Yeah Leno is annoying. The commercial needs some kind of joke to allude to the Conan/Leno fiasco......maybe we can get one in the comments.

Leno truly deserves a whole lot worse than he got.

I swear that was a young Jay Leno.

*kick
yo can! why you not like these tags "Triumph,Leno,poop,poopmation"?

>> ^NetRunner:

What video are you people watching?
Obama says "traditionally what held this country together was this notion that if you work hard, if you're playing by the rules, if you're responsible ... you've got a chance to succeed. But right now people feel like the deck is stacked against them..."
So...he's saying that why people are upset right now is because people feel like that social contract "traditional notion" has broken down.
He's not saying "If you're poor, and don't have a job, blame yourself." That was Herman Cain.
Seriously, are people in such a rage against Obama that even when he says stuff you agree with, you have to pretend he said the opposite?


I absolutely see your point, I can see where my comment is misstating what I really intended to communicate. If I look at the Presidents comments differently, i.e. assuming the barest expectations of people and Americans, I understand his perspective and his comments better.

I suppose a better way to communicate my gripe is that he doesn't actually address the real issues. He's being "sympathetic" to the OWS protesters, but his statements do not give any weight to the actual issues. He doesn't acknowledge their grievances. (Maybe he can't, because OWS is such a mess anyway, regarding their fundamental message and goals. Still, "getting a job and getting ahead" is, and should not be, peoples highest goals in the United States.)

Every individual in the US is in a position to change the world for the better. Yes, I am an idealist.

>> ^peggedbea:

I heard and understood what he said. but i am so upset with him that it all sounds like lip service.
i feel like maybe once, years ago, there was an obama with integrity. one who believed the shit he said. i dont think that's the guy we voted into office though. the guy in the office appears to be some kind of corporatist puppet who gives a really good speech every once in a while. whos really good at pretending that "the opposition" just outsmarted him or are too powerful to be beat.

I guess I give him more credit. He's no FDR, but he's as left-wing of a President as we've had since Jimmy Carter.

I'm not as starry-eyed about him as I once was, but I think people on the left have let the corporate media brainwash them a bit too much with the "Obama = fail" meme.

Every victory he's had gets turned into "it was a failure because it should've been a bigger and better victory". Every real failure gets turned into intentional betrayal of principle.

I always get suspicious about only ever hearing one conclusion from people. I mean, for fuck's sake, liberals occasionally found some reason to applaud even Bush. Not so with Obama. Everything he does is apparently wrong, even when he succeeds in implementing some major policy goal. Now it seems that even an expression of sympathy for the Occupy movement in a high-visibility TV interview ticks people off.

I guess I just don't get it. I see a guy who hasn't been the Knight in Shining Armor we all wanted him to be, but he's made quite a lot of forward progress on things like health care reform, repealing DADT, even pulling out of Iraq.

Like I said, he's no FDR, but he's definitely on our side!

I heard and understood what he said. but i am so upset with him that it all sounds like lip service.

i feel like maybe once, years ago, there was an obama with integrity. one who believed the shit he said. i dont think that's the guy we voted into office though. the guy in the office appears to be some kind of corporatist puppet who gives a really good speech every once in a while. whos really good at pretending that "the opposition" just outsmarted him or are too powerful to be beat. not that he just represents a softer, kinder side of the same corporately minted coin.

i bet the new guy really misses that old guy. i bet he's really lonely without him. i bet it really really sucks to be the president when it's possible that you're not actually a sociopath. >> ^NetRunner:

What video are you people watching?
Obama says "traditionally what held this country together was this notion that if you work hard, if you're playing by the rules, if you're responsible ... you've got a chance to succeed. But right now people feel like the deck is stacked against them..."
So...he's saying that why people are upset right now is because people feel like that social contract "traditional notion" has broken down.
He's not saying "If you're poor, and don't have a job, blame yourself." That was Herman Cain.
Seriously, are people in such a rage against Obama that even when he says stuff you agree with, you have to pretend he said the opposite?

>> ^Boise_Lib:

Meanwhile


Philosophically, I approve of the peaceful nature of the protest so far.
Pragmatically, I wonder how long it can continue. I previously said that the cops will eventually realise they're on the wrong side. I'm now starting to doubt that, and I'm wondering how long before the first group decides to fight back. Of course, as soon as that happens, no matter how justified or provoked the protesters were, that will be the end for the mainstream support for the occupy movement.

I've never heard the left-handed metaphor Leno used before. Very well put.

>> ^garmachi:

>> ^Jinx:
The "ballsy" thing would have been to not have her and her backwards opinions on the show at all.

I respectfully disagree. Her opinion (and it's not just hers, many hold it) is a problem, and ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. He challenged her and gave her a chance to justify herself, and she failed. This may have been his intent, and if so, I say kudos Jay.


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>> ^Lawdeedaw:

>> ^shponglefan:
Wasn't it also law for many years that women couldn't vote or hold office? Wonder how Bachmann would feel about that one.

Um...just fine probably. Because if that were so she would be living in a different world and the basis would be the bible--which she uses to justify her hate right now. And let's face it, as long as her husband was bringing home the bacon, she would be A-OK with it.


agreed. This is a woman who has admitted that she submits to what her husband wants. She didn't want to go into law. But hubby/god commanded it so....

Quite honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. She's not going to win the Republican nomination. She's too crazy even for the Reps.

>> ^shponglefan:

Wasn't it also law for many years that women couldn't vote or hold office? Wonder how Bachmann would feel about that one.


Um...just fine probably. Because if that were so she would be living in a different world and the basis would be the bible--which she uses to justify her hate right now. And let's face it, as long as her husband was bringing home the bacon, she would be A-OK with it.

>> ^Jinx:

The "ballsy" thing would have been to not have her and her backwards opinions on the show at all.


I respectfully disagree. Her opinion (and it's not just hers, many hold it) is a problem, and ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. He challenged her and gave her a chance to justify herself, and she failed. This may have been his intent, and if so, I say kudos Jay.

>> ^JiggaJonson:

It's truely pathetic to see her skirt around this issue.
You would think that it would be a point of pride. Instead, because deep down she knows that there is something wrong with what she has been doing/supporting, the shame of that kept her from being open about it here.


I think that's giving her entirely too much credit. She had plenty of time for soul searching while she was profiting from her clinic's 1 on 1 gay shame sessions. But her campaign consultants have advised her that, while this sort of bigotry won't hurt her in the republican primaries, it might in the general election. Her discomfort is political calculation, nothing more respectable.