>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

On the contrary, I think Russia's conflict with the US puts them in a better position to understand and critique American corruption. They have no patriotic blinders to cloud their view, no nationalism to justify censoring harsh critiques and they've suffered more against the American propaganda machine more than any other country in the world. We still, to this day, have an fictionalized, fairy tale understanding of the former Soviet Union. Google Edward Bernays.
http://videosift.com/video/Edward-Bernays-and-the-Art-of-Public-Ma
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>> ^mxxcon:
1 hit peace with no relevance whatsoever on a company that has a name of that country's biggest opposition is hardly considered to be a quality news source.

while true, "Russia Today", a tv channel sponsored by Russia's gov't is hardly an objective source of information.
Their own description is "RT sets out to present the Russian point of view on events in Russia and its 'near abroad' and give the viewers an opportunity to get acquainted with Russian views on world and domestic events." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29
So most of their content is presented with a pro-Russia spin. And in this case they couldn't pass up an opportunity to dump on a bank with "America" in its name.

I wasn't specifically talking about this segment, but... most corporate news sources wouldn't have even touched this topic. I admit it was done in the typical sloppy way that most news topics are covered.
>> ^mxxcon:

>> ^vaporlock:
Kinda funny that Russia Today and AlJazzera are turning out to be two of the better news channels.
1 hit peace with no relevance whatsoever on a company that has a name of that country's biggest opposition is hardly considered to be a quality news source.

>> ^vaporlock:

Kinda funny that Russia Today and AlJazzera are turning out to be two of the better news channels.
1 hit peace with no relevance whatsoever on a company that has a name of that country's biggest opposition is hardly considered to be a quality news source.

Kinda funny that Russia Today and AlJazzera are turning out to be two of the better news channels.

More top-quality, just-the-facts journalism from Russia Today news!

@dystopianfuturetoday, I think that what's being said here is true also, but that's because it's a logical inference from the facts that no one's really disputing, not because Russia Today is so credible I need not question anything they say.

For example, we recently had this shoot up the charts, where RT had on a propagandist from Reason to basically say that Prop 19 is going to fail because Obama's DOJ is engaging in "voter intimidation" because it truthfully stated that states don't have the power to nullify federal law.

As for better sources on the campaign finance problem, here's a number of articles in mainstream press to paint the picture:

Washington Post - Interest-group spending for midterm up fivefold from 2006; many sources secret
The Economist - Ignore that $800,000 behind the curtain
The New York Times - Top Corporations Aid U.S. Chamber of Commerce Campaign
The New York Times - John Roberts's America
NPR - 'Independent' Groups Behind Ads Not So Independent

So it's more than a gut feeling on my part that this is true, but again, that's because a) it's a reasonable deduction from the facts, and b) lots of people I respect, both inside mainstream press and outside it are saying the same thing.

But the fact that Russia Today decided to say it too doesn't mean they are some sort of unbiased source. On the contrary, I believe they're only giving it airtime because their bias drives them to promote stories like this.

Thanks

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No no no! This isn't The Real News, they don't run this garbage to pander to a niche demographic. 'RT' stands for Russia Today.

Please correct the title!

No no no! This isn't The Real News, they don't run this garbage to pander to a niche demographic. 'RT' stands for Russia Today.

Please correct the title!

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

What if Israel sponsored an "aid convoy" to the pro-democracy factions inside of Iran? And when stopped at the border by the Iranian military the activists ran at the soldiers with knives, screamed anti-Muslim slogans, threw flash grenades, and assaulted the soldiers? The resulting news that "Iranian soldiers shoot 9 Isreali militants posing as aid workers for violating thier borders..." wouldn't get so much as a mention on page 50 behind the classifieds. Isreal shooting 9 militants posing as aid workers who violated their borders gets international attention. Its bull crap.
Countries have borders for reasons. If groups of people (Mexican illegals, Muslim activists, whoever) choose to violate and disrespect those borders then they subject themselves to justified retaliation. Don't want problems? Don't violate borders. And don't try and justify the dumb@$$es who disrespect borders. They're criminals.
When I travel I have a passport that has to go through a verification process 6-ways from Sunday. Yes - in EVERY civilized nation I've been to I am asked the question, "Undt do you haff your PAPERS?!" I have no problem whatsoever showing my passport because I have nothing to hide and I've FOLLOWED THE RULES. I expect (and respect) every nation to vigorously enforce their laws. If I ran screaming into a port of duty waving a knife I would fully expect to be either shot or locked up forever. But I'll never do that because I'm not a stupid moron idiot like these boatniks.


Not sure what you're on about. The attack happened in international waters, no one violated any borders.

Es ist "Und haben Sie ihre papiere". Nicht das Kuhscheiße Sie schrieb.

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>> ^Pprt:

The issue here is that Israel checks incoming cargo through the Ashdod seaport. Goods are then given to go-ahead to be moved into Gaza.
The ship that was boarded was the among the six vessels that chose to disregard the Israeli security protocol and insisted on docking and unloading directly into Gaza without proper clearance.


Oh, the issue is that a sovereign nation isn't allowed to ship materials in without Israeli's permission?

Who gives Israel the fucking right to do that shi... oh yeah, the rest of the world sitting around with their thumbs up their ass while the right wing does what it wants.

As for your ancient history bullshit, here's some ancient history for you... Joshua killing every man, woman and child in Jericho on God's say so... Yep, the jews are rooted firmly in the same ridiculous god excused bullshit as the muslims, congrats.

Here's some modern history for you, Etzel (the Israeli extremist organisation) which killed quite a few civilians in it's terrorist campaign during the creation of the state... The creation of the state which, in turn, created the hezbollah and hamas (you know, to resist occupation and fight back). I guess terrorist tactics are okay if they are working for you?

How about the assassination of a hamas figure using stolen Australian (and other nationalities) passports in the last year? In an Arab country no less...

The more the extremists (and their patsy apologists) try to defend this bullshit, the more obvious it's becoming that Israel is a rogue state, mostly because of it's leadership (no point in tarring all Israeli's /tips hat to DemonIX), and is eventually going to run itself out of friends.

>> ^geo321:

The Israeli government disgusts me.


me too
and i'm an Israeli
right wing extremests assholes are running this country

also
Hamas rules in gaza, voted by the people by democratic elections.
This is absurd, hamas was, and still targets civilians, and refuses to even recognize Israel, it's prepared to fight forever, until it dies in honor, so said the fucking Koran.

when over 80% of the population is religious,on both sides, (even more on the palestinian side) there isn't really a chance for peace.
Men will fight to death for false gods, and this will probably will never end, since this area is holy,
Holy my ass.

simple men\woman want peace, but it's getting worst every day.
I think it's about to get real bad soon.
I wish i could get the fuck out of here.

Right, cause if armed men stormed your boat you'd politely ask if they wouldn't mind halting their search-and-seizure-at-gunpoint?

>> ^bleedmegood:

I'm not exactly Pro-Israel....but I'm not going to let my disapproval of Israeli politics cloud my vision and lead me to make a snap-judgment...

And what exactly do you expect from desperate people surrounded by military boats? Especially knowing how Israeli forces act. I'm not an expert, but I can only assume that they were preparing for the worst and probably getting ready to resist the boarding. So I don't see the point of your argument.

>> ^Pprt:

>> ^moodonia:
Like I said earlier, I'd be interested to see Greta Berlin "foolishly flaunting... plans to smuggle ordnance and weapons into Gaza".
Also what has ancient history got to do with commandos raiding a ship? Apart from diverting the disscusion.
>> ^Pprt:
Strange that everyone is ignoring the first video I referenced, as if what they were chanting has no bearing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
They are chanting a traditional song about Muhamad's massacre on Khaibar, the Jewish settlement that he raided in 628~9. Ten thousand Jews were killed and Muhamad ordered the leader be tortured before he appropriated the widow. As a matter of course, he helped himself to the coffers.
Since Wikepedia is liked by the liberal persuasion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
You can contest the translation if you wish, but please pay attention to a word the lady uses: Shahada.
Listen for the same words in these clips http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html


It was on the radio.. afraid I can't find a copy online.
Do you think the Khaibar chant was just a little ditty to pass the time?