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newtboy (Member Profile)

Saving Strangers From Scientology

newtboy says...

Scientology now tricks unsuspecting tourists, usually foreigners because they don’t know better, by pretending they’re just offering a free and fun “personality test”, a test that always says you have major problems (problems the church can definitely fix for a fee), but what they’re also doing is fishing for your personal contact info so they can harass you and your family members for life until you join the cult and hand over all your cash.

No religion needs to hide who they are or threaten people to get people involved in the religion, that’s a cult.

Fox Is Right?!?

luxintenebris says...

yeah. fake.

fake like a 10-year-old rape victim.

must be exhausting. trying to shepherd one's own sheep of thoughts from straying into fields of lush reality. like the examples in this video, all those finely financed fabulists frantically deny the undeniable thus cringing from the credible. they hide from honesty like vampires from sunlight. vain vapid vampires.

'fake news' is Scientology's 'S.P.'; Amish's 'English'; JW's 'worldy'...it's an ever closing circle. like a garoutte.

2020 Politics

luxintenebris jokingly says...

"attempted comedy" = gutfeld!

'fake comedy' is one of 33's wonderful yogi berra-style self owns. fabulous trollster.

tho' don't know how repeating factual (or compilation of) quotes is worth repeating for comic effect? too close to actuality to be called parody, satire, or lampooning. it's just a recreation of events. already have enough video documentation to show the insanity of these believers of the non-believable. run those.

'fake news' is the GOP's version of Scientology's SPs. cults can't survive w/o some non-compliance from reality.

nazis looked to gas their victims, Bob's brethren prefer to gas-light theirs.

moonsammy said:

Bob, can you define what you think "fake" means? I could see "attempted comedy" or "unfunny" but... wtf would "fake comedy" be?

Also, what fake news? They literally quoted Trump several times, showed an image of the Ukraine call transcript... what specific thing that was said or shown is "fake"?

Jehovah's Witness Receives Applause For Shunning Sister

luxintenebris jokingly says...

yep. loyalty to a figurehead that cares little about them. they are chattel. to be used, abused, and excommunicated when they gain awareness.

explains why nothing deters don's delusion-aires. it's a cult. could be the cult of personality but that would mean his lack of personality is a type of personality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0

- scientology's 's.p.'s
- amish's 'english'
- don's 't.d.s.' (or whatever duck they pretend it is - like 40 years of documented criminality/crudeness/creepiness is sudden seduction)

since donnie likes using songs, that artist don't want him to use (neil young! for trucking sake!) they might as well use this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04F4xlWSFh0
...it fits* and the artist might ironically approve.

*"...wanted in, now your here...driven by hate, consumed by fear..." while they watch the death total climb (among numerous other psyche violations) "nothing wrong with me".

newtboy said:

Cults are all alike. They all push you to cut ties with anyone who isn't in the cult so they don't hear anyone tell them that 48 year old church elders shouldn't be having sex with ten year olds, or other obvious truisms....just look at Trumpsters.

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Porch Pirate vs. Glitter Bomb Trap 2.0

JiggaJonson says...

I must say, I think impersonating someone online to do them harm is a crime. I know he said "Hypothetically" about the things he was doing, but the man could prove harm via the mail he gets from his neighbors. He could show call logs and mailers from Scientology. It's not much different than how congress got involved with robocalls, people recognize these things as lowering quality of life because of the stress of having to deal with that type of nonsense.

Not to say the man who stole the package is blameless. He should be prosecuted for stealing a device that probably cost over $1,000. But what the glitter-bomb-maker did in retribution is - as he says, petty. I'd go on to say immature and irresponsible.

shinyblurry (Member Profile)

shinyblurry says...

Were you raised in a Christian home? The solution to this problem is that no one is ignorant. That’s what I showed you when I quoted Romans 1:18-21. It teaches that it’s not that you are ignorant of Gods existence, its that you suppress the truth in unrighteousness and thus deceive yourself. You made the comment about the stupidity of the generation of Noahs day rejecting their own mercy, but that is exactly the same thing you are doing by rejecting Jesus Christ.

It’s not about being good enough to come to God. My heart was wretched when God found me but I did respond when He reached out to me. I didn’t respond perfectly but He used it and led me to faith in His Son. If you began to reach out to God He would respond to you in a way you will be able to perceive.

When the bible says God is good, it means He is morally perfect. That is Gods definition of good. No man except one has ever met that definition and therefore is unable to qualify for salvation without an atonement for their sins. The one who met that requirement is the man who never sinned, Jesus Christ.

Well, it’s a fallacy to say that the origin of the message dictates the truth of the message. A good message can be spoken by a bad messenger.

Secondly, it hasn’t been debunked. I know the atheist websites you visit tell you it has been, but it hasn’t. There are good reasons to believe in God that a reasonable person can and should believe .

When I say too difficult, I don’t mean by sheer human effort. Human effort is completely useless in achieving a good result as a Christian. That is why it is found to be too difficult because to come to Christ means taking up your cross and following Him. Yet properly understood it isn’t difficult in the sense that it can’t be done. We can get into a discussion about that in another reply.

You are also using fallacious reasoning to compare Jesus, a historical person, to Xenu, a fever dream of scientology or the flying spaghetti monster. All possibilities are not equal, neither are all Messiahs equally credible. The life of Jesus is a matter of history and not our imaginations. I gave you lines of evidence which you dismiss without even investigating them. Jesus is the prophesied Messiah of the Old Testament. Indeed He is the only possible person who could be the Messiah since He is the only one who fulfilled the 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy which predicted the year of the Messiahs death. Are you interested in talking about that?

When you say you’re a good person, what do you mean by that?

newtboy said:

Hearing the word imparted distrust, not faith. I was raised in the south, I've heard the word plenty, and the more I heard the more questionable it sounded.

MMA fighters get chiropractic adjustment

newtboy says...

OMG...I had no idea.
I went to one for a while, specifically for back pain and nothing else. It didn't even help with that. I had no idea about the other quackery or the pseudo religious nature of the craft.
Reading how they operate, they sound something like Scientology, some guy came up with an insane idea to make money, and convinced a huge group to follow along and defend the insanity zealously, including sueing detractors or investigators for libel.

Just wow.

John Oliver - Mike Pence

bcglorf says...

"A twin study of self-reported psychopathic personality traits"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886902001848

Perhaps the above is more to the point. Similar twin study showing identical twins having similarly significant genetic component to psychopathy as the prior studies show for sexual orientation.

Should we be similarly upset at people assigning morality to psychopathic behaviours?

"Genetic and Environmental Influences on Religious Interests, Attitudes, and Values: A Study of Twins Reared Apart and Together"
http://www.jstor.org/stable/40062599?seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents

Religiosity shows the same thing, strong correlations for identical twins, raised apart from one another, and much weaker correlations for non-identical twins also raised apart.

If Tom Cruise claims his belief in Scientology is a birth right and how dare we judge him, is he really backed by the science?

Where I am coming from, is insisting that for all the factors involved in human decision and behaviours, I still want to conduct ourselves as though free will exists.

More importantly, the freedom to discriminate against people based upon their behaviours must be defended as strongly as the right to discriminate based upon purely in born, unchangeable attributes like race, gender and ethnicity must be opposed.

John Oliver - Mike Pence

bcglorf says...

Glad to hear you stating things as you did, I largely agree with you.

The trick playing out in Canada now is that because we've expanded the definition of protected classes more quickly than the US, the protected classes rights are interfering more and more.

I do not believe that religion should be a protected class in the same way as race, gender or ethnicity. Similarly sexual orientation and gender identity shouldn't be either. Race, Gender and ethnicity are all assigned at birth and can largely be determined by blood test and demonstrated to be something entirely outside an individuals control, choice and behaviour.

Religion is the most easily demonstrated as deserving a different status of protection than the others in that most religions ALL hold the others as heretical. Declaring other faiths immoral is necessary to religious freedom and I take as the very positive basis of America's freedom of religion notion being a wonderful agreement between Catholics and Protestants to agree to disagree over war.

More controversially, I would also class your sexual preferences and identity in with religion as a different degree of protected class. There is an element of behaviour and choice here that can not be determined at birth with any manner of blood test or parental bloodline.

More simply, the right to discriminate should not exist for immutable things people are born to and remain beyond their choice or control, while the right to discriminate based upon behaviours is entirely necessary and important. If you want to believe Scientology can help you heal broken limbs and transcend the world your free to it, but I'm gonna treat you differently than a sane person. To similarly treat someone different based upon race or gender though is unacceptable.

ChaosEngine said:

Honestly, I really don't care what the beliefs of any church are.

If a church wants to take the stance that gays are evil and people with green eyes are demons... well, they're idiots, but as long as they don't do anything illegal, they're entitled to their stupid beliefs.

But religious beliefs shouldn't grant you any special privileges under the law. Basically, I believe you should be free to have whatever religion you want, as long as it's within the confines of the law that applies to everyone. No special exemptions.

So, no, a baker doesn't get to decide whether they can refuse service to a gay couple because of their religious beliefs. They can potentially refuse service if the LAW says they can refuse service to anyone for any reason, but religion shouldn't enter into it.

Why should a religious bigot get some special treatment that a regular bigot doesn't?

Now, after all that, the question of forcing businesses to provide service under the law is a tricky one as you and @newtboy have discussed. But generally, there are specific "protected classes" (not sure about the exact term), that you are not allowed discriminate on (i.e. gender, ethnicity, disability, religion, etc). I would be in favour of adding sexual orientation to that list.

So yes, you can refuse a nazi or a cop or a pedophile, but you can't refuse a native american lesbian in a wheelchair.

Dear Satan

newtboy says...

That there may be good reason to believe a man named Jesus lived is not close to evidence of miraculous resurrection or divinity.

So God's word isn't more powerful than man's lie, and He is incapable of clarity? Hmmmm.

Every gospel is just as clear and simple (Scientology notwithstanding), Christianity is one of many that make the same claim. How could I be certain which is "true" when they all offer the same unverified claims as evidence?

shinyblurry said:

The entirety of Christianity hinges on one thing; the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This is a historical event and can be investigated that way. Jesus Christ is a real person who lived 2000 years ago in Israel. This isn't mythos and there is good evidence to believe it happened.


One more time, my questions were 1.why is God's word so easily misstated, misunderstood, misidentified, misused, confused, and used for evil and hate? (Edit: especially given that properly interpreting it is allegedly the only way to escape eternal torture, seems like a set up.)

Any truth is easily misstated, misunderstood, misidentified, misused, confused, and used for evil and hate. This isn't a phenomenon unique to the scriptures; this is the reality of living in a fallen world. Corrupt men distort truth for their own gain. Look at the political situation in our country; how is what politicians do different from what prosperity preachers do? It really isn't.

The fact is that the gospel is very simple to understand; even a child could understand it, and they do. Gods word is very clear about our need for salvation and how to obtain it. It's man who overcomplicates it, distorts it for gain, or deliberately conceals the truth.

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