Really? Is that your come back?

But of course it is...what else could it be.

It couldn't be that states like :

Georgia http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/georgia-abortion-clinics-follow-law-fetal-remains-/nnJSk/

Indiana http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/indiana-closes-investigation-into-planned-parenthood/34439976

Massachusetts http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/07/29/healey-mass-planned-parenthood-fully-compliant-with-law/Fc6pYYrY1ONGQvRTEqkWHK/story.html

South Dakota http://www.kdlt.com/news/local-news/Health-Department-No-Evidence-Of-Fetal-Tissue-Sale-In-State/34668964

...just couldn't find anything

Your willingness to grab on to anything , no matter how full of shit it might be, in the attempt to validate your beliefs makes others not listen to anything you say as you cant be trusted to be honest or maybe you're truly delusional. Either way i fear your opinions will never get much traction up in here.

...Or could it be me dunh, dunh, duh!!

The sacredness of life is subjective, which makes it a useless measure.

A Palestinian mother thinks her son's life is priceless, an Israeli mortar team don't even consider it. An American husband thinks his wife's life is sacred, the terrorist that blows up the plane she is on does not.

Think about the dispassionate way we regard yearly statistics on road fatalities or death due to chronic disease. Do we weep our hearts out for every one of those deaths? Of course not, those lives have no worth to us beyond the abstract "fellow human being". They don't really bother us emotionally because we have almost no care for them.

If life is only subjectively sacred, then it's not really sacred at all...

The people that picket abortion clinics are the same ones that vote down social support mechanisms to promote and enhance people's lives. Life is so sacred that they oppose things that would make the live far more worthwhile living...

I'd say "ironic" but it's not surprising in the least.

No, they aren't the best argument, but were one someone else brought up as outliers in Christianity, which they are not, they are simply vocal about their beliefs in inappropriate places and times...their beliefs are (in large part, but with exceptions) mainstream.
I think fewer 'Christians' are accepting those with a 'gay lifestyle' than you believe, they are simply realizing that publicly spouting their hate speech doesn't get them far anymore. They still believe we're all going to hell for not believing as they do...or that we're all demons trying to trick them into hell.
Granted anti abortionists are a better example, and are still main stream Christians. Militant 'born agains' (usually the bombers at the abortion clinic) are a better example, as they're a violent sect of Christianity that paints the whole religion with their zealous insanity....and one that has tried time and time again to make their ridiculous beliefs into law for all.

Was gonna come on to say exactly that.

It's too bad that having an actual debate on abortion is nearly impossible.

People that believe life begins at conception are morally opposed to abortion as based on that belief abortion is taking a human life and only tolerable or forgivable if done to save another life.

People who do not believe life begins at conception are morally opposed to dictating what a pregnant human can and can not do with their body, again based on that belief.

The debate IMHO must, absolutely must, be around when life begins but nobody wants to talk about that. People want to decry the baby killers and the woman hating religious bigots.

Meanwhile, that digging in of everyone's heals leads to abortion clinics being bombed to save the children, and people lobbying for abortions to be legal up until the day before the child would be born(current Canadian law I'll add). I'd dare say neither extreme is supported by the majority, but people's biases on the subject don't seem to allow enough compromise to condemn the extreme ends of there own 'side'.

Conservative women lack empathy as much as conservative men.

I read a report from a person who worked in an abortion clinic. The same people were parked in front of the clinic week after week. One woman in particular was vicious to women who came for services.

The worker was surprised when the woman showed up for an abortion. Upset and needing it desperately. Stayed professional, did the service.

Two weeks later, this same woman was out front, yelling just as loud as before.

The disconnect to reality is strong with some of these people. It's a baby being murdered, until you need the service for yourself.

and cinema, and college, and congresswoman, and immigration centre, and ex-workplaces, and mosque, and abortion clinic, and Luby's cafeteria, and military base, and....

Bam!

I saw some comedy skit (SNL?) where they said if men fell pregnant there'd be an abortion clinic on every street corner and two in every airport. We'd never be even having this discussion over the right to choose.

Truth.

That was quite good and I agree with nearly all of it, except the idea that Fred Phelps and his family are the worst America has to offer. While they are loathsome; they only hurt people's feelings. That doesn't begin to compare to Christian hate groups and militias who bomb abortion clinics or attack minorities. I wish we could claim not to have home-grown scary religious extremists, but that's not the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#United_States

OH dear. Cenk, sweetie, you LITERALLY put words into his mouth and then argued with him.

I can come up with another ending to the aborted (ha!) sentence -- "Fortunately I didn't have to.... shun my relative. Live with the knowledge that an abortion happened in my family. Disinherit my relative. Get the rest of the family to shun that relative. Or... DRIVE HER TO THE ABORTION CLINIC????

Cenk, bad job. Bad job. I know you are a pundit, and the first half of this is better than average for you. Just... bad ending. Intellectually dishonest. And wrong.

I mean really. What if he was willing to drive her to the abortion clinic? Lots of pro-lifers have had abortions, you know.

You just described one of the biggest problems with religion in general. You ask a 1000 people who claim to be Christian to describe god and what they feel god is about and what god stands for and how you live a christian life and you'll get a 1000 different answers and 1000 different definitions of god and I'm sure many of them will conflict. And every one of them will believe their way is right and any other way is wrong.

Everyone..from the abortion clinic bombers and hard core evangelists and fundies to the most moderate liberal believer...they all get to claim a shared belief for some reason..they all get used as a demographic to intimidate people into believing that their beliefs are the majority when in reality it's a lot more fractured. There are no true believers, because no one can definitively prove that there is one true way.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^RadHazG:
Yes but Santorum equating being gay to bestiality isn't a similar treatment? Spare us your ignorant ranting you two, the Catholic church has done nearly to the same thing to those it opposes over the years. Have some of your own medicine for a change.

I don't like this whole "The Catholic Church" distinction. To me it's like when people blame America when they're really talking about just the government. The Catholic Church is a misnomer in my opinion that doesn't represent the majority of Catholics let alone it's churches and their individual leaderships.

Live Action public relations:
"AUSTIN, May 29 -- Today, Live Action released a new undercover video showing a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic in Austin, TX encouraging a woman to obtain a late-term abortion because she was purportedly carrying a girl and wanted to have a boy. The video is first in a new series titled "Gendercide: Sex-Selection in America," exposing the practice of sex-selective abortion in the United States and how Planned Parenthood and the rest of the abortion industry facilitate the selective elimination of baby girls in the womb.

"I see that you're saying that you want to terminate if it's a girl, so are you just wanting to continue the pregnancy in the meantime?" a counselor named "Rebecca" offers the woman, who is purportedly still in her first trimester and cannot be certain about the gender. "The abortion covers you up until 23 weeks," explains Rebecca, "and usually at 5 months is usually (sic) when they detect, you know, whether or not it's a boy or a girl." Doctors agree that the later in term a doctor performs an abortion, the greater the risk of complications.

The Planned Parenthood staffer suggests that the woman get on Medicaid in order to pay for an ultrasound to determine the gender of her baby, even though she plans to use the knowledge for an elective abortion. She also tells the woman to "just continue and try again" for the desired gender after aborting a girl, and adds, "Good luck, and I hope that you do get your boy."

"The search-and-destroy targeting of baby girls through prenatal testing and abortion is a pandemic that is spreading across the globe," notes Lila Rose, founder and president of Live Action. "Research proves that sex-selective abortion has now come to America. The abortion industry, led by Planned Parenthood, is a willing participant."

Six studies in the past four years indicate that there are thousands of "missing girls" in the U.S., many from sex-selective abortion. The U.K., India, Australia, and other countries ban sex-selective abortion, but the U.S., save for three states, does not. On Wednesday, Congress will debate the Prenatal Non-Discrimination Act (PRENDA), which would ban sex-selective abortions nationally.

"Planned Parenthood and their ruthless abortion-first mentality is the real 'war on women'," says Rose. "Sex-selective abortion is gender discrimination with lethal consequences for little girls."

The complete, unedited video and transcript can be viewed at www.ProtectOurGirls.com, a hub of research and information on sex-selective abortions.

Live Action is a youth led movement dedicated to building a culture of life and ending the human rights abuse of abortion. They use new media to educate the public about the humanity of the unborn and investigative journalism to expose threats against the vulnerable and defenseless.

For further information, please contact Dan Wilson or Jameson Cunningham with Shirley & Banister Public Affairs at (703) 739-5920 or (800) 536-5920 and email at media@liveaction.org"

saying you're Christian really is a nothing statement anymore.

It means absolutely dick. Because you can be the moderate Christian who doesn't suspend rational thought when it comes to matters of reality, yet still has faith...

...or you can be the abortion clinic-bombing fanatical fundamentalist.

...and everyone in between also gets to call themselves Christian. Every single one of them has a different sense of ethics and morality.

People like to say they're a christian as if it means something or it's the finish to an argument. When everyone from the most extreme to the most casual use it as an appeal to authority..it becomes meaningless.

Well, uh...women start as babies, don't they?

we already seem to have a war on women...women babies, who are killed by the score every day.

So closing an abortion clinic will save a lot of women, all of whom start as babies.

Or do you have a different logic?

Since the personhood initiative was overwhelmingly struck down by the people here last year, they found a way and passed a bill a few days ago that will close down the only abortion clinic in the state if the governor signs it into law. That's the way to win over voters! The governor had the balls to go on the news and say that the bill was designed to save women's lives.