The Secrets of Quantum Physics - Einstein's Nightmare

"No reasonable definition of reality could be expected to permit quantum mechanics"
--Albert Einstein
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Spacedog79says...

He talks in unjustifiably certain terms about a lot of theses things. Science is not religion, the experiments are very imperfect and the interpretations are still all debated. He does qualify his statements a bit but we still have infinitely more to learn than we know now, we cannot make conclusions yet.

speechlesssays...

I thought it was presented pretty well as an overview of the concept. It's a BBC doc, not a course at a university.

Is this a field of study for you? I'm curious to hear what exactly you think was wrong. I'm not a fan of quantum mechanics in general either btw.

Spacedog79said:

He talks in unjustifiably certain terms about a lot of theses things. Science is not religion, the experiments are very imperfect and the interpretations are still all debated. He does qualify his statements a bit but we still have infinitely more to learn than we know now, we cannot make conclusions yet.

Spacedog79says...

I learned most of it from my mother, who was a well respected dissident of the quantum physics world until she died in 2006. I'm not nearly clever enough to follow in her footsteps, but I learned enough to know that the reality of science is full of human failings. Often egos, headlines and research grants get in the way of real science. Nothing like a claim to allow the possibility of time travel to get yourself in the papers and help get the funding in.

Unfortunately the maths has assumptions built in that cannot yet be tested and that has made it become totally detached from reality, the maths becoming proof in of itself, even if it makes no logical sense. In any reasonable time, the idea would have been dropped and we'd just have to say we don't know yet. They need to take step back, go back to the real fundamentals and nail those first, otherwise they go sprinting off in all sorts of directions not knowing if the basis on which they are working is sound.

It sells books and makes good headlines but it isn't good science.

speechlesssaid:

I thought it was presented pretty well as an overview of the concept. It's a BBC doc, not a course at a university.

Is this a field of study for you? I'm curious to hear what exactly you think was wrong. I'm not a fan of quantum mechanics in general either btw.

speechlesssays...

I agree. It starts with "Shut up and calculate" and ends with nothing useful. I'm not sure we're moving forward with anything but mathematical masturbation at this point. It's very frustrating.

Spacedog79says...

If you want to deleve in to it yourself, hidden variables are a good place to start picking holes in QM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_variable_theory

Also if you're interested I keep my mother's website online, which still gets interest from scientists and students researching it http://freespace.virgin.net/ch.thompson1/

speechlesssaid:

I agree. It starts with "Shut up and calculate" and ends with nothing useful. I'm not sure we're moving forward with anything but mathematical masturbation at this point. It's very frustrating.

vilsays...

Exactly. He got all the girls. Watch him and learn.

If this arbitrary value comes out more than 2 Einstein was wrong. And the answer is.... 2.5 woohoooo! Anything practical on the horizon?

Also strings + entanglement = Flying Spaghetti Monster confirmed.

billpayersaid:

Watch Feynman. He was the true genius of the 20th century.

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