his time to give the guy the sort of beating he'd never forget and stopped the whole damn thing.

And then it makes me think that there's people out there right now having the same thing done to them, and i'm sat here watching videos, and if i only knew where to go, i could go there right now and stop it happening and turn someone's life around.

I can't watch the video. Seeing any form of abuse - bullying, anything - even in fiction - boils my blood instantly. My fists tighten of their own accord, my hackles raise. I abhore violence, but i'd defend the innocent to the death without hesitation. I can't even imagine how someone could abuse someone else.

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Payback:
Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.
That is a really, really unfair thing to say. Abuse CAN occur in relationships like that, probably in ways which aren't easy to grasp from an observer, but consensual bdsm is certainly not abuse.
There's a word for people who insults/attacks something because they don't understand it.....


Yeah, agreed, I think there's a pretty clear ethical distinction between the two. Kinda trivializes the real issue of familial/spousal abuse and it's victim's plight to bother about what mutually consenting adults(of sound decision making capacity) find pleasureable and do in private.

I guess it could be very charitably described as abuse if used in the most vague, indescript terms possible. It seemed like you were (unintentionaly?) equivocating.

>> ^Payback:

Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.

That is a really, really unfair thing to say. Abuse CAN occur in relationships like that, probably in ways which aren't easy to grasp from an observer, but consensual bdsm is certainly not abuse.

There's a word for people who insults/attacks something because they don't understand it.....

>> ^entr0py:

While this is tragic, he probably just mistook her for a zombie.


That's really horrible, but a good example of how I can just barely appreciate humor in the face of awfulness.

Shut your face and get back in the dungeon. *slaps*
>> ^Payback:

>> ^gwiz665:
It takes a certain kind of asshole to beat up someone he loves. /spits

Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.

>> ^gwiz665:

It takes a certain kind of asshole to beat up someone he loves. /spits


Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.

Your video, It Rarely Stops, has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

and ya, looked at his mug. its fucking road rash, which is par for the course cuz his face ate pavement. he didnt get a beating dumbass. It just looks bad. theyre fucking surface scabs boo damn hoo. this isnt in any way comparable to say battered wives or something. his "wounds" wont even leave scars and he's got a shiner that will dissipate in like 2 days. he's not a fucking martyr. he's some dumbass who had a bit too much to drink to be driving and then refused to complete an FST and then repeatedly resisted arrest.

do i feel sympathy for the guy? a little. I mean only sick people enjoy the physical injury of another. so ya, sucks that he got slammed like that and subsequently got rashed and ko'd. but for fucks sake the guy is no rodney king

You're like a battered woman. Sure, he's lied to you, started wars, raised taxes, exploded the deficit, exploded the size of government, and shredded the constitution, but he still tells you that he wants to settle down and really get "back" to following conservative ideology (which he's never actually practiced in his entire lifetime), and that he really means it this time.

Ummm, she didn't release it (and I don't think she wants your sympathy, either). But what if she had released it? So? If even half of what she claims about Mel's treatment of her is true, the more people that know about it, the safer she'll be. Would you also have no sympathy for a battered wife because, in your opinion, she probably has so little respect for herself that it's her own fault her husband beats her? Shit, if you want to blame her for Mel's self-destruction, at least come up with a better reason than that. At least Mel could point to something visceral like "foriegn bodies" and "tight outfits", although most men would list those firmly in the "Plus" column. As far as her responses to Mel, either she actually IS that calm and collected, OR, she realizes she is recording the conversation and is altering her usual behavior somewhat, OR, she is simply resigned in her responses as one who realizes they are talking to an intractable, threatening psycho would be.

As far as your theory she may have re-recorded her parts... Why would she? What could she have POSSIBLY said that warranted re-recording? "I LOVE showing my tits like a whore, Mel-O! WTF you gonna do about it?!? For all you know, I'm getting trained by brothers every night!" Really?

I used to be a big Mel Gibson fan. I'm disappointed that he's truly a prick and a creep, and that I can't watch his movies the same way any more, if at all. But he destroyed himself. She had nothing to do with it.>> ^griefer_queafer:

Also, I have no sympathy for this woman. By releasing this tape, she is not just showing what kind of a person Gibson is--she is also showing that she has very little respect for herself by dating a person who would say these things to her. Also, I am not even sure how much this kind of thing reveals about the guy. Again, sounds like he is on drugs, or is manic, or both. Plus, from the sound of the audio, I wouldn't be surprised if she re-recorded he responses to Mel, which sound really rehearsed anyway. So... Mel is an ass, but fuck her too.