I'm sorry, man...I just don't get what you're trying to say. It looks like you're trying to shoe-horn an agenda — albeit an honorable one — on a video about poor sportsmanship.

Maybe we should be made more aware of the reality of kids' concussions. I would have to do more research though because that NPR article has NO information as to where the "estimated" number comes from. I hate to be that guy, but honestly, that guy is why we know that the earth is a sphere and it travels around the sun...you can't just believe everything you read.

Assuming that it's close to correct...or even if the actual number is 25% of all pre-college football players have experienced concussions, then I would agree that something should be done to fix it. But, like I said, this isn't a video about kids getting concussions, nor is it a video about bounty-gate. The fact of the matter is that those things are bad — hence why people have been fired/suspended. Despite the physical nature of the sport, the intent to maliciously hurt somebody is frowned-upon by a majority of the NFL. There is a big difference between seeing a good solid hit between the numbers, wrapping up the player, and taking him to the ground, and taking out his knee cap. I don't see what's hard to understand about that.

>> ^JiggaJonson:

@rottenseed
You're inventing a narrative of what I've said that isn't consistent with reality.
I never said I didn't like football.
I never said I no one should play it.
I never said everyone had to adopt my point of view.
I never said kids are playing football against their will.
I did say that the certainty of concussions is reason enough not to play.
I did cite statistics about concussions that happen to adolescents PRE-college
"of the nearly 5 million adolescents playing football below the college level, it's estimated that half have sustained concussions, a third of them on multiple occasions"
From: http://www.npr.org/2012/05/09/152250525/mind-games-football-and-h
ead-injuries
Stop being a pussy and let that virulent feeling of bloodlust wash over you when those players go down. As you said, they're paid as much as they are because they know the risks involved. If that's the case, this should be celebrated as part of the game, no?
I'm arguing for safety, but I'm a pussy. And you're arguing for the game, but dont want players to get hurt. I'm sure the Saints bounty scandal was limited to that team and nothing like that happens anywhere else. Oh wait... http://www.myfoxny.com/story/19667323/calif-kids-footbal
l-team-hit-with-bounty-scandal
Cheer for the injuries that are part of this culture or call for better safety, I say.

So? Climbing trees is the result of broken arms and legs...what the fuck do you want? Stop pussifying this country. Very rarely are kids playing football against their will. Especially at the level where concussions are happening (high school and up). Stop trying to force the world to adopt your views on everything. You don't like football so NOBODY SHOULD PLAY IT? What the fuck kind of view is that? You might as well be a Christian telling me that we should be teaching creationism in school. Different points, same obnoxious tenacity and narrow point of view.>> ^JiggaJonson:

@rottenseed
I stand by my original comment, and the risk is more than likely, it's a near certainty. You're supporting a game that is the sole cause of roughly 2.5 million concussions diagnosed in adolescents each year. Roughly 1.5 million of those kids will sustain multiple concussions.
There's also Kurt Warner's telling NBC that his son's playing football is a thought that "scares [him]" But hey, I guess you'd probably expect that from someone who feels as though "Playing through concussions is part of the game."
I feel like a decent human being would try to stop them from putting themselves in harms way, not hoping they don't get hurt when they play with fire.
From my point of view, you're the one cheering on the cock-fight. I'm just happy to see one of them go down because it refocuses the issue of the dangers in the sport for meatheads like our video's Eric Winston. Sure, he cares now, but I can just as easily see him saying "One more play! You gotta play through head injuries like that!" ala Kurt Warner's insider info on the culture of the game.
That said, I doubt the crowd was thinking this far into it. They were probably just bloodthirsty.
Finally, Quote where I imply that risk = celebrating human suffering, from my comments.

>> ^bmacs27:

@JiggaJonson, you still haven't gotten why they were cheering losing their own quarterback. It had nothing to do with cheering a hit. It had to do with being happy their shitty QB wouldn't be starting anymore. It's not bloodthirstiness. It's a roster issue.
@Yogi, people die from playing all sports every year. That's my point. Soccer is often considered the worst for concussions (as repeated low level concussions are more problematic than single big ones given time to heal) and cardiac arrest concerns (talk about over exertion) and basketball is often considered the worst for overall injuries (e.g. joints). I don't think football is unique in this regard, and at least they are trying to make rule changes to do something about it. If you want to stop concussions, don't allow headers in soccer, or make them all wear helmets and padding. Go ahead and see how that flies with their fans.
Finally, why is this guy wrong to criticize fans for cheering an injured human being? Because of your stereotyping of football fans? That's a specious argument to say the least.


He's wrong because they're the customer. If he doesn't like the customers demands he should pack it in. The point is he's saying this isn't the Roman Colosseum when it clearly is, because the fans decide what they cheer and they've been cheering big injuries for awhile now. They're the blood thirsty mob, if you don't like it than don't participate. I didn't play my senior year of High School Football, largely because I was congratulated by half the defense after injuring the other teams QB so badly he needed to be Airlifted off the field in case of paralyzation. He got up luckily, we got to see a Helicopter land and take off on our field.

High School coaches have always taught kids how to hurt the opponent, you've done a good thing if you put their star player out of the game. This is the sport, this is how it works.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^bmacs27:
@JiggaJonson
Only one player has ever died on field in the NFL. He died of a heart attack. Your story comes from before they wore helmets and American Football was more closely related to rugby.
89 players have died on field during sanctioned FIFA matches.
What was your point?

Kids die every year playing this game...also people die from injuries as a result from playing in the NFL and Football in general. Almost every year in this nation there is a story simply about a kid dying in practice during the summer due to overheating or exhaustion. That's why they forced us to drink TONS of water until our stomachs hurt. But because they don't die ON THE FIELD that is supposed to mean something? Do you think that because tons of people die in the hospital of cancer that hospitals give people cancer?


Yeah, this whole thing is a bunch of bullshit. They're modern gladiators, and people who tell themselves otherwise are lying to themselves.

To read some of the comments though, you'd think I said I laugh when people suffer heart attacks and collapse.
Read my comment below yours when you get a chance. -jj

@rottenseed
I stand by my original comment, and the risk is more than likely, it's a near certainty. You're supporting a game that is the sole cause of roughly 2.5 million concussions diagnosed in adolescents each year. Roughly 1.5 million of those kids will sustain multiple concussions.

There's also Kurt Warner's telling NBC that his son's playing football is a thought that "scares [him]" But hey, I guess you'd probably expect that from someone who feels as though "Playing through concussions is part of the game."

I feel like a decent human being would try to stop them from putting themselves in harms way, not hoping they don't get hurt when they play with fire.

From my point of view, you're the one cheering on the cock-fight. I'm just happy to see one of them go down because it refocuses the issue of the dangers in the sport for meatheads like our video's Eric Winston. Sure, he cares now, but I can just as easily see him saying "One more play! You gotta play through head injuries like that!" ala Kurt Warner's insider info on the culture of the game.

That said, I doubt the crowd was thinking this far into it. They were probably just bloodthirsty.

Finally, Quote where I imply that risk = celebrating human suffering, from my comments.

>> ^bmacs27:

@JiggaJonson
Only one player has ever died on field in the NFL. He died of a heart attack. Your story comes from before they wore helmets and American Football was more closely related to rugby.
89 players have died on field during sanctioned FIFA matches.
What was your point?


Kids die every year playing this game...also people die from injuries as a result from playing in the NFL and Football in general. Almost every year in this nation there is a story simply about a kid dying in practice during the summer due to overheating or exhaustion. That's why they forced us to drink TONS of water until our stomachs hurt. But because they don't die ON THE FIELD that is supposed to mean something? Do you think that because tons of people die in the hospital of cancer that hospitals give people cancer?

>> ^rottenseed:

Nobody is arguing that there is heavy risk involved with the sport. It's why they're paid so much. It's also why you don't see as many football pick-up leagues as you do softball ones — nobody's willing to risk injury if they're not making tons of dough. The argument is sportsmanship. I hate Peyton Manning...especially now that he's on the Broncos, but dammit if I wasn't bummed when he was seriously injured last year. That's what defines me as a human being: the capacity to have compassion when a fellow human being is injured. That's also what makes KC fans a bunch of animals (although I don't count it because mob mentality is a fucked up beast in and of itself). Your argument is void because you're assuming that because a sport includes risk — or even the tendency toward violence — we should cheer on the physical pain and suffering of another human being.>> ^JiggaJonson:
@Sagemind Did you check out the link I posted above?
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1905-11-27/ed-1/seq-
1/
It's a bit ironic that the headline about 19 people dying playing football is right next to a story about 18 people dying when two FUCKING TRAINS COLLIDED.
Like it or not, football was born as a sport where people get seriously injured (or died). Congrats on what you support.



His Argument is not "Void" because of what happened at that game. Que era demonstrata, they cheered for the injury of a fellow human being, this isn't something unique to football either but it is something that humans do. Yes humans have the capacity for for compassion...except for all the fucking times when they don't show any sort of compassion. Putting this solely on KC fans is BS, it happens constantly, even in High School ball.

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Nobody is arguing that there is heavy risk involved with the sport. It's why they're paid so much. It's also why you don't see as many football pick-up leagues as you do softball ones — nobody's willing to risk injury if they're not making tons of dough. The argument is sportsmanship. I hate Peyton Manning...especially now that he's on the Broncos, but dammit if I wasn't bummed when he was seriously injured last year. That's what defines me as a human being: the capacity to have compassion when a fellow human being is injured. That's also what makes KC fans a bunch of animals (although I don't count it because mob mentality is a fucked up beast in and of itself). Your argument is void because you're assuming that because a sport includes risk — or even the tendency toward violence — we should cheer on the physical pain and suffering of another human being.>> ^JiggaJonson:

@Sagemind Did you check out the link I posted above?
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1905-11-27/ed-1/seq-
1/
It's a bit ironic that the headline about 19 people dying playing football is right next to a story about 18 people dying when two FUCKING TRAINS COLLIDED.
Like it or not, football was born as a sport where people get seriously injured (or died). Congrats on what you support.

Serious. That's fucked up. I know individuals are more important than team. Maybe that's the mentality I don't possess which makes it easy to cheer unwaveringly for a particular team rather than people or personal convictions. Maybe that's what I have that the average sports fanatic doesn't.>> ^bmacs27:

Matt Cassel has been a bit of a scapegoat for KC fans. Also, they have an arguably more competent backup in Brady Quinn. That's in some ways the most despicable part. People weren't cheering the hit so much as the personnel ramifications of the hit. That they could let their animosity for their own player get to that point is a bit disturbing. It shows utter detachment from the humanity of the players. I think that's the point Winston is making. >> ^messenger:
Why did KC fans cheer when their own QB went down?

Matt Cassel has been a bit of a scapegoat for KC fans. Also, they have an arguably more competent backup in Brady Quinn. That's in some ways the most despicable part. People weren't cheering the hit so much as the personnel ramifications of the hit. That they could let their animosity for their own player get to that point is a bit disturbing. It shows utter detachment from the humanity of the players. I think that's the point Winston is making. >> ^messenger:

Why did KC fans cheer when their own QB went down?

OH! Now I understand!

Of course, you are exactly correct!

Thanks.


>> ^Yogi:

>> ^bareboards2:
@Yogi, sure.
But what you just said is different than DEFENDING the cheers.
I'll say it again. I grew up in a age when the stadium would go SILENT in the face of human injury.
We are devolving.

The Baying Mob pays his salary, if they wanted to kill him and put his head on a pike out in front of the Stadium I say they have a right to do it. This is America Goddammit! Your life has NO VALUE!!

>> ^snoozedoctor:

Matt Cassel is my neighbor. He is the nicest guy you could meet, humble, dedicated, a family man with a lovely wife and 2 beautiful kids. KC fans are a-holes and I'm glad Winston called them on it.


He's a father and a good person...who must DIE! The Mob Has SPOKEN!!!

Matt Cassel is my neighbor. He is the nicest guy you could meet, humble, dedicated, a family man with a lovely wife and 2 beautiful kids. KC fans are a-holes and I'm glad Winston called them on it.

>> ^bareboards2:

@Yogi, sure.
But what you just said is different than DEFENDING the cheers.
I'll say it again. I grew up in a age when the stadium would go SILENT in the face of human injury.
We are devolving.


The Baying Mob pays his salary, if they wanted to kill him and put his head on a pike out in front of the Stadium I say they have a right to do it. This is America Goddammit! Your life has NO VALUE!!