From a international perspective the US is really starting to come across as a self interested hypocrite on all accounts. We spend trillions of dollars and an untold number of lives destroying an Iraqi Dictator, yet we're on the wrong side of democracy in Palestine and Egypt.

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Let's not stick our nose into yet another country's business please.

>> ^Duckman33:

Let's not stick our nose into yet another country's business please.


Why not, because nation building always works!

I find the phrase "The US is the leader of the free world!" as annoying as it is ironic. It's got to be the ultimate catchphrase for empire of our generation. A free world with the US running it. I know it's just nationalistic propaganda but the words irritate me.

>> ^Duckman33:

Let's not stick our nose into yet another country's business please.


Lemme see, were those M1 Abram's tanks rolling down the streets of Cairo?

Bit late imo...

>> ^Asmo:

>> ^Duckman33:
Let's not stick our nose into yet another country's business please.

Lemme see, were those M1 Abram's tanks rolling down the streets of Cairo?
Bit late imo...


They co-produced those with us, so they aren't "ours" really. Even if they were, they also have Nike's, which also doesn't matter.

We fund their army. We are already supporting the dictator. We can change that with a flick of the pen, and nobody has to be invaded.

However, a lot depends on who is poised to take over if Mubarak goes.

Yeah, I hate Mubarak, but who the hell knows what will fill up the vacuum. If it went south we'd almost have to get involved at some level.

(...it's starting to go south via the pro-Mubarak protesters somebody shipped in... One day there were little to none to be found; then overnight they show up--ready [and wanting] to fight.)

I'd call ^conspiracy (screw you sifty bot) on any news that has the "pro-Mubarak" protesters...


edit - One thing I whole heartedly agree with is what Cenk said at the end of his piece. If we really are ANY kind of power THAT TRULY believes in our republic and our democracy WE HAVE TO ACT. Otherwise, we look pro-Mubarak. The fact that I've seen so many of these protesters wearing Obama T-shirts and using his name, in a comparison of us electing him in force and they wanting Mubarak out. So much so that they viewed Obama's election an uprising in the U.S. (which is not comparable in anyway to their plight). I fail to see how our decision has yet to be made by our commander in chief!

Are you advocating the violent overthrow of an existing government unilaterally? How do you support rebels, and which ones do you support? What if they don't want your support, Iraq sure didn't, Iran doesn't. Before we start blowing up another country, it would be good to have the answers to some of those questions.

>> ^kceaton1:

Yeah, I hate Mubarak, but who the hell knows what will fill up the vacuum. If it went south we'd almost have to get involved at some level.
(...it's starting to go south via the pro-Mubarak protesters somebody shipped in... One day there were little to none to be found; then overnight they show up--ready [and wanting] to fight.)
I'd call ^conspiracy (screw you sifty bot) on any news that has the "pro-Mubarak" protesters...

edit - One thing I whole heartedly agree with is what Cenk said at the end of his piece. If we really are ANY kind of power THAT TRULY believes in our republic and our democracy WE HAVE TO ACT. Otherwise, we look pro-Mubarak. The fact that I've seen so many of these protesters wearing Obama T-shirts and using his name, in a comparison of us electing him in force and they wanting Mubarak out. So much so that they viewed Obama's election an uprising in the U.S. (which is not comparable in anyway to their plight). I fail to see how our decision has yet to be made by our commander in chief!

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

Are you advocating the violent overthrow of an existing government unilaterally? How do you support rebels, and which ones do you support? What if they don't want your support, Iraq sure didn't, Iran doesn't. Before we start blowing up another country, it would be good to have the answers to some of those questions.
>> ^kceaton1:
Yeah, I hate Mubarak, but who the hell knows what will fill up the vacuum. If it went south we'd almost have to get involved at some level.
(...it's starting to go south via the pro-Mubarak protesters somebody shipped in... One day there were little to none to be found; then overnight they show up--ready [and wanting] to fight.)
I'd call ^conspiracy (screw you sifty bot) on any news that has the "pro-Mubarak" protesters...

edit - One thing I whole heartedly agree with is what Cenk said at the end of his piece. If we really are ANY kind of power THAT TRULY believes in our republic and our democracy WE HAVE TO ACT. Otherwise, we look pro-Mubarak. The fact that I've seen so many of these protesters wearing Obama T-shirts and using his name, in a comparison of us electing him in force and they wanting Mubarak out. So much so that they viewed Obama's election an uprising in the U.S. (which is not comparable in anyway to their plight). I fail to see how our decision has yet to be made by our commander in chief!



Sorry, I didn't clarify what I meant by getting involved. I think we should promote any push for democratic or a republic reform regime. The reason I said we "may" need to get involved is because of our spending that gave them their army.

The army seems to be the most level-headed (as well as anti-Mubarak protesters. A good example for them is that they combined together to protect their museum from harm. To me that says this protest is VERY different from anything we've seen in our lifetimes except when Russia feel apart with much the same thing happening with the military.

As I said, I've got no idea what will fill the vacuum, but if we get involved we may may. This includes politics, U.N. support, or other non-intrusive military based action. Which is a far different strategy than what we used in Iraq and elsewhere.