Ever heard the quote "there are no straight lines in nature" ?

Seriously, what are the chances that random, organic events caused three symmetrical collapses at free fall speed? How can a building collapse in the direction of most resistance (through load bearing columns) especially when it is damaged unevenly by either a fire or a plane strike. You make a cut in a tree and it falls in the direction of the cut. You light a wood framed building on fire and it collapses in the direction of whatever column succumbs to fire first. I'm not an expert but what happened does not make sense.

Again, not saying it was an inside job. I'm just pointing out what seems probable vs improbable in my mind, in the same way that I would point out a straight line in the forest.

@xxovercastxx

I think anyone who is coming across new information (especially something from the internet...) should be viewing it with a filter of critical thinking. His personal beliefs are what motivated him to conduct the experiments - which I don't think anyone can deny the scientific validity of. If he was a neutral party he probably wouldn't have cared enough to spend this much thought and time putting it together. So yes, its unfortunate his personal opinion made it on air along with his very effective experimentation but that is the price you pay for someone who puts the effort into something like this.

Just ignore it and take the video for what it's worth: thermite can cut steel in low quantities.

One thing that keeps repeating in this thread is the idea that planes were a factor. WTC 7 was not hit by a plane and it collapsed symmetrically into it's own footprint. I also see people mentioning Occam's razor, which would be the "simplest, most probable" explanation. I'm sorry but if you are outside and see a steel building collapse at free fall speed, symmetrically, and into it's own footprint are you really going to think,

"Hmm, looks like some burning office furniture must have annihilated that entire building"

or are you going to think,

"Hey look, a controlled demolition"

I think it should be pretty obvious which is the "conspiracy theory" and which is the simpler explanation. The logistics of someone rigging a building really have no bearing on the mechanics of the collapse - that is a separate body of evidence altogether. I'm not saying it was an inside job I'm just saying what it looks like and what is to me the simpler explanation (from a mechanical perspective only). I can't make a clear argument on intention or logistics because honestly, nobody in this thread can be sure what the government is really capable of.

@jwray

WTC 7.

I'm happy for you and imma let you finish but just because you are a physicist doesn't mean you know shit about any of this. There's a lot of people who are a lot smarter than you who have more expertise than "so this one time, I was like totally working with melted aluminum"

http://videosift.com/video/9-11-Blueprint-for-Truth-Compelling-Presentation

@guymontage

Who said you have to be an engineer? What I said is I very much doubt anyone in this thread is qualified to comment on the consequences of a plane hitting a skyscraper. To think you can just waltz in here and quote "Inertia" because you heard it in 8th grade science class is just ridiculous.

What argument is rcyhan making? The guy in the experiment started with the hypothesis "thermite can cut steel" and then conducted an experiment and proved that yes, it can cut steel. What is not scientific about that? As far as I understand it, that is the exact implementation of the scientific method. The fact that the conclusion is "widely known" (rychans words) has no bearing on this video. Clearly, it is not "widely known" if a mainstream television show is conducting experiments and concludes that thermite can not, in fact, cut steel.

Everyone on the internet thinks they are an expert, but who in this thread even has a college degree much less one in civil engineering? Even if someone has a degree in civil engineering who has the experience with skyscrapers or even the particular design of this tower? It's retarded to think anyone here is anything even resembling an expert on the physics of this particular situation.

Why does it have to be a controlled explosion (I'm not saying it is or it isn't). The government is far more organized than it would have you believe. You really think four planes would be able to leave their flight plans and crash into buildings like this? Get real. Even if the government didn't sabotage it they could have easily let it happen because it was overwhelming beneficial to their interests.

As a thought experiment, name a single negative effect from 9/11 (from a governmental perspective). And no, loss of a few thousand lives is not an answer...

There is nothing to gain from preventing this. At the very least you should be asking yourself "how could this possibly happen with the infrastructure in place." Even if the government in no way facilitated these events, you think it was completely blind that it was possible or even likely?

You guys blasting duckman, etc. are just pathetic. Who in here is saying the government did it? Anyone with half a brain can see that the circumstances surrounding this event do not make sense. Skepticism is a virtue, not something that should be looked at with derision.

If you are stupid enough to believe "plane hit tower, tower fall" why don't you just bend over and shove your shares of Goldman Sachs up your ass? You aren't an engineer, you don't understand forces no matter how much you quote "Newtons laws." Go to sleep. Just watch TV and quietly enjoy your 9-5 job at *insert corporation.*

Your life is meaningless.

Watched it all the way through. He definitely came across as an asshole in the first few episodes, going into it with a lot of preconceived notions. I do think it's worth it to see through to the end. After his crack and heroin use, I think he came out with a different perspective.

When the politician at the end was talking about "ending homelessness" I think what he really meant was just getting them out of the streets (and out of sight) not actually helping anyone improve their situation.

Gotta give it to him...he really did put his life on the line sleeping in the streets, diving through dumpsters getting his hands cut up and bleeding, buying intravenous drugs from a sketchy alleyway...

@Darkhand

This is why I don't spend much time arguing on forums anymore. Invariably, there are people with such ridiculous, insane opinions it becomes a waste of time to even acknowledge them (irony).

Gaussian curve, enough said. Some humans are flawed beyond repair.

You would wish such a thing on someone? From what I can see, democracy doesn't have the best track record especially here in the US in the last few decades. Just what they need, a McDonald's at every corner and a Haliburton running the government.

How about a prosperous, fair, and just government and leave it at that? No need to impart (force) our flawed values on the rest of world; lest you forget it's the democratic US that is backing the very authoritarian dictator Egypt is revolting against...

Democracy is a plague, and this is one of it's many petulant symptoms. Mubarak is a puppet, installed and supported with the help of the US...learn it for yourself instead of parroting the blind patriotism of your beloved "democracy."

I bet it sounds noble of you to those who don't know better, though.

>> ^Ti_Moth:

Good luck people of Egypt I wish you a prosperous, secular, fair and democratic government. (You will need the luck).

So it's been two years. I hope everyone is doing well. A little older, a little wiser? Better, faster, stronger, smarter?

It looks like @NetRunner and @dystopianfuturetoday are still up to their old haunts. Learn anything in the last two years? History impart any lessons? A lot has happened since then. War, recession, inflation, destruction, pollution, the devaluing of the dollar.

Maybe meet up in another two years to see if anything more has changed? That is, if it is even possible. By then, we may have already lost net neutrality and the world wide web will a corporatized splash screen. "Choose your website from the following options." Worse yet, this site could be bought out by DynCorp and transformed into another corporate puppet ala Digg.com.

That is, if any of us even have jobs or savings to pay the internet bill. What with the massive inflation from the multi-trillion dollar "bailouts," handouts, QE3, QE4, QE5 etc. Ever pay attention to your supermarket bill over the years? What will the dollar be worth in two years if it has already decreased in value by upwards of 50% in the last few years? How about employment after the looming double-dip, recession, or second great depression. How many of the posters here will even have jobs anymore?

One thing is for certain, there is nothing special about American labor. China is in the lead in education, America is barely in the top 20. The average salary in America is somewhere in the $40,000 range. In China, less than $7000. I hope you've enjoyed the run while it lasted. Be prepared to swallow your pride along with your massive pay-cut as you realize the only thing sustaining this country is reckless consumerism. What do they tell you every Black Friday? Spend, Spend, Spend? Buy what you can't afford so you can be paid what you don't deserve. Nothing exists in nature "above unity," not even the American dream.

Forget the economy, what will our government be like in 2 years? Already, we sell little boys to afghan leaders and our presidential candidates threaten journalists with murder. Perhaps worse is all of our presidential candidates are identical. "Do you want the red or blue pill? They both taste the same." We torture our own citizens with solitary confinement for 6 months without trail. We've killed over 1 million civilians in Iraq, 15% of the way to our own holocaust. Corporations lay waste to our environment with no consequence. When they commit fraud, we give them billion dollar bonuses instead of criminal charges.

The internet is the primary source of dissent and "free thought" in the modern era. Two things diametrically opposed to corporate and governmental dictatorship. You forget because your mind doesn't think on large time scales, but the internet is just a baby. How long has it really been around, 20 years? That's not even old enough to drink alcohol. You've already seen what governments can do to the internet in China. You've already seen what corporations can do to the internet in Canada. How long before that becomes the norm and not the exception? You take it for granted what you have, then they turn your head while they steal it piece-by-piece. How often did you turn your head, when it wasn't yours they took?

"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Yeah, things have been going quite well "as is." Keep you finger's crossed for the next new political "savior" and I'll see you in another 2 years...maybe.

how many of you stopped using amazon/paypal/visa/mastercard?

alright then.

Interesting, tell me please who you voted for this week? If you think the democratic party hasn't been bought and sold by corporations a hundred times over, you are quite delusional indeed...

Let me tell you as an insider, we couldn't be more amused that the internet is filled with the inane babblings of people who think corporations care whether a "democrat" or "republican" is in power. We could care less who you vote for, as long as you believe it makes a difference. Humans are bought and sold as easy as livestock. We don't need to buy your party, when we can buy you. We control how you spend your time, what you see and hear, what you think you know about the world, even what you want and hope for in life. We control what you eat when you're hungry, what you drink when your thirsty, what you brush your teeth with before you go to bed at night. Your life is nothing but a series of false choices. Coke or Pepsi. You really think it makes a difference to us? You have been helplessly brainwashed. You are nothing but one of millions; silent, droning workers who line our pockets and support our lifestyle.

Thanks for voting!
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

You tell me. How does corporate cock taste?
>> ^imstellar28:
If corporations are evil for "buying" elections, what are the people who "sold" their votes?

If corporations are evil for "buying" elections, what are the people who "sold" their votes? Corporations aren't the ones marking the ballots, citizens are.

where were the citizen volunteers for free fire protection for all to save this guys house? oh yeah, they were all on the internet arguing with people about how someone else should risk their lives to put out fires for free.