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Throat Singing

How Inequality Was Created

Trancecoach says...

Yeah, everyone is poor except a few rulers and their cronies, so there is "less income inequality."

How do you read that map you sent?

China is highly regulated, yet there is a lot of inequality, having the second largest number of billionaires, and millions of dirt-poor people. Does this map equate to percentages?

North Korea, on the other hand, is as highly regulated as it gets, yet they have very few billionaires, so, in this case yes, most people are equally poor, and close to starving (or are otherwise dead).

My initial post wasn't clear, in that, rather than seeking "equality," a higher standard of living seems preferable.

(Is this about envy or about having food on the table?)

Socialism promotes equality: "it's only virtue is equal misery for all" (with the exception of the rulers, of course)

Saudi Arabia is quite regulated, you can't buy alcohol and women must wear veils, yet the income disparities between the sheiks and the average workers is quite considerable.

Perhaps you'd like to elaborate and explain that unreadable map to me, so I can comment.

Edit: Oh, I see: According to this CIA map, there is apparently more "inequality" in the U.S. than there is in India. And a lot more in South Africa (but I didn't know South Africa was a land of no regulations, whatever that means). And Greece apparently has considerably lower inequality (so what are they all complaining about?!) And supposedly there is no data about communist countries like Cuba and places like Saudi Arabia (why is that?). Mongolia and Canada have about the same level of inequality. I'm still trying to decipher the purpose that this map serves...

ChaosEngine said:

So it's just a coincidence that countries with low income inequality tend to be more regulated?

Look it up if you don't believe me. start here

Is your earwax wet or dry? (User Poll by lucky760)

rebuilder says...

Dry. Finnish, born and raised. They say the people inhabiting Finland originally came from somewhere around modern day Mongolia, which may lend support to your Asian theory. OTOH, that would have been some time around the last ice age, or shortly thereafter, with significant mixing with other, European, elements up to this day.

Golden Eagle Snatches Kid

rich_magnet says...

Ah, falconry.

Maybe fake, but look around the web to find videos of golden eagles trying to take small humans. Usually by trying to drop them off cliffs in Mongolia, however. Also not sure about Quebec, but golden eagles are found through much of Canada, but less prevalent than the more common baldies. If real, good thing that kid was hitting the poutine enough that the eagle could only get it about 1m off the ground.

Long Way Round trailer

Yogi says...

>> ^persephone:

This is an excellent series. I saw it recently, after watching a similar doco last year,'On the Trail of Genghis Khan', by an Australian who rode from Mongolia to Hungary on a horse. Both fascinating, yet very different. The motorbike trek took 3 months, the horse trek took three years. Ewan and his friend Charlie had huge amounts of expensive equipment and a support crew. Tim had three horses, a tent, a dog and a satelite phone. Each had their own unique set of problems. All of them were pushed to new limits. Excellent stuff.


What I like about the trail of Genghis Khan comparison is the fact that Horses and Motorcycles are very much the same. Motorcycle is just a modern version of a horse, with some of the same trappings such as leather and a cowboy loner outsider sort of image attached to it.

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Crazy looking wooden bridge in somewhere Mongolia

mxxcon says...

>> ^Quboid:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^spoco2:
Ahh, I hate that software based image stabilization, it makes for fricken freaky results. Stop doing it... STOP IT!

That's what that is!? I thought it was my first experience with vertigo...I didn't know what the hell was going on.

Is that the warping that happens a few times? It had me wondering if the bridge wasn't maybe perfectly straight and normal, it's just the camera that's FUBAR.
That effect is Youtube's image stabilization. It makes image a bit wobbly, but if it's wobbly like that then you'd get a headache from watching the original shackeycam footage.

Crazy looking wooden bridge in somewhere Mongolia

Quboid says...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^spoco2:
Ahh, I hate that software based image stabilization, it makes for fricken freaky results. Stop doing it... STOP IT!

That's what that is!? I thought it was my first experience with vertigo...I didn't know what the hell was going on.


Is that the warping that happens a few times? It had me wondering if the bridge wasn't maybe perfectly straight and normal, it's just the camera that's FUBAR.

mintbbb (Member Profile)

Crazy looking wooden bridge in somewhere Mongolia

Yogi says...

>> ^spoco2:

Ahh, I hate that software based image stabilization, it makes for fricken freaky results. Stop doing it... STOP IT!


That's what that is!? I thought it was my first experience with vertigo...I didn't know what the hell was going on.

China "Supercut"

Russia in 18 Seconds

Confucius says...

I dont understand what overthrowing Mongolian rule after over 2 centuries of rule has to do with it being European? If anything this would be a pre-requisite for being considered asian i.e. China,parts of India and the various 'stans etc (all of which kept their own unique cultures)........

Russia is as culturally distinct from the narrow minded stereotype of Asians (i.e. the Chi-panese Kung-fu people) as are the indians and 'stanis. Are the Kazakhistanis asian? Uzbeks? Tajiks? They were all part of the USSR until its collapse. Does this mean that they were European and are now Asian because they were dropped by Russia?

Russia is just as out of place in Europe as it is in Asia but saying that it is not Asian just as saying that it is not European is wrong and is essentially reinforcing the racist stereotype that all asians are chinese.

Asia is a big continent it holds much more than just chinese people and shaolin monks.


>> ^ghark:

>> ^Confucius:


>> ^Shepppard:
Asian channel description:
"This channel is dedicated to the ancient cultures and traditions of Eastern Asia, particularly China and Japan, that began thousands of years ago and continue to this very day only slightly if at all affected by the modern world. It covers everything from period Shaolin martial arts videos in China to wacky reality Japanese shows of today"
so, I'm going to say this one doesn't belong.
Nochannel
wtf
drugs
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I dunno, I mean they got beaten up pretty badly over the centuries by raiding armies from areas such as Mongolia, but they kept their own unique culture through all that, rather than being assimilated as happened in other countries that experienced similar defeats. Russia was just too big, vast and harsh to conquer permanently, so I think that it deserves to be considered as an entity outside what might be defined culturally as Asia, regardless of geographic location. To further confuse things, it was apparently pretty popular historically amongst Russians to consider Europe as extending to the Urals, and also part of Siberia is on the North American plate.

Russia in 18 Seconds

ghark says...

>> ^Confucius:

So what you're saying is, that the Asian channel is racially defined? Read up on Russian history and look at its geography. It belongs in Asia as much as it belongs in Europe
BTW this is a pretty bad way to describe Asia (i know you didnt write this)....i.e. how is it possible that someone can say that these "ancient cultures continue today only slightly affected by the modern world?"
Pretty ethno-centric too.....by modern world im assuming what is meant is the Western World...?

>> ^Shepppard:
Asian channel description:
"This channel is dedicated to the ancient cultures and traditions of Eastern Asia, particularly China and Japan, that began thousands of years ago and continue to this very day only slightly if at all affected by the modern world. It covers everything from period Shaolin martial arts videos in China to wacky reality Japanese shows of today"
so, I'm going to say this one doesn't belong.
Nochannel
wtf
drugs
dance



I dunno, I mean they got beaten up pretty badly over the centuries by raiding armies from areas such as Mongolia, but they kept their own unique culture through all that, rather than being assimilated as happened in other countries that experienced similar defeats. Russia was just too big, vast and harsh to conquer permanently, so I think that it deserves to be considered as an entity outside what might be defined culturally as Asia, regardless of geographic location. To further confuse things, it was apparently pretty popular historically amongst Russians to consider Europe as extending to the Urals, and also part of Siberia is on the North American plate.

Mongolian nomads see photos of themselves for the first time

syncron jokingly says...

>> ^Asmo:

>> ^Januari:
Thought it was interesting the guy was wearing a yankee cap but had never seen a photo of himself.

Considering goods like that are most likely mass produced in China, what are the chances that they are factory seconds shipped out to local stores?

Holy crap, there are actually PEOPLE living in Mongolia? I thought it was just the land between Russia and Inner Mongolia where horses come from.

Mongolian nomads see photos of themselves for the first time



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