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Lady Speaks about LGBT protection ordinance

00Scud00 says...

>> ^skinnydaddy1:

Usually I end up with a strong dislike of city councils or groups like them in general. The viciousness and petty squabbles that erupt in these groups are often blown far out of proportions to the issues that instigated them.
That being said. I honestly am finding it strange that this city council has earned some respect from me.
They know of this lady's illness but continue to allow her to speak in front of them and do not hinder her in any way.
From the article,
"She usually speaks twice a month during the council's open mic sessions, where citizens can talk for up to five minutes on any topic. The council sits patiently until she is done."
Had she been doing this in Dallas Tx, or any of the surrounding cities I have no doubt that she would of been forcibly removed and banned from returning. More likely causing even more damage to her psyche by adding the idea that she is being prosecuted for her ideas and beliefs.
Hats off for this city councils understanding and patients.

Or, they're all just having a laugh at her expense. I find this all really humorous, and yet I can't help but feel a little bad for laughing.

Lady Speaks about LGBT protection ordinance

jwray says...

If she does this regularly, somebody should have helped her get help. Ignoring and playing along with the insanity isn't helping.

>> ^skinnydaddy1:

Usually I end up with a strong dislike of city councils or groups like them in general. The viciousness and petty squabbles that erupt in these groups are often blown far out of proportions to the issues that instigated them.
That being said. I honestly am finding it strange that this city council has earned some respect from me.
They know of this lady's illness but continue to allow her to speak in front of them and do not hinder her in any way.
From the article,
"She usually speaks twice a month during the council's open mic sessions, where citizens can talk for up to five minutes on any topic. The council sits patiently until she is done."
Had she been doing this in Dallas Tx, or any of the surrounding cities I have no doubt that she would of been forcibly removed and banned from returning. More likely causing even more damage to her psyche by adding the idea that she is being prosecuted for her ideas and beliefs.
Hats off for this city councils understanding and patients.

Lady Speaks about LGBT protection ordinance

skinnydaddy1 says...

Usually I end up with a strong dislike of city councils or groups like them in general. The viciousness and petty squabbles that erupt in these groups are often blown far out of proportions to the issues that instigated them.

That being said. I honestly am finding it strange that this city council has earned some respect from me.
They know of this lady's illness but continue to allow her to speak in front of them and do not hinder her in any way.

From the article,
"She usually speaks twice a month during the council's open mic sessions, where citizens can talk for up to five minutes on any topic. The council sits patiently until she is done."

Had she been doing this in Dallas Tx, or any of the surrounding cities I have no doubt that she would of been forcibly removed and banned from returning. More likely causing even more damage to her psyche by adding the idea that she is being prosecuted for her ideas and beliefs.
Hats off for this city councils understanding and patients.

Dan Savage on the bible at High School Journalism convention

dgandhi says...

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Tell you what, the day a single preacher, nun or even believer gets physically assaulted by a homosexual for their beliefs, you will have something approaching a point.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/anger-over-prop-8-erupts-in-san-fr
ancisco/nKjWD/


protest/counter-protest
corpses: 0
blood spilled: none

http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/80220/


Inflamitory blog Posts:
corpses: 0
blood spilled: none

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Xb-au-wpU

alleged assault
alleged corpses: 0
alleged blood spilled: none



Please contrast you "examples" of "violence" with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

Your case for "this is just more bullying" is based on an absurd argument for moral equivalence. Forceful, even offensive, speech against real physical/deadly violence, is not morally equivalent to speech advocating, or rationalizing, said violence.

The gay folks in the links, as well as Dan Savage, are not protesting/speaking against people for being Christian, but for being bigots. The use of Christianity to rationalize bigotry is the choice of bigots.

If Christians don't want Christianity to be scrutinized, they need to stop other Christians from using their religion to advocate bigotry.

Dan Savage on the bible at High School Journalism convention

ChaosEngine says...

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Tell you what, the day a single preacher, nun or even believer gets physically assaulted by a homosexual for their beliefs, you will have something approaching a point.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/anger-over-prop-8-erupts-in-san-fr
ancisco/nKjWD/
http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/80220/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Xb-au-wpU
Not that I expect you to concede the matter, but to imply that no gay person EVER in the history of humanity has attacked a Christian because of what they believe is pure sophistry. There are bad actors on both sides of the issue, and since Christians are the big-dog in the US of course there is a lot more bad acting on thier side. I merely point out that there is an ugly underside to the LBGT community, and pin-heads like Savage show it. If the real message is true tolerance - which it SHOULD be - then both sides need to clamp down on thier offenders. Yeah - Christians need to repent and start acting more Christlike too. You can disagree with the gay lifestyle and not have to persecute it.


Ok, I will concede that you have "something approaching a point". I don't condone violence of that type.
And while two wrongs don't make a right, frankly, I can understand where they're coming from.

Dan Savage on the bible at High School Journalism convention

Winstonfield_Pennypacker says...

And just for the record... Even the NSPA and JEA (the hosts of the speech) condemn Savage and pretty much call what he did bullying...

http://studentpressblogs.org/nspa/?p=363

"In his attempt to denounce bullying, Mr. Savage belittled the faith of others – an action that we do not support. Ridicule of others’ faith has no place in our programs, any more than ridicule of the LGBT community would."

They get a round of applause for an ACTUAL apology, as opposed to the load of bull Savage puked up trying to 'nuance' his way out of an apology.

won't even begin to try to explain to you how ironic it is

Perhaps - then you see the point. You took the bait. You see - how is is possible for MY generalized comments about liberals to be hypocritical and ironic, but Savage's comments are 'nuanced'? You can't have it both ways. Just admit it. Savage was a hypocritical, bullying jerk who stuck his foot in his mouth and showed the world he's a bigot. He should just apologize for it. A REAL apology - not the stupid "sorry you don't really understand me..." crap he spit out.

Tell you what, the day a single preacher, nun or even believer gets physically assaulted by a homosexual for their beliefs, you will have something approaching a point.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/anger-over-prop-8-erupts-in-san-francisco/nKjWD/
http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/80220/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Xb-au-wpU

Not that I expect you to concede the matter, but to imply that no gay person EVER in the history of humanity has attacked a Christian because of what they believe is pure sophistry. There are bad actors on both sides of the issue, and since Christians are the big-dog in the US of course there is a lot more bad acting on thier side. I merely point out that there is an ugly underside to the LBGT community, and pin-heads like Savage show it. If the real message is true tolerance - which it SHOULD be - then both sides need to clamp down on thier offenders. Yeah - Christians need to repent and start acting more Christlike too. You can disagree with the gay lifestyle and not have to persecute it.

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Yogi says...

I was just looking for a Daily Show post so nothing to do with this particular video.

EGYPT is Fucking erupting Daily Show...you got in on Iran where the Fuck are you about Egypt? Did you find Iran too risky...ask the MARINE to do it! The point is I want quality journalism reporting on the Egypt situation and you're just not over there so I have none!

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xxovercastxx says...

Ron Paul regularly stands up in front of large crowds and tells them that we are being attacked by terrorists as a result of our own actions.

Ron Paul regularly stands up in front of large crowds and tells them that Israel has done reprehensible things in their battles with the Palestinians.

Ron Paul regularly stands up in front of large crowds and tells them that our military and our empire is weakening our country and bankrupting us and that we need to stop fighting perpetual wars.

He is often booed viciously for these comments and he goes on saying them anyway. So I have a hard time imagining that he's afraid to admit that he once said black kids run fast. A lot of the same people who boo the above statements would erupt in applause if he were to blame some shit on black people. That's a popular statement with diehard Republicans, particularly with Obama in office.

Why would Ron Paul, who is known for saying exactly what he thinks whether it's what people want to hear or not, suddenly be shy about this?

That's not to say he's free and clear on the newsletters. He dropped the ball and it's a blemish on his name but if he says these are not his positions then I see little reason to doubt him.

The issue definitely needed to be brought up and Paul needed to answer for it but, now that he has, I don't see the point in continuing to ask about it unless something new surfaces.



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