Yes, excellent stuff.

Robert T Frederick, the first CO of the Devil's Brigade, is my personal hero. Winston Churchill called him "the greatest fighting general of all time" and said "if we had had a dozen more like him we would have smashed Hitler in 1942". His biography, The Last Fighting General is definitely worth a read.

Also quite coincidentally, I found out New Year's Eve that the father of a family friend was in the Devil's Brigade. He hadn't told anyone until shortly before he died... They truly were amazing men.

In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
Complete coincidence, but I just watched "The Devil's Brigade" 3 nights ago. Really great vintage WWII movie, realistic or not.

If you haven't seen it yet I recommend checking it out at your local Bittorrent multiplex.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062886/

In reply to this comment by Skeeve:
Interesting discussion from someone who knows what he's talking about.

I once got to hold one of the V-42 Fighting Knives issued to the 1st Special Service Force. Amazing being able to hold that kind of historical artifact.

Interestingly, some of the soldiers in the 1st SSF ground down the tips so they didn't get stuck in the ribs when they stabbed someone - the needle tip was making it difficult to kill someone and even more difficult to withdraw the knife.

I know SOPA is bad, and I also know that the majority of Congress and the Executive Branch are still run by taxocrats. Pray tell me, how is this atrocious legislation the fault of conservatives?

Don't get me wrong, the right wing has failed...by not being right wingy enough.

>> ^volumptuous:

Waiting for QM and Winston to show up and explain to us how being anti-SOPA is actually being marxist/communist/big gov't

Waiting for QM and Winston to show up and explain to us how being anti-SOPA is actually being marxist/communist/big gov't

The main guy reminded me of the actor Ray winstone.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

I think this looks more like some extreme members of the tea party... Looks more Tea Party to me...
You mean the ONE guy who ONE time expressed his 2nd Amendment rights and legally took a pistol (openly in a holster) to a meeting? As opposed to this...
http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstre
et-the-rap-sheet-so-far/
OWS was (and stil is) far more violent, radical, crazy, and lawless than the Tea Party ever was. Members of OWS are far more likely to engage in violence and subversive actions.


Guy taking a gun to a meeting - it's a right.

People taking to the streets to demonstrate - it's crazy, radical, violent and lawless.

Thanks for clearing that up winston.

Weird i thought tyrellmo was winstonfield before i saw the names, and lo here is winston to back himself up...

I was always under the impression that the Tea Party was a group of individuals who don't know anything about history, don't understand how taxes work or that a society exists specifically to help the people in it, and are utterly terrified of Barack Obama

That impression is a left-wing media construction that you would do well to disabuse yourself of immediately. "The TP is nothing but a bunch of angry, white racists" has been a meme of the left for over 2 years. The facts are diametrically opposed. The TP is composed of all bands of citizens, and thier message is simple. Vote for people - whoever they are - that will reduce government, balance the budget, and return the US to a path of fiscal responsibility. That's it.

Also, winston, i will be very surprised if you have met "most" of the people who agree with Occupy Everywhere. I will be even more surprised to find out that you haven't but you're going around stating that "they are mostly college students who favour leftist causes."

I watch the videos of the US OWS movement across a gamut of places. I've seen them post thier own vids. I've seen the videos that love them such as those on KOS, Underground, Huffington, et al. I've seen ones that makes fun of them on late night TV, daytime talk, and so forth. I've seen others that definitely dislike them such as on Brietbart, Newsbusters, et al. I've seen fawning stuff on national news, and other stuff more even-handed on Drudge. Of course I haven't met 'most' of them. I never claimed to. But I've seen enough of them to accurately get the feel of who they are and what they are. Regardless, see the link above that I already referenced. It simply repeats what I already knew to be the case by my own observations. All I do is repeat the facts. Don't like it? Prove you've got a better source....

Wikipedia...only source I'm going to dignify you with...

Aaaand - an epic fail...

The truth is that OWS is - for the most part - a clot of young, left-wingers. Sure there is a mix of 'other' in there too (as well as a lot of union astroturf, and other political hangers-on) but the backbone of the movement is leftist college kids. You don't have to like it, but that's just how it is. There's nothing 'wrong' with that per se. Not sure why you're so defensive about it. But it is conclusively true that OWS is not composed of a demographic representative of the U.S. public at large.

Also, winston, i will be very surprised if you have met "most" of the people who agree with Occupy Everywhere. I will be even more surprised to find out that you haven't but you're going around stating that "they are mostly college students who favour leftist causes."

Not only is it a guess, but it is an irrelevant point - the group is more likely to be subscribed to by people who have to tolerate all the worst things about the current state of affairs. I mean, i wouldn't be surprised if there were no rich twats there, because they're the ones benefitting from things being how they're being.

Now, "left-wing and leftist generally refer to support for an egalitarian society" - this is straight from wikipedia which is the only source i am going to dignify you with (and it's a fine source for meanings of words anyway). Let me also paste you their definition of egalitarianism;

"Egalitarianism (from French égal, meaning "equal") is a trend of thought that favors equality of some sort among moral agents, whether persons or animals. Emphasis is placed upon the fact that equality contains the idea of equity of quality. That is, all people should be treated with the same dignity or be regarded as possessing the same intrinsic qualities despite our societal diversity of race, religion, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, gender expression, species, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, (dis)ability or cultural heritage."

Are you surprised that the people who are protesting about the current state of politics and the economy are people who want fairness and equality amongst human beings?

Are you telling me you do not? Because if you do, then i could quite easily call you a leftist cause supporter. All you're trying to do is cloud up the issue and try to make Occupy look like something it is not by labelling it with something that looks right but falls down under scrutiny. They are NOT leftist, they are the rational minds of millions of human beings that no longer want to be lied to, and they're working to make a better world for you even while you sit there trying to sabotage them.

Understand this; underneath politics and government, underneath the concept of money, we are all animals fighting for survival. We animals banded together into familiar groups, because we're pack animals, and we called them countries. To make things easier for ourselves, we put rules in place that everyone agreed upon - laws if you like - for the benefit of all of us. We had to entrust some people with the power of governing these things.

At some point, the basic principles of why we have countries and government were lost. Don't try and tell me, or anyone out there sleeping rough outside financial centres worldwide, that this is an unfair assessment.

I've added winston to the conversation now. Let's see if he can say the words.

>> ^shagen454:

I think he hates actual debate even if that debate is a yes or no question. Is he trolling for "balance" or is he for real?
>> ^bareboards2:
@quantumushroom
Straight out, yes or no answer, please.
Is it okay with you if people wrongfully convicted and placed on death row are executed by the state?
This isn't asking for a long essay.
Yes. Or no.
Is it okay with you if people wrongfully convicted and placed on death row are executed by the state?

Yes, I am okay with innocent people being imprisoned. The world isn't perfect. Caca occurs.

I am NOT okay with the state taking an action that is permanent. I am NOT okay with the state executing an innocent person. There is no coming back from that.

So Winston Pennypacker.

I'll ask you, yes or no, since @quantumushroom neglected to answer the question.

Are you okay with an innocent person being executed by the state? It is a yes or no question because guess what, it is fuck all a yes or no question. It is the ultimate in yes or no questions.

If you don't have the balls to answer it, then you should just back out of this conversation.

Say it. Say yes you are okay with an innocent person getting executed. It is a helluva a lot easier to say it is okay than it is ACTUALLY KILL SOMEONE.

Say it. Which you did not in your essay. Say you are okay with an innocent person being killed.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Are you OK with the criminal justice system inprisoning people who are innocent? Yes or no.

Class warfare is what the President is trying to mitigate, and the winning side hates it because they are greedy humans. Shame.

still white there, huh winston... whitey just saying you sound like a white guy. a devil, like me. know that anything you say is evil and will lead to the downfall of all races, son.

fun to blanket generalities see

QM is living in the real world. You got your head stuck in the sand and refuse to see the light.
You don't need to raise taxes, You need to stop spending.
Capitalism it the best. It serves all people equally. ( I'm not talking about sweat shops or other forms of in moral work environments. )

>> ^volumptuous:

Announcement: I'm never again going to rebut any of Blanky or QM's crap anymore. It's just not worth it. Same for Winston P.
You can point out how the sky is in fact blue, and not red, until the cows come home and it will never make one bit of difference. You can show charts, historical data, actual wording of actual policy and suddenly an influx of "But Ron Paul COINS!" and "Kenyan" nonsense comes out like word-vomit out of a firehose with a broken shutoff valve.
So, have fun guys. Your twisted weird versions of reality must be a sincerely sucky, dark and lonely place to live. (pssst: you don't have to live there!)

>> ^volumptuous:

Announcement: I'm never again going to rebut any of Blanky or QM's crap anymore. It's just not worth it. Same for Winston P.
You can point out how the sky is in fact blue, and not red, until the cows come home and it will never make one bit of difference. You can show charts, historical data, actual wording of actual policy and suddenly an influx of "But Ron Paul COINS!" and "Kenyan" nonsense comes out like word-vomit out of a firehose with a broken shutoff valve.
So, have fun guys. Your twisted weird versions of reality must be a sincerely sucky, dark and lonely place to live. (pssst: you don't have to live there!)


Announcement:

>> ^volumptuous:

Announcement: I'm never again going to rebut any of Blanky or QM's crap anymore. It's just not worth it. Same for Winston P.
You can point out how the sky is in fact blue, and not red, until the cows come home and it will never make one bit of difference. You can show charts, historical data, actual wording of actual policy and suddenly an influx of "But Ron Paul COINS!" and "Kenyan" nonsense comes out like word-vomit out of a firehose with a broken shutoff valve.
So, have fun guys. Your twisted weird versions of reality must be a sincerely sucky, dark and lonely place to live. (pssst: you don't have to live there!)


speaking of self satisfied vomit...

Announcement: I'm never again going to rebut any of Blanky or QM's crap anymore. It's just not worth it. Same for Winston P.

You can point out how the sky is in fact blue, and not red, until the cows come home and it will never make one bit of difference. You can show charts, historical data, actual wording of actual policy and suddenly an influx of "But Ron Paul COINS!" and "Kenyan" nonsense comes out like word-vomit out of a firehose with a broken shutoff valve.

So, have fun guys. Your twisted weird versions of reality must be a sincerely sucky, dark and lonely place to live. (pssst: you don't have to live there!)