I always thjought america had a schizophrenic relationship with sex. I think it's a quote from Jack Nicholson that goes something like this: 'Show a nipple and your movie get's a R, cut a breast off with a sword and it get's a PG'
There a few countries with such a giant adult entertainment industry and at the same time abstinence only sex education.

Repressed sexuality is never a good thing.

Eh. By its very nature the porn industry attracts people with "bad" tendencies, because they can't live them out in real life. To say that all porn is degrading, dehumanizing etc. is nearsighted.

I don't particularly enjoy any degrading porn, it just makes me cringe, but since there's a market for it, there it is. Porn is not sex, it's fantasy. Young people who see it may think differently, but that's not the porn makers responsibility, that's parents and the society surrounding them.

This all sounds like "I don't like the mainstream, the mainstream should be more like what I like!!" which is just childish. Porn hipster. Hah.

Here you go, you softies http://www.reddit.com/r/passionx

>> ^spoco2:

Wow... I... um... am going to agree with @quantumushroom, that's pretty amazing.
Sex is not wrong in any way, filming or photographing it is not wrong. What mainstream porn has become IS FUCKING wrong. It's absolutely disgusting what passes for adult entertainment now. QM says it's dehumanizing, and he's fucking right. Porn has become a competition about how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take.
It's fucking horrible and disgusting. I hate it. My wife and I used to watch porn together sometimes, but then she went through a point of just not being able to link having a daughter and what happens to the women in porn videos.
And as much as I would like to say 'Yeah, but it's not all like that, there is caring, sweet porn. There is female centric porn, there is porn that is hot and heavy but still respects the woman.' But you know what? There's fuck all. There really isn't. Everything is all now gagging the woman with a cock, pulling her mouth open with fingers, getting the women to spit into each other's mouths, cock slapping, hard ramming... and on and on and on... It's horrible. It's NOT what sex is, it's NOT how you have a wonderful time with a woman.
And yet it creates a generation of men who think that's how you treat women.
The fact that this site should even have a reason to exist is horrible. Horrible.

And sure, she's saying that her videos are about sexual expression for her, but you hear that all the time from women while they're still making films. Because men want to imagine that the woman they're watching fuck while they jerk off is actually really enjoying puking because a dick was pushed too far down her throat.
But you know what? They pretty much all say the opposite once they're not making money from it any more.
So, yeah, nothing wrong with painting naked women, nothing wrong with painting naked women who act in porn movies... but porn movies aren't as harmless as people make out.

>> ^spoco2:

Wow... I... um... am going to agree with @quantumushroom, that's pretty amazing.
Sex is not wrong in any way, filming or photographing it is not wrong. What mainstream porn has become IS FUCKING wrong. It's absolutely disgusting what passes for adult entertainment now. QM says it's dehumanizing, and he's fucking right. Porn has become a competition about how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take.
It's fucking horrible and disgusting. I hate it. My wife and I used to watch porn together sometimes, but then she went through a point of just not being able to link having a daughter and what happens to the women in porn videos.
And as much as I would like to say 'Yeah, but it's not all like that, there is caring, sweet porn. There is female centric porn, there is porn that is hot and heavy but still respects the woman.' But you know what? There's fuck all. There really isn't. Everything is all now gagging the woman with a cock, pulling her mouth open with fingers, getting the women to spit into each other's mouths, cock slapping, hard ramming... and on and on and on... It's horrible. It's NOT what sex is, it's NOT how you have a wonderful time with a woman.
And yet it creates a generation of men who think that's how you treat women.
The fact that this site should even have a reason to exist is horrible. Horrible.

And sure, she's saying that her videos are about sexual expression for her, but you hear that all the time from women while they're still making films. Because men want to imagine that the woman they're watching fuck while they jerk off is actually really enjoying puking because a dick was pushed too far down her throat.
But you know what? They pretty much all say the opposite once they're not making money from it any more.
So, yeah, nothing wrong with painting naked women, nothing wrong with painting naked women who act in porn movies... but porn movies aren't as harmless as people make out.


I agree with this almost entirely. I don't see why Belladonna should take the blame for it, though. QM said that she, specifically, doesn't know right from wrong and that's what I asked about.

With another sentence or two he could have closed the loop and tied it together. But I'm filling in the blanks when I imagine what those sentences might be, as is @Lawdeedaw, and we could be totally off base with our guesses.

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Well said and I agree. >> ^spoco2:

Wow... I... um... am going to agree with @quantumushroom, that's pretty amazing.
Sex is not wrong in any way, filming or photographing it is not wrong. What mainstream porn has become IS FUCKING wrong. It's absolutely disgusting what passes for adult entertainment now. QM says it's dehumanizing, and he's fucking right. Porn has become a competition about how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take.
It's fucking horrible and disgusting. I hate it. My wife and I used to watch porn together sometimes, but then she went through a point of just not being able to link having a daughter and what happens to the women in porn videos.
And as much as I would like to say 'Yeah, but it's not all like that, there is caring, sweet porn. There is female centric porn, there is porn that is hot and heavy but still respects the woman.' But you know what? There's fuck all. There really isn't. Everything is all now gagging the woman with a cock, pulling her mouth open with fingers, getting the women to spit into each other's mouths, cock slapping, hard ramming... and on and on and on... It's horrible. It's NOT what sex is, it's NOT how you have a wonderful time with a woman.
And yet it creates a generation of men who think that's how you treat women.
The fact that this site should even have a reason to exist is horrible. Horrible.

And sure, she's saying that her videos are about sexual expression for her, but you hear that all the time from women while they're still making films. Because men want to imagine that the woman they're watching fuck while they jerk off is actually really enjoying puking because a dick was pushed too far down her throat.
But you know what? They pretty much all say the opposite once they're not making money from it any more.
So, yeah, nothing wrong with painting naked women, nothing wrong with painting naked women who act in porn movies... but porn movies aren't as harmless as people make out.

Wow... I... um... am going to agree with @quantumushroom, that's pretty amazing.

Sex is not wrong in any way, filming or photographing it is not wrong. What mainstream porn has become IS FUCKING wrong. It's absolutely disgusting what passes for adult entertainment now. QM says it's dehumanizing, and he's fucking right. Porn has become a competition about how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take.

It's fucking horrible and disgusting. I hate it. My wife and I used to watch porn together sometimes, but then she went through a point of just not being able to link having a daughter and what happens to the women in porn videos.

And as much as I would like to say 'Yeah, but it's not all like that, there is caring, sweet porn. There is female centric porn, there is porn that is hot and heavy but still respects the woman.' But you know what? There's fuck all. There really isn't. Everything is all now gagging the woman with a cock, pulling her mouth open with fingers, getting the women to spit into each other's mouths, cock slapping, hard ramming... and on and on and on... It's horrible. It's NOT what sex is, it's NOT how you have a wonderful time with a woman.

And yet it creates a generation of men who think that's how you treat women.

The fact that this site should even have a reason to exist is horrible. Horrible.


And sure, she's saying that her videos are about sexual expression for her, but you hear that all the time from women while they're still making films. Because men want to imagine that the woman they're watching fuck while they jerk off is actually really enjoying puking because a dick was pushed too far down her throat.

But you know what? They pretty much all say the opposite once they're not making money from it any more.

So, yeah, nothing wrong with painting naked women, nothing wrong with painting naked women who act in porn movies... but porn movies aren't as harmless as people make out.

Ya know, I meet so many people out there opposed to prostitution, yet they give porn a "get out of jail free" card and see it as a necessary evil, a simple/disgusting perversion that continues to corrupt/haunt all men everywhere. And yet, the fact remains that your still paying people to have sex. Although I guess you could throw the argument out there that "professional adult-entertainment actors" work in a much safer and controlled environment. And then again you hear about all kinds of corruption and maltreatment of young girls trying to make their way in the adult entertainment industry.

Whether you find prostitution immoral or not, the fact remains, it's gonna happen. The least we can do is regulate it and keep our women safe.

investing $5 million to push this technology into adult entertainment

Yes, but they don't have a license for adult entertainment.

This is all just a matter of paperwork.

Looks like a great innovation for the sushi industry.

... and by "sushi" I mean "interactive online adult entertainment".

HA! I've never heard that song. It's TRUE though. We saw one. It was illuminated large on the grill of a truck. We passed another one that had to be 100 ft. tall placed in combat next to an adult entertainment shop. Who would build a church next to an adult store? Hilarious.



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Notice a few crosses back down there in the South did you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKIkSSqwgyI

Wow, you sure hit on a popular topic pinky... posted a day ago, and 98 replies.

My problem with your post?

You list a collection of EASILY shot down, ridiculous arguments as if they are things that those of us that are ok with porn believe in. Which makes it really easy to defend your position because you've preset the bar really low on your opponent's side.

I have stated my views on porn on this site a number of times, but they go something like this:

* Pornography, something made to sexually arouse someone is not in any way inherently wrong, how can you suggest that making someone turned on is a bad thing?

* There is a LOT of sleaze and sadness in the porn world. This is my fundamental issue with porn. In a perfect world, all the people involved in the production of porn would be enjoying themselves, would be treated with utmost respect and be unashamed of what they do. In the real world the majority of people involved in it do so because they need the money and couldn't be bothered/haven't had the opportunity to get a 'real' job that pays as well. This really affects my enjoyment of porn because I keep being snapped out of the fantasy when I think of how much the actress (and sometimes the man) is not enjoying herself. There ARE movies which show REAL couples enjoying themselves together in front of a camera with someone they really care for/love, and do so because it turns them on, and these are sensational (well, the idea is, the only one I watched was not great). But the sad truth is that most porn out there features people that would rather be doing something else.

* There is a disturbing trend towards humiliation in porn that I've seen these days. The treatment of women as mere objects to fuck, and to do so in the most savage way possible really, really disturbs me and makes me feel concerned for the general mindset of men at the moment towards women.

* But that doesn't mean that I rule out porn entirely, I enjoy porn, I enjoy adult entertainment, I enjoy it with my wife on occasion and it makes for a fun and erotic time. BUT you have to hunt down the porn that is pro women in the way things happen on screen (women are pleasured, treated well, with respect), shows respect and basically just leads to a great feeling of heightened eroticism. It can help to have a couple explore their fantasies and communicate things they'd like to try. But throw in a bit of humiliation or mistreatment and it can ruin it for everyone as we don't want to see that kind of crap.

Pornography in and of itself is not bad, there is plenty of bad pornography out there, but there's also plenty of good porn too. So I do condemn a lot of porn I've seen snippets of, and lament that there isn't a higher percentage of the type of porn that shows people treating each other with respect in a sexual way. If there was more of that I think the entire industry could be better for it, rather than heading down the track of 'the dirtier, the filthier the better', as that's a path to complete self destruction and they'll just find their position so hard to defend as almost no decent person can defend something which denigrates others so much.

So... there, you got another huge response from me... dang you!

Someone is wrong on the Internet again, so here goes another long reply...

>> ^spoco2:
But, see, you're taking the stance that images or movies of people having sex is inherently wrong. WHY?

Where exactly do I say that? Please enlighten me. I took the time to define pornography as something that doesn't include the sexual images themselves and you somehow twist this and dare say that I think images and movies of people having sex are inherently wrong? Great non sequitur! Images of violence and criminality aren't inherently wrong either, but see, that doesn't mean violence and criminilaty themselves aren't wrong and that certainly doesn't mean that condoning violence and criminal behavior isn't wrong too. The latter point is the most relevant to pornography, since the sexual act itself isn't what is at stake here. But the act of pornography, defined to incorporate the objectification and degradation of women in a process of sexual gratification is inherently wrong, yes. If your images and movies do not objectify or degrade women for sexual gratification, then don't call it pornography.

Come on, if all the parties in the photos/videos are happy doing so, and no-one is hurt, no-one is treated badly, why is it wrong? Trying to build the fallacious argument that adult entertainment = violence and crime is ludicrous.

I am not equating "adult entertainment" to "violence and crime". Stop trying to subtly change the terms, you're not fooling anyone here (I would hope so). I am making an analogy between pornography and violence/crime. If you don't know the difference between "to equate" and "to make an analogy", I'm sorry for you.

Violence and crime are doing bad things to other people, pure pornography, just showing people having sex is not. It CAN be if the acts depicted are violent or degrading, but that's swinging back to the violence and crime angle. If what's displayed is two people enjoying being with each other, what is wrong with that in any society?

"Pure pornography" doesn't exist. It's your own little semantic wet dream. In any form of communication there is always a message that is inherent in the message itself, given by the outside context or a combination of both. When the context changes, for example when society evolves, the same message can mean other things that what was intended at first. Sade is a great example: condemned as immoral scum by even the most liberal representatives of the Enlightenment, he was then seen simply as a curious pathological case and then recently as a literary genius. Still, his books and their contents haven't changed in 200 years.

You seem to dislike sex because it's a primal' urge and therefore wrong... so, we shouldn't eat then? Or at least not enjoy eating? We shouldn't have sex at all then?
To try and suggest that a civil society has no enjoyment for the sake of enjoyment is missing the point of life.

I would suggest you acquaint yourself with the philosophy of Epicurus. Of course his views are dated now, but you could certainly use a confrontation with a well thought out viewpoint on pleasure and enjoyment that doesn't involve giving way to every desire that comes across your primitive mind.

If you start from the point of view that THERE IS NOTHING wrong with sex, then as long as all people involved in the creation of porn are happy and healthy and enjoying themselves, then THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH PORN.

Ok then, if I start from the view that THERE IS NOTHING wrong with lying (a natural action for all of us), then as long as all people involved in the creation of propaganda are happy and healthy and enjoying themselves, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH PROPAGANDA? (and here I use propaganda in its pejorative sense, obviously) Your logic is spotless, but your premises are false.

It's just sad that there is a lot of mistreatment in the industry, but that doesn't mean the entire genre is wrong, just many of the people producing it.

The misapplying of an idea or concept by some individuals does not in anyway guarantee the correctness of that idea or concept. I do not see how you could present this blanket statement as an argument. The following is also not an argument concerning pornography by the way: "It's just fun that there is a lot of happiness in the industry, but that doesn't mean the entire genre is right, just many of the people producing it." You just threw something about pornography in the middle of something irrelevant about mistreatment in pornography. In other words, you've put a red herring in your straw man. Again, you're not fooling anyone.

>> ^Bidouleroux:
However it doesn't mean that pornography, which caters to our sexual urges, is not degrading and objectifying women (here pornography should be taken to mean something along the lines of "the pornographic industry, including the viewers and the profit makers"). Pornography is something that ultimately should not exist in a civilized society, like violence and crime. No one would say violence and crime are needed in a society so that we may quench those violent and criminal urges we have, although most of us are indeed sometimes violent and criminally inclined. We are after all animals, programmed to survive and replicate (be violent and fuck, basically). But staying at the level of animals because it is pleasurable is ridiculous. If everyone thought like that, we'd still be living in trees.


But, see, you're taking the stance that images or movies of people having sex is inherently wrong. WHY?

Come on, if all the parties in the photos/videos are happy doing so, and no-one is hurt, no-one is treated badly, why is it wrong? Trying to build the fallacious argument that adult entertainment = violence and crime is ludicrous.

Violence and crime are doing bad things to other people, pure pornography, just showing people having sex is not. It CAN be if the acts depicted are violent or degrading, but that's swinging back to the violence and crime angle. If what's displayed is two people enjoying being with each other, what is wrong with that in any society?

You seem to dislike sex because it's a primal' urge and therefore wrong... so, we shouldn't eat then? Or at least not enjoy eating? We shouldn't have sex at all then?

To try and suggest that a civil society has no enjoyment for the sake of enjoyment is missing the point of life.

If you start from the point of view that THERE IS NOTHING wrong with sex, then as long as all people involved in the creation of porn are happy and healthy and enjoying themselves, then THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH PORN.

It's just sad that there is a lot of mistreatment in the industry, but that doesn't mean the entire genre is wrong, just many of the people producing it.

His views are seriously, seriously narrowly defined and would seem to paint anything erotic with the brush of 'degradation'.

Now, there certainly IS degradation in some pornography, and I've seen a disturbing trend in porn to go down this route which is quite sickening. BUT. images and video of people having sex does not immediately have to equal degradation to women. Look around and you can find 'porn' that is artful, shows the women being treated well, shows the women being pleasured over the men, and is all round just great material to be aroused by, especially with a partner.

Yes there is a lot of bad porn and porn that treats women as objects and degrades them, but let's not say ALL adult entertainment is EVIL and degrading and liken it to child abuse, that's just a horrendously simple and closed minded view.

Imagine the applications for the adult entertainment industry. Up, down, up, down.. left, right, left, right..... empty cup, full cup.. empty cup... err..

direct manipulation is a terrible idea... =P