When Porn actress Belladonna meets a Spanish painter.

" What I realized over the years is that when I'm on camera and I'm going to have sex all these ideas of what's right and wrong in society they go away "

BELLADONNA is an American porn actress.

" Why my painting are shocking ? They are just relax people...naked people, they are showing their vaginas. But what is a vagina, man ?... It's the most important tool in life "

ALBERTO MIELGO is a Spanish painter.

This short documentary follows two different artistic world for an unexpected combination.
bookfacesays...

Really like the new haircut on Belladonna. I never imagined what she would look like with a shaved head but it looks great. I can't say I'd heard of Albeto Mielgo before now but kudos to him for taking on this subject.

quantumushroomsays...

What I realized over the years is that when I'm on camera and I'm going to have sex all these ideas of what's right and wrong in society they go away

The problem is "right and wrong" doesn't return after the camera stops, either.

quantumushroomsays...

Disclaimer: I like pr0n as much as the next dude and think hooking should be legal.

However, I hate the fascist dehumanizing element which seems to have become the standard, and hate even more the mainstreaming and glamorization of the pr0n "lifestyle" as legitimate theater.

Pr0n has its place, but if it's such a life-affirming industry then the "stars" wouldn't be drugging and drinking--and occasionally diseasing--themselves to death.

Pr0n is a useful poison; far less useful than other poisons. As for the rest of these clever comments, open mic night is on Thursday(s).



>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^quantumushroom:
The problem is "right and wrong" doesn't return after the camera stops, either.

You got an example of how Belladonna's wronged the world?

xxovercastxxsays...

>> ^quantumushroom:

Disclaimer: I like pr0n as much as the next dude and think hooking should be legal.
However, I hate the fascist dehumanizing element which seems to have become the standard, and hate even more the mainstreaming and glamorization of the pr0n "lifestyle" as legitimate theater.
Pr0n has its place, but if it's such a life-affirming industry then the "stars" wouldn't be drugging and drinking--and occasionally diseasing--themselves to death.
Pr0n is a useful poison; far less useful than other poisons. As for the rest of these clever comments, open mic night is on Thursday(s).

>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^quantumushroom:
The problem is "right and wrong" doesn't return after the camera stops, either.

You got an example of how Belladonna's wronged the world?



So, no?

Pantalonessays...

Because other theater and screen stars wouldn't take drugs, drink, or spread disease. You wanna rail against immorality, then do it without cherry-picking an industry. Or, if you really want to make a point, why not point out the "fascist dehumanizing element" of this video?
>> ^quantumushroom:

Disclaimer: I like pr0n as much as the next dude and think hooking should be legal.
However, I hate the fascist dehumanizing element which seems to have become the standard, and hate even more the mainstreaming and glamorization of the pr0n "lifestyle" as legitimate theater.
Pr0n has its place, but if it's such a life-affirming industry then the "stars" wouldn't be drugging and drinking--and occasionally diseasing--themselves to death.
Pr0n is a useful poison; far less useful than other poisons. As for the rest of these clever comments, open mic night is on Thursday(s).

speechlesssays...

>> ^Enzoblue:

Gotta agree with QM here. No way you can tell me she'll show her daughter a video and still be proud of her work. No freakin way. That alone makes it wrong imo.


I wouldn't want to show my daughter a video of the act that resulted in her conception. By your logic, that means the sexual act which brought her life into the world is also wrong and shameful.

Lawdeedawsays...

From a philosophical point of view the answer was "yes" and is for me very easy to understand. I am not saying I agree with QM here, but he did state a reason, whether or not you or I understand it (I do, in this particular case.)

I.e., women in some porn are slapped like animals, spit on, pissed on, shoved with baseball bats and worse. Sick people watch this. Is it voluntary? To those who can afford not to, sure, but just like the army there are those who cannot afford to.

Another way of putting it is thus. Without these women who are degraded and create the expectation that degrading women is fine, then there wouldn't be such. So in essence, propagating this treatment of subhuman standards is the fault of women like Bella.

I.e., again, if there weren't Soldiers willing to fight unjust wars like Iraq, then there would be no unjust wars like Iraq (And yes, that is a fucking good comparison.)

As I said before, you can't argue with me because this isn't my position--so try not to refute it through me plz.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Disclaimer: I like pr0n as much as the next dude and think hooking should be legal.
However, I hate the fascist dehumanizing element which seems to have become the standard, and hate even more the mainstreaming and glamorization of the pr0n "lifestyle" as legitimate theater.
Pr0n has its place, but if it's such a life-affirming industry then the "stars" wouldn't be drugging and drinking--and occasionally diseasing--themselves to death.
Pr0n is a useful poison; far less useful than other poisons. As for the rest of these clever comments, open mic night is on Thursday(s).

>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^quantumushroom:
The problem is "right and wrong" doesn't return after the camera stops, either.

You got an example of how Belladonna's wronged the world?


So, no?

Quboidsays...

>> ^quantumushroom:

Disclaimer: I like pr0n as much as the next dude and think hooking should be legal.
However, I hate the fascist dehumanizing element which seems to have become the standard, and hate even more the mainstreaming and glamorization of the pr0n "lifestyle" as legitimate theater.
Pr0n has its place, but if it's such a life-affirming industry then the "stars" wouldn't be drugging and drinking--and occasionally diseasing--themselves to death.
Pr0n is a useful poison; far less useful than other poisons. As for the rest of these clever comments, open mic night is on Thursday(s).

>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^quantumushroom:
The problem is "right and wrong" doesn't return after the camera stops, either.

You got an example of how Belladonna's wronged the world?



I actually agree with your general point, that porn actors are increasing being held up as some sort of role models for a glamorous, exciting life for people who want to get a kick out of breaking a fading taboo. However, pointing to porn is a generalisation, plenty of other entertainers are just as bad and there are those in porn who are fine, and the question was about Belladonna specifically, whose life we know nothing about (if I may presume!). Porn actors are probably statistically among the worst in terms of drug abuse and mental health, but I don't think individuals should tarred with this brush.

I am guessing the health/drugs stat, I think that's a fair assumption. Also, I assume you originally meant "right and wrong doesn't return" to be what's right and wrong for her (e.g. potential drug abuse), rather than how she'd wronged the world.

spoco2says...

Wow... I... um... am going to agree with @quantumushroom, that's pretty amazing.

Sex is not wrong in any way, filming or photographing it is not wrong. What mainstream porn has become IS FUCKING wrong. It's absolutely disgusting what passes for adult entertainment now. QM says it's dehumanizing, and he's fucking right. Porn has become a competition about how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take.

It's fucking horrible and disgusting. I hate it. My wife and I used to watch porn together sometimes, but then she went through a point of just not being able to link having a daughter and what happens to the women in porn videos.

And as much as I would like to say 'Yeah, but it's not all like that, there is caring, sweet porn. There is female centric porn, there is porn that is hot and heavy but still respects the woman.' But you know what? There's fuck all. There really isn't. Everything is all now gagging the woman with a cock, pulling her mouth open with fingers, getting the women to spit into each other's mouths, cock slapping, hard ramming... and on and on and on... It's horrible. It's NOT what sex is, it's NOT how you have a wonderful time with a woman.

And yet it creates a generation of men who think that's how you treat women.

The fact that this site should even have a reason to exist is horrible. Horrible.


And sure, she's saying that her videos are about sexual expression for her, but you hear that all the time from women while they're still making films. Because men want to imagine that the woman they're watching fuck while they jerk off is actually really enjoying puking because a dick was pushed too far down her throat.

But you know what? They pretty much all say the opposite once they're not making money from it any more.

So, yeah, nothing wrong with painting naked women, nothing wrong with painting naked women who act in porn movies... but porn movies aren't as harmless as people make out.

dagsays...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

Well said and I agree. >> ^spoco2:

Wow... I... um... am going to agree with @quantumushroom, that's pretty amazing.
Sex is not wrong in any way, filming or photographing it is not wrong. What mainstream porn has become IS FUCKING wrong. It's absolutely disgusting what passes for adult entertainment now. QM says it's dehumanizing, and he's fucking right. Porn has become a competition about how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take.
It's fucking horrible and disgusting. I hate it. My wife and I used to watch porn together sometimes, but then she went through a point of just not being able to link having a daughter and what happens to the women in porn videos.
And as much as I would like to say 'Yeah, but it's not all like that, there is caring, sweet porn. There is female centric porn, there is porn that is hot and heavy but still respects the woman.' But you know what? There's fuck all. There really isn't. Everything is all now gagging the woman with a cock, pulling her mouth open with fingers, getting the women to spit into each other's mouths, cock slapping, hard ramming... and on and on and on... It's horrible. It's NOT what sex is, it's NOT how you have a wonderful time with a woman.
And yet it creates a generation of men who think that's how you treat women.
The fact that this site should even have a reason to exist is horrible. Horrible.

And sure, she's saying that her videos are about sexual expression for her, but you hear that all the time from women while they're still making films. Because men want to imagine that the woman they're watching fuck while they jerk off is actually really enjoying puking because a dick was pushed too far down her throat.
But you know what? They pretty much all say the opposite once they're not making money from it any more.
So, yeah, nothing wrong with painting naked women, nothing wrong with painting naked women who act in porn movies... but porn movies aren't as harmless as people make out.

vaire2ubesays...

there are lots of orientations/fetishes/fantasies, other than just straight sex with a white woman ... the obsession over this facet of the industry is more telling about the people objecting than anything else... consenting adults can do what they want to each other and I will indeed pay to watch it.


So what about gay porn? anyone? no problems there eh.. (besides the fact that they are gay, ewwww right? durrrr)

extreme sexual exhibition is for some people. you dont have to be one. don't try and control what people do.

xxovercastxxsays...

>> ^spoco2:

Wow... I... um... am going to agree with @quantumushroom, that's pretty amazing.
Sex is not wrong in any way, filming or photographing it is not wrong. What mainstream porn has become IS FUCKING wrong. It's absolutely disgusting what passes for adult entertainment now. QM says it's dehumanizing, and he's fucking right. Porn has become a competition about how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take.
It's fucking horrible and disgusting. I hate it. My wife and I used to watch porn together sometimes, but then she went through a point of just not being able to link having a daughter and what happens to the women in porn videos.
And as much as I would like to say 'Yeah, but it's not all like that, there is caring, sweet porn. There is female centric porn, there is porn that is hot and heavy but still respects the woman.' But you know what? There's fuck all. There really isn't. Everything is all now gagging the woman with a cock, pulling her mouth open with fingers, getting the women to spit into each other's mouths, cock slapping, hard ramming... and on and on and on... It's horrible. It's NOT what sex is, it's NOT how you have a wonderful time with a woman.
And yet it creates a generation of men who think that's how you treat women.
The fact that this site should even have a reason to exist is horrible. Horrible.

And sure, she's saying that her videos are about sexual expression for her, but you hear that all the time from women while they're still making films. Because men want to imagine that the woman they're watching fuck while they jerk off is actually really enjoying puking because a dick was pushed too far down her throat.
But you know what? They pretty much all say the opposite once they're not making money from it any more.
So, yeah, nothing wrong with painting naked women, nothing wrong with painting naked women who act in porn movies... but porn movies aren't as harmless as people make out.


I agree with this almost entirely. I don't see why Belladonna should take the blame for it, though. QM said that she, specifically, doesn't know right from wrong and that's what I asked about.

With another sentence or two he could have closed the loop and tied it together. But I'm filling in the blanks when I imagine what those sentences might be, as is @Lawdeedaw, and we could be totally off base with our guesses.

Enzobluesays...

>> ^speechless:

>> ^Enzoblue:
Gotta agree with QM here. No way you can tell me she'll show her daughter a video and still be proud of her work. No freakin way. That alone makes it wrong imo.

I wouldn't want to show my daughter a video of the act that resulted in her conception. By your logic, that means the sexual act which brought her life into the world is also wrong and shameful.


No, the fact that you videotaped it is.

quantumushroomsays...

I don't see why Belladonna should take the blame for it, though. QM said that she, specifically, doesn't know right from wrong and that's what I asked about.

Not singling her out, she's just the subject at hand. It's absurd for someone with a 'morality' only functional to the extent society is dysfunctional to believe there's a time or place they're living normally, like a fish swimming to where the water is less wet.

And can we all agree no one would give a sh1t what she thinks about anything if she were ugly?



>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^spoco2:
Wow... I... um... am going to agree with @quantumushroom, that's pretty amazing.

spoco2says...

>> ^vaire2ube:

there are lots of orientations/fetishes/fantasies, other than just straight sex with a white woman ... the obsession over this facet of the industry is more telling about the people objecting than anything else... consenting adults can do what they want to each other and I will indeed pay to watch it.

So what about gay porn? anyone? no problems there eh.. (besides the fact that they are gay, ewwww right? durrrr)
extreme sexual exhibition is for some people. you dont have to be one. don't try and control what people do.


Ah. See, that's where there's the problem. Yes, there are those that are into the powerplay/domination thing, and that's fine.

BUT

The ENTIRE mainstream porn industry ONLY shows this now. It's not an extreme, niche market, they've made it be the norm. It's the norm to push a woman's face onto the bed forcefully while you have sex with her. The norm to call her a slut and a whore. The norm that women like rough anal sex. They've made it the norm. It's not, shouldn't be, and is horrendously demeaning to women.

And what's your point about gay porn? I haven't watched it, but if they're not treating each other like absolute objects and treating them like shit while having sex, then what's the problem. (I don't know as I haven't seen it, so I don't know if the gay scene has gone that way too, I would suggest not, because men probably don't have this sick domination thing over other men).

longdesays...

What you guys say is the norm in porn is more a function of what websites you visit than what's really the norm in porn.

How much porn do you watch that you could even make an assertion about what dominates?

There is plenty of porn not like what you all just described (how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take; push a woman's face onto the bed forcefully while you have sex with her. The norm to call her a slut and a whore. The norm that women like rough anal sex).

Sounds like you guys are into rape porn.

Lawdeedawsays...

>> ^longde:

What you guys say is the norm in porn is more a function of what websites you visit than what's really the norm in porn. How muck porn do you watch that you could even make an assertion about what dominates? There is plenty of porn not like what you all just described (how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take; push a woman's face onto the bed forcefully while you have sex with her. The norm to call her a slut and a whore. The norm that women like rough anal sex).
Sounds like you guys are into rape porn.


I watch Xart videos but they are few and far between.

spoco2says...

>> ^longde:

What you guys say is the norm in porn is more a function of what websites you visit than what's really the norm in porn.
How much porn do you watch that you could even make an assertion about what dominates?
There is plenty of porn not like what you all just described (how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take; push a woman's face onto the bed forcefully while you have sex with her. The norm to call her a slut and a whore. The norm that women like rough anal sex).
Sounds like you guys are into rape porn.


Bullshit.

Go and watch the top porn films, the big budget ones, (like Pirates, or the parodies), the most popular ones, and they all exhibit those things. Those are the ones that are aimed at large audience, couples, as many people as possible, and they have that sort of shit in them.

I know there is some respectful porn out there, but it is so far in the minority now it's not funny. IT should be the mainstream. The mainstream should be stuff that couples can watch together and get turned on but not feel disgusting about afterwards. That you can watch and truly think that the women depicted are enjoying themselves, rather than submitting to brutalisation.

gwiz665says...

Eh. By its very nature the porn industry attracts people with "bad" tendencies, because they can't live them out in real life. To say that all porn is degrading, dehumanizing etc. is nearsighted.

I don't particularly enjoy any degrading porn, it just makes me cringe, but since there's a market for it, there it is. Porn is not sex, it's fantasy. Young people who see it may think differently, but that's not the porn makers responsibility, that's parents and the society surrounding them.

This all sounds like "I don't like the mainstream, the mainstream should be more like what I like!!" which is just childish. Porn hipster. Hah.

Here you go, you softies http://www.reddit.com/r/passionx

>> ^spoco2:

Wow... I... um... am going to agree with @quantumushroom, that's pretty amazing.
Sex is not wrong in any way, filming or photographing it is not wrong. What mainstream porn has become IS FUCKING wrong. It's absolutely disgusting what passes for adult entertainment now. QM says it's dehumanizing, and he's fucking right. Porn has become a competition about how much can we treat a woman like a fuck toy, like an object, how much punishment will she take.
It's fucking horrible and disgusting. I hate it. My wife and I used to watch porn together sometimes, but then she went through a point of just not being able to link having a daughter and what happens to the women in porn videos.
And as much as I would like to say 'Yeah, but it's not all like that, there is caring, sweet porn. There is female centric porn, there is porn that is hot and heavy but still respects the woman.' But you know what? There's fuck all. There really isn't. Everything is all now gagging the woman with a cock, pulling her mouth open with fingers, getting the women to spit into each other's mouths, cock slapping, hard ramming... and on and on and on... It's horrible. It's NOT what sex is, it's NOT how you have a wonderful time with a woman.
And yet it creates a generation of men who think that's how you treat women.
The fact that this site should even have a reason to exist is horrible. Horrible.

And sure, she's saying that her videos are about sexual expression for her, but you hear that all the time from women while they're still making films. Because men want to imagine that the woman they're watching fuck while they jerk off is actually really enjoying puking because a dick was pushed too far down her throat.
But you know what? They pretty much all say the opposite once they're not making money from it any more.
So, yeah, nothing wrong with painting naked women, nothing wrong with painting naked women who act in porn movies... but porn movies aren't as harmless as people make out.

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