First 5 minutes of Ghost in the Shell Movie.

Pretty much a recreation from the anime episode... but w/e, pretty good.
RedSkysays...

Yeah, I don't see how they can fit any significant component of the 2nd GiG season in a movie, let alone any philosophical depth. Stylistically they seem to be on the right track, although Hollywood has never been short of pretty visual effects.

Have to admit the Major suit does look a bit silly as almost like a fat suit, but I understand that they couldn't have done it any other way without CGI. Whatever, as long as it's a stylistic action flick that doesn't butcher the story it will have met my expectations.

skinnydaddy1said:

So they are crossing SAC with the Movie?? That really does not make sense.... HMmmmmm
I'll still give it a chance....

jmdsays...

The suit looks awesome, nothing fat and bulky about it what soever. At first I thought it was a digital body in the trailers but then adam savage did a whole video on it.

It does not look like it is going to take on either sac or 2nd gig. The storyline that the major was forced to have this done to her is definitely origin story and forked timeline stuff, in fact it appears that she is near one of a kind with her full synthetic body in this version of the world. At the same time section 9 is formed already.

RedSkysays...

The trailer featured Kuze, who was the main antagonist in the 2nd GiG.

This scene is a call back to the original movie but it doesn't mean the story is related.

I'm glad they didn't go the CGI route, just seems kind of off to me.

jmdsaid:

The suit looks awesome, nothing fat and bulky about it what soever. At first I thought it was a digital body in the trailers but then adam savage did a whole video on it.

It does not look like it is going to take on either sac or 2nd gig. The storyline that the major was forced to have this done to her is definitely origin story and forked timeline stuff, in fact it appears that she is near one of a kind with her full synthetic body in this version of the world. At the same time section 9 is formed already.

jmdsays...

Really? That's kuze? But this wasn't part of his storyline. Hmmm... I mean he could be some new character who is also fully cyber which seems to be the rarity in this film. Did you see an cast list to verify the name?

RedSkysays...

IMDB says so. Also here the producer is saying they're mixing in 2nd GIG with the origins story episode from that season. If you've watched it you'll know what I mean:

http://collider.com/ghost-in-the-shell-movie-villain-kuze-michael-pitt/

If they're quoting episode names then they at least familiar with the source material, so that's a plus.

jmdsaid:

Really? That's kuze? But this wasn't part of his storyline. Hmmm... I mean he could be some new character who is also fully cyber which seems to be the rarity in this film. Did you see an cast list to verify the name?

Drachen_Jagersays...

Why must American films explain everything?

What real person would sit across from someone over dinner and explain how their cell phone works, or how their child learned math on an iPad? Why would that change in the future? I hate this American need to assume the audience is stupid and needs to be spoon fed every bit of information.

jmdsays...

In this Ghost in the shell movie, cybernetics are just exploding. The guy on the right is pitching his major cybernetics company and he was showing the forign president on the left that their cyberbrain enhancements allowed a 4 year old to learn how to speak french AS she was singing a french lullaby. Normally this would be nothing in the GitS universe, but in the movie this is cutting edge tech. I actually disliked the lit up wire node going to his brain because cyberbrains were never a "visual" thing, but this movie may be before cyberbrains became so advanced. Infact the black president may not even have a cyberbrain, and this is simply an audio/visual transmitter implant.

The only thing I don't like is this is "too" origin. GitS was awesome because it started you in the future utopia, and then used half of its season of episodes to explain indirectly new technologies and how sociologies have changed. Cyberbrains were very commonplace and full cybernetic bodies were available to anyone who had the money, like rich people and the military. Saddly that means alot of things the tv series would have will not be in the movies because the technologies has not come yet.

however as redsky mentioned, they do seem to be latching on to the source material a lot (and aside from the revised thermocamoflauge suit.. oh and Batou's eye implants are just normal eyes and apparently his iconic lenses are just for show) so I am still hopeful. Oh, ok, one other nitpick. Somehow Kusanagi managed to spend like 10 seconds outside the windows shooting in through multiple windows before crashing through. She has no gear or technique to "stop" from her free fall, the only thing she can do is dive through the window.

Drachen_Jagersaid:

Why must American films explain everything?

What real person would sit across from someone over dinner and explain how their cell phone works, or how their child learned math on an iPad? Why would that change in the future? I hate this American need to assume the audience is stupid and needs to be spoon fed every bit of information.

ChaosEnginesays...

A brief bit of google fu shows that in the anime she's naked? Is there a point to that other than cheap titillation?

I can see where it could add to a feeling of vulnerability, I guess, but it feels like the movie makers are trying to have their cake and eat it.

Anyway, I've never seen the original anime (not a big anime fan), but I thought the suit looked ridiculous in the trailer.

Everything else looked pretty cool, especially the weird spider geisha thing.

RedSkysaid:

Have to admit the Major suit does look a bit silly as almost like a fat suit, but I understand that they couldn't have done it any other way without CGI. Whatever, as long as it's a stylistic action flick that doesn't butcher the story it will have met my expectations.

00Scud00says...

I do not believe she is naked, it's just a skin tight and skin toned outfit, like looking at a Barbie doll really. It could be for titillation or there could be some practical (entirely made up) reason for it. Shirow is also well known for his more erotically themed art as well.

ChaosEnginesaid:

A brief bit of google fu shows that in the anime she's naked? Is there a point to that other than cheap titillation?

I can see where it could add to a feeling of vulnerability, I guess, but it feels like the movie makers are trying to have their cake and eat it.

Anyway, I've never seen the original anime (not a big anime fan), but I thought the suit looked ridiculous in the trailer.

Everything else looked pretty cool, especially the weird spider geisha thing.

jmdsays...

In the anime movie she is naked just like she is in the intro. The thermocamoflauge is part of her skin, hence the need for the visor to cover her eyes so she is covered %100. In the TV series thermocamo can be slandered fatigues as the entire outfit is capable of going invisible without needing to shed a thing. Here it is back to a skin tight suit that they decided not to bother with "well what about the head?" .

00Scud00said:

I do not believe she is naked, it's just a skin tight and skin toned outfit, like looking at a Barbie doll really. It could be for titillation or there could be some practical (entirely made up) reason for it. Shirow is also well known for his more erotically themed art as well.

RedSkysays...

jmd's theory sounds plausible.

I've also heard the interpretation that since she is a full body prosthesis, it is meant to illustrate the detachment she has to her sexuality which sounds plausible although I hate to read too much into literature.

Might just be titillation, Japan is certain not shy about injecting sex into its anime. According to here, the manga series creator had a history of sexualised manga prior to GitS:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/1fl864/tactile_cacti_in_ranime_explains_why_nudity_in/?sort=confidence

ChaosEnginesaid:

A brief bit of google fu shows that in the anime she's naked? Is there a point to that other than cheap titillation?

I can see where it could add to a feeling of vulnerability, I guess, but it feels like the movie makers are trying to have their cake and eat it.

Anyway, I've never seen the original anime (not a big anime fan), but I thought the suit looked ridiculous in the trailer.

Everything else looked pretty cool, especially the weird spider geisha thing.

jmdsays...

Redsky, the body afaik is basic with some mods so the lack of neither region features in the anime movie is because there is nothing there. Also there are some other hints to her complete detachment to sexuality twards males in the anime that I won't spoil here.

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