Does the sift actually support these people? I mean I know you're all liberals..but I didn't think you were *that* liberal..Check out some highlights:











I know our government is corrupt and corporations run the world, but I can't get behind a bunch of whiny entitled anarchists..not to mention the utterly bizzare drone like behavior and the crazies doing drugs in the street and defecting on police cars. The spirit behind this thing is an ugly one indeed.

^spammer^

A couple of crazies does not invalidate an argument , I have yet to see these hippie/anarchist type people repress anyone to the extent that the banks/cooperate owners and mega rich have (even if intentional or not) .

"I can't get behind a bunch of whiny entitled anarchists"

Don't then I certainly am not behind Whiny entitled anarchists. I think the whiny entitled types are very much in the minority in these protests , the main point of the protests is to draw attention to the fact that the super rich are controlling the policy and are affectively steeling from the majority of people and getting away with it.

Another affect the protests have had is that people are FINALY talking about how fundamental aspects of capitalism are flawed and its not necessaries 1 political party or another that's at fault ( although you can attribute deregulation of the markets to some people more than others)


If you have not seen it already and want a good over view of things watch these documentaries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ

http://www.archive.org/details/AdamCurtis_PandorasBox

http://www.archive.org/details/AdamCurtis_TheTrap



>> ^shinyblurry:

Does the sift actually support these people? I mean I know you're all liberals..but I didn't think you were that liberal..Check out some highlights:





I know our government is corrupt and corporations run the world, but I can't get behind a bunch of whiny entitled anarchists..not to mention the utterly bizzare drone like behavior and the crazies doing drugs in the street and defecting on police cars. The spirit behind this thing is an ugly one indeed.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

^spammer^


ignore ftw

>> ^ghark:

>> ^Boise_Lib:
^spammer^

ignore ftw


Thanks, ghark.

Click ignore--refresh--much better!

In answer to question above (which I will not quote because I'm not a dick):

I know I don't really support the movement much. (I agree with some of the basic ideas, but I think the actual protest is mostly full of "me too" and "free handouts" people.)

But to bring the topic back to the point of the video: It doesn't matter if you agree with the idea of the protest itself, free speech is the most basic right of the people. Removing that (for any reason) is the proverbial "thin line" between freedom and fascism. Just because the whole OWP thing doesn't impress me much doesn't mean that I -- or anyone else -- should have the right to silence them.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Does the sift actually support these people? I mean I know you're all liberals..but I didn't think you were that liberal..Check out some highlights:
[...]
I know our government is corrupt and corporations run the world, but I can't get behind a bunch of whiny entitled anarchists..not to mention the utterly bizzare drone like behavior and the crazies doing drugs in the street and defecting on police cars. The spirit behind this thing is an ugly one indeed.


I'm not particularly invested in OWS but claiming these people are representative of everyone there is like claiming you are representative of all Christians. Not all of them are batshit insane.

I see what you did there..and this is a movement without any cohesive message or objective..just seems like its bunch of college dropouts collectively shouting "WAAAAH!" It's first world problems on steriods. Everyone has a different sign with a different gripes, it's a cacaphony of inarticulate complaining. I agree with the general message that the rich run this country..To which I reply, no duh. This country, along with every other in history, follows the golden rule: He who has the gold makes the rules. So long as we live in a fallen world, this isn't going to change.

>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Does the sift actually support these people? I mean I know you're all liberals..but I didn't think you were that liberal..Check out some highlights:
[...]
I know our government is corrupt and corporations run the world, but I can't get behind a bunch of whiny entitled anarchists..not to mention the utterly bizzare drone like behavior and the crazies doing drugs in the street and defecting on police cars. The spirit behind this thing is an ugly one indeed.

I'm not particularly invested in OWS but claiming these people are representative of everyone there is like claiming you are representative of all Christians. Not all of them are batshit insane.

I'll check out the documentries. I agree, not everyone in the movement is like those people, but it really just seems like a mess. The coverage I've seen is a bunch of people slumming around, hawking their pet causes. I also don't see any coherent solution being offered. Do they want us to put all the rich people on a boat and sink it? I've seen people marching with communist flags and other who seem to think socialism is a good idea, which it isn't. Capitalism has flaws, that is undeniable, but it also has done a lot to spread personal freedom around the world. Capitalism is flawed, just like other system, because people are flawed. Anytime you have people entrusted with money and power, they find a way to screw it up, and good people get punished while bad people get rewarded. It's not the system which is the problem. It's the human heart:

Jeremiah 17:9

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

>> ^westy:
A couple of crazies does not invalidate an argument , I have yet to see these hippie/anarchist type people repress anyone to the extent that the banks/cooperate owners and mega rich have (even if intentional or not) .
"I can't get behind a bunch of whiny entitled anarchists"
Don't then I certainly am not behind Whiny entitled anarchists. I think the whiny entitled types are very much in the minority in these protests , the main point of the protests is to draw attention to the fact that the super rich are controlling the policy and are affectively steeling from the majority of people and getting away with it.
Another affect the protests have had is that people are FINALY talking about how fundamental aspects of capitalism are flawed and its not necessaries 1 political party or another that's at fault ( although you can attribute deregulation of the markets to some people more than others)
If you have not seen it already and want a good over view of things watch these documentaries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ
http://www.archive.org/details/AdamCurtis_PandorasBox
http://www.archive.org/details/AdamCurtis_TheTrap

I see now that condescension and self-righteousness are actually personality traits of yours, and not just your attitude toward heathens and atheists. However, I think we were already well-aware of your inability to grasp simple, rational concepts and... well, English. No need to keep proving it. We get it.

Joe Pesci Bless you.

PLONK.
>> ^shinyblurry:

I see what you did there..and this is a movement without any cohesive message or objective..just seems like its bunch of college dropouts collectively shouting "WAAAAH!" It's first world problems on steriods. Everyone has a different sign with a different gripes, it's a cacaphony of inarticulate complaining. I agree with the general message that the rich run this country..To which I reply, no duh. This country, along with every other in history, follows the golden rule: He who has the gold makes the rules. So long as we live in a fallen world, this isn't going to change.

How is it that you can condemn me for condescension and self-righteousness, while being condescending and self-righteous, without a trace of awareness? I don't think I am better than anyone else. Yes, I enjoy a bit of flourish now and then, so perhaps I was overbearing in my criticism..however, as a movement, OWS is incoherent. No real message and no real solution. We are 99 percent? They don't represent the views of anyone I know. I think some people are hoping it will get violent and turn into an Arab Spring situation. Except it won't. Most people in this country, while fed up, are hard working people who aren't looking for a handout.

>> ^Fletch:
I see now that condescension and self-righteousness are actually personality traits of yours, and not just your attitude toward heathens and atheists. However, I think we were already well-aware of your inability to grasp simple, rational concepts and... well, English. No need to keep proving it. We get it.
Joe Pesci Bless you.
PLONK.
>> ^shinyblurry:
I see what you did there..and this is a movement without any cohesive message or objective..just seems like its bunch of college dropouts collectively shouting "WAAAAH!" It's first world problems on steriods. Everyone has a different sign with a different gripes, it's a cacaphony of inarticulate complaining. I agree with the general message that the rich run this country..To which I reply, no duh. This country, along with every other in history, follows the golden rule: He who has the gold makes the rules. So long as we live in a fallen world, this isn't going to change.

So let me summarize this thread so far:

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I think that about summarizes it

>> ^shinyblurry:

...this is a movement without any cohesive message or objective..."

http://www.prosebeforehos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/no-message-occupy-wall-street.png

http://c1planetsavecom.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2011/11/ows-message-murdoch-e1322660861906.jpg

I know you're not a lib, but have you really swallowed that Fox media message?

No, that was my own assessment of the movement, and it seems to have borne out. What is the OWS movement doing today beyond vandalism and petty thuggery?





Yes, there were some good points made, and a whole lot of bad ones as well. They spoke as one cacophony and it is that lack of coherency or cohesive strategy (as well as a terrible image problem) that ultimately led to their downfall. Even the founders of the movement agree:

"But even Adbusters, the 'culture-jamming' magazine that help spawn the original Wall Street occupation, says that things have changed dramatically for the movement. "Our movement is living through a painful rebirth..." began its frontpage essay this week, and then quoted a Zuccoti park regular who declared, "We are facing a nauseating poverty of ideas.”"

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/06/07

From crowds of 15k to 75 people, it seems to be all over but the shouting

Occupy Wall Street: Dead in 213 Days

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/10552

>> ^messenger:

>> ^shinyblurry:
...this is a movement without any cohesive message or objective..."
http://www.prosebeforehos.com/wordpress/wp
-content/uploads/2011/10/no-message-occupy-wall-street.png
http://c1planetsavecom.wpengine.netdna-cdn.
com/files/2011/11/ows-message-murdoch-e1322660861906.jpg
I know you're not a lib, but have you really swallowed that Fox media message?